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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:19 PM Dec 2020

CBS: human remains found near site of Nashville explosion





Catherine Herridge
@CBS_Herridge
#Nashville

Law enforcement sources tell @CBSNews they have found what appear to be human remains near the site of the explosion. They have not indicated whether remains are from someone connected to explosion or from innocent victim + intelligence source tells #CBS
@PatMilton14
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CBS: human remains found near site of Nashville explosion (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Dec 2020 OP
Do we know how many people were in the van as it approached? DURHAM D Dec 2020 #1
It was actually a large RV, not a van. Haven't heard reports about any people connected Mrs. Overall Dec 2020 #2
I believe this case will be solved within 24hrs. It may be already. MerryBlooms Dec 2020 #3
There's a lot of folks who know what they're doing when it comes to redstateblues Dec 2020 #4
For sure and with all the cameras and technology, they probably have a name already. MerryBlooms Dec 2020 #8
The hard part is already done, disassembly of the vehicles and contacting the manufacturers LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #56
I have that same feeling, that it'll be fairly quick. cwydro Dec 2020 #9
I think you may be correct. This seems very idiosyncratic-- not the sort of thing we've seen anneboleyn Dec 2020 #10
Most of the witnesses are saying they heard the gunshots, but not the recorded warning MerryBlooms Dec 2020 #21
Agree..listened to a couple of briefings and seems they have some credible leads Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #11
God, I sure hope you are right. Vivienne235729 Dec 2020 #12
I'd guess this was just some unlucky soul. I agree they may just be monitoring chatter underpants Dec 2020 #20
There were police officers all over the area at the time trying to evacuate MerryBlooms Dec 2020 #24
Okay. I just came into this story underpants Dec 2020 #26
Ha! No worries. MerryBlooms Dec 2020 #31
I watched both and second your recommendation! hamsterjill Dec 2020 #54
Agree. I can't imagine anyone would have been near the RV, unobserved, at that point. Chemisse Dec 2020 #42
The scary thing is, in Silicon Valley Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #30
Why is that scary? intheflow Dec 2020 #61
It would also be scary Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #69
I hope you're right MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #32
Sometimes the surveillance state works in our favor. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2020 #47
It's almost 24 hours later Polybius Dec 2020 #67
redneck maga suicide bomber? NightWatcher Dec 2020 #5
"Human remains," not " a body" dawg day Dec 2020 #6
Me too. Or someone from the group responsible for this. Vivienne235729 Dec 2020 #13
There's not going to be a whole body if it was anywhere near that explosion underpants Dec 2020 #17
If I had to guess I'd say it's someone connected to the bombing Docreed2003 Dec 2020 #7
Which might indicate a Qanon nutter. We will see I suppose but that is such an odd place to attack anneboleyn Dec 2020 #14
Correct Docreed2003 Dec 2020 #15
They think covid is deliberately spread by 5G networks. tblue37 Dec 2020 #68
I'd guess a homeless person in the wrong place wrong time underpants Dec 2020 #16
I'm thinking a suicide. NutmegYankee Dec 2020 #18
Definitely a possibility underpants Dec 2020 #22
Perhaps so Docreed2003 Dec 2020 #25
I'm confused ... did this person call in a bomb threat well ahead of time or something? mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #34
So apparently people heard "shots fired" about an hour beforehand Docreed2003 Dec 2020 #36
So the cops showed up and evacuated people because of some gunshots? mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #41
Yeah bro...super crazy Docreed2003 Dec 2020 #43
I'm not sure if the perpetrator called it in or not MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #38
NPR is reporting that there is substantial wnylib Dec 2020 #37
I think AT&T was definitely the target Docreed2003 Dec 2020 #40
I'm remembering the recent plot wnylib Dec 2020 #45
Interesting that it seems like CNN is owned by AT&T IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #49
You might be right MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #57
I hope it's not a trail run for something bigger, and... AmyStrange Dec 2020 #19
I kind of expected they might find this. Chichiri Dec 2020 #23
Did they find shreds of Dockers and a Fred Perry shirt? C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #27
Maybe, what appears to be, could be...nothing confirmed from news conference Baclava Dec 2020 #28
Perhaps this was the act of a desperate despairing person. MarcA Dec 2020 #29
I'm starting to think that's a possibility. wnylib Dec 2020 #39
None of this makes sense. 634-5789 Dec 2020 #33
It makes perfect sense orangecrush Dec 2020 #35
How does this make sense exactly? mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #44
Agree. This seems very odd. Mrs. Overall Dec 2020 #46
A lot of planning went into this. Some pieces make sense. Some don't quite fit yet. paleotn Dec 2020 #48
My thoughts exactly. orangecrush Dec 2020 #53
If you are militia whackos orangecrush Dec 2020 #55
Didn't Teddy live in a tiny, remote cabin in the woods, alone? mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #59
True orangecrush Dec 2020 #60
Terrorists often go after soft targets npk Dec 2020 #63
Crazy is as crazy does. IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #50
It makes perfect sense if the bomber(s) intheflow Dec 2020 #62
When the police were assisting the evacuation of the area, were they able to see inside the RV? Mr. Ected Dec 2020 #51
I don't know MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #58
Imagine that a serial killer used the blast JanMichael Dec 2020 #52
There's much easier ways to dispose of bodies than this ... mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #64
Yes, providing DNA samples directly to the FBI and ATF, along with all the Hortensis Dec 2020 #66
Crazy this is not... PCIntern Dec 2020 #65

DURHAM D

(33,054 posts)
1. Do we know how many people were in the van as it approached?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:21 PM
Dec 2020

Do we know if anyone was in the van when it exploded?

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
2. It was actually a large RV, not a van. Haven't heard reports about any people connected
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:22 PM
Dec 2020

to the vehicle.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
4. There's a lot of folks who know what they're doing when it comes to
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:26 PM
Dec 2020

figuring out stuff like this.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
56. The hard part is already done, disassembly of the vehicles and contacting the manufacturers
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 09:13 PM
Dec 2020

and then asking the DMV who owns this VIN.

anneboleyn

(5,626 posts)
10. I think you may be correct. This seems very idiosyncratic-- not the sort of thing we've seen
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:36 PM
Dec 2020

from international terrorists like isis etc or the horrific OKC bomb. IF the intent was to strike the AT&T building, which some have been suggesting on Reddit and du, then the perp may be (or have been if this involves a suicide) a Qanon nutter. The recorded message blasting from the RV was very unusual as far as most of these bombings go (though I don’t know if that was actually intended to avoid casualties as just blasting “evacuate immediately” in such a chaotic manner from some sort of sound system rigged up in an RV is not going to result in people leaving their endangered homes or businesses in an orderly fashion...nor is it anything like the calls to alert law enforcement that one would see in the old days of the ira or other similar groups)

MerryBlooms

(12,248 posts)
21. Most of the witnesses are saying they heard the gunshots, but not the recorded warning
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:00 PM
Dec 2020

to evacuate. Some victims were hunkered down in their apartments, and only left when police came and told them to get out. Some ran after the gunshots stopped, but never heard the bomb warning. The bomber obviously didn't want a mass casualty event, but had it not been for police officers, there would have been many injured or dead. This freak bomber, if still alive, is probably patting themselves on the back for saving so many lives.

underpants

(196,498 posts)
20. I'd guess this was just some unlucky soul. I agree they may just be monitoring chatter
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:56 PM
Dec 2020

to see what they can pick. Get new leads.

I’d bet this was a homeless person just in the wrong spot. Ignored the warning because it sounds so ridiculous anyway.

With that little traffic and a vehicle what would stand out in any urban situation I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t a data mining situation now. See where activities pick up on line. Let them make connections for you.

MerryBlooms

(12,248 posts)
24. There were police officers all over the area at the time trying to evacuate
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:07 PM
Dec 2020

residents. The bomb squad was in the area, as were other first responders. No, it's not a random homeless person. It's either the bomber, first responder or resident, remains.

underpants

(196,498 posts)
26. Okay. I just came into this story
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:11 PM
Dec 2020

We’ve been busy all day ignoring pretty much everything.

I highly recommend the Christmas Chronicles with Kurt Russell.

MerryBlooms

(12,248 posts)
31. Ha! No worries.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:26 PM
Dec 2020

Hope you've had a wonderful day. My 77 y/o sister doesn't do mornings, even Christmas, so I'm just getting things going here. I've been watching murder mysteries and keeping track of news.

hamsterjill

(17,577 posts)
54. I watched both and second your recommendation!
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 09:08 PM
Dec 2020

I actually liked them both very much.

Merry Christmas!!

Chemisse

(31,348 posts)
42. Agree. I can't imagine anyone would have been near the RV, unobserved, at that point.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:55 PM
Dec 2020

It seems likely it was someone who was inside the RV at the time of the explosion.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
30. The scary thing is, in Silicon Valley
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:26 PM
Dec 2020

even in upper-scale locales, there are streets lined with RVs that people are living in. RVs parked almost anywhere wouldn't look out of place or unusual.

intheflow

(30,179 posts)
61. Why is that scary?
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:08 PM
Dec 2020

This could have been done with a Ford Econoline van, a pick-up with a cap on the back, or even a strategically-packed Ford Pinto. The vehicle of choice is not the problem.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
69. It would also be scary
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:44 PM
Dec 2020

if someone parked a rental truck at the front door of a business and walked away from it. Now all large vehicles will be suspect to much of the general public. I'll bet right now cops are checking out every large parked vehicle in the city of Nashville with bomb sniffing dogs.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
47. Sometimes the surveillance state works in our favor.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 08:34 PM
Dec 2020

That’s what I tell loudmouth trumpanzees with their civil war talk - wait until an up-armored Humber busts through your trailer home door.

underpants

(196,498 posts)
17. There's not going to be a whole body if it was anywhere near that explosion
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:53 PM
Dec 2020

Like within a half block.

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
7. If I had to guess I'd say it's someone connected to the bombing
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:30 PM
Dec 2020

Whoever did this went out of their way to avoid casualties and police had the area pretty well clear of people when the bombing occurred.

Edit to add: this, to me, was pretty clearly an attack on the AT&T building itself

anneboleyn

(5,626 posts)
14. Which might indicate a Qanon nutter. We will see I suppose but that is such an odd place to attack
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:43 PM
Dec 2020

that I wonder if the bomber is a qanon type (they have a series of bizarre conspiracies that link modern telecommunications with all of the other Qanon legends — I can’t remember how all of it supposedly links together)

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
15. Correct
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:46 PM
Dec 2020

It certainly could be a Q nutter, but it could be any terrorist who wanted to disrupt a telecommunications network. It certainly worked. Emergency Services lines are out all over middle TN and BNA grounded flights because of it as well.

underpants

(196,498 posts)
16. I'd guess a homeless person in the wrong place wrong time
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:51 PM
Dec 2020

The area looks a lot like parts of Richmond. Downtown - restaurants - renovated buildings into apartments. There are always homeless people here and there. Sleep in this doorway or have a spot in say an alley.

NutmegYankee

(16,478 posts)
18. I'm thinking a suicide.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:54 PM
Dec 2020

Some nut who couldn’t take their conspiracies not going to plan.

underpants

(196,498 posts)
22. Definitely a possibility
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:00 PM
Dec 2020

Everyone will know their name and they avoid really hurting anyone else.

If it wasn’t suicide, this could be a data mining operation for authorities. Someone is going to crow about this in some way. It could lead to making connections otherwise hard to find.

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
25. Perhaps so
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:08 PM
Dec 2020

But this RV was blasting out a countdown and Metro PD had the area pretty well cleaned out.

There is a not insignificant homeless population downtown though, so it could be.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
34. I'm confused ... did this person call in a bomb threat well ahead of time or something?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:34 PM
Dec 2020

Just kinda catching up on this story.

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
36. So apparently people heard "shots fired" about an hour beforehand
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:41 PM
Dec 2020

Then this RV started blasting out a message with a creepy ass voice warning people to evacuate and it did that until the explosion.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
41. So the cops showed up and evacuated people because of some gunshots?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:52 PM
Dec 2020

That seems odd.

Or did they do so because of the RV blasting the message, and if so, why didn't they stop the RV?

Decided it was safer to evacuate a bunch of people than confront the RV?

It's all quite odd.

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
43. Yeah bro...super crazy
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:55 PM
Dec 2020

I know folks who live in that area around second avenue that evacuated when the warnings started the countdown at 15mins. It's all super weird bro. Weird, well orchestrated, and targeted

MustLoveBeagles

(16,409 posts)
38. I'm not sure if the perpetrator called it in or not
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:51 PM
Dec 2020

I know that at least one witness called it in to authorities when they heard the gun shots about an hour beforehand. Very few in the area heard the recorded message coming from the RV prior to the explosion. First responders were evacuating the immediate area when the bomb went off.

wnylib

(26,016 posts)
37. NPR is reporting that there is substantial
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:50 PM
Dec 2020

damage to AT&T. 911 and other emergency systems are down in the area and service is affected in parts of Kentucky, too.

I'm wondering now if this was a suicide. But why not do it in an isolated area if the person did not want to harm anyone else? Unless it was a suicide attack on AT&T?

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
40. I think AT&T was definitely the target
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:52 PM
Dec 2020

Who knows though on motivation! You're correct on emergency service lines; they are down for much of the midstate right now and apparently parts of Alabama and KY. I know some folks with landlines that are down in the area as well

wnylib

(26,016 posts)
45. I'm remembering the recent plot
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:57 PM
Dec 2020

to take out power stations and wondering if there is a connection. However, this bombing seems to be well planned and executed while the power station plot was a bunch of teens planning to use rifles. Big difference in sophistication.

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
49. Interesting that it seems like CNN is owned by AT&T
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 08:42 PM
Dec 2020

Cable News Network (CNN) is an American news-based pay television channel owned by CNN Worldwide, a unit of the WarnerMedia News & Sports division of AT&T's WarnerMedia. It was founded in 1980 by American media proprietor Ted Turner and Reese Schonfeld as a 24-hour cable news channel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN

Too early to tell, but there could be a connection.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
19. I hope it's not a trail run for something bigger, and...
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:54 PM
Dec 2020

-

I hope LE is taking THAT into consideration also.
===============

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
23. I kind of expected they might find this.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:01 PM
Dec 2020

From what I've read, police were first alerted to the area by the sound of gunshots at 5:30am, and the bomb went off an hour later at 6:30am.

C_U_L8R

(49,384 posts)
27. Did they find shreds of Dockers and a Fred Perry shirt?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:14 PM
Dec 2020

It would not surprise if one of these trumpist bozos accidentally blew themselves up.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
29. Perhaps this was the act of a desperate despairing person.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:25 PM
Dec 2020

Sometimes they do spectacular suicides especially if they have a grievance.

634-5789

(4,675 posts)
33. None of this makes sense.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:29 PM
Dec 2020

RV, recording warning of a blast, the time fof day, in a near empty area, what could be the reasoning for this? Makes no sense.

orangecrush

(30,261 posts)
35. It makes perfect sense
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:39 PM
Dec 2020

They knocked out 911 and cell phone service in parts of 2 states.

Who ever did this put a lot of money and planning into it.

Hopefully security is being ramped up at all communication hubs across the country, but with Doofus in charge, they will probably have to work around the traitor and his lackeys to protect the public.
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
44. How does this make sense exactly?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:57 PM
Dec 2020

Knocking out 911 is going to result in people dying.

So ... this person wants people to die of random emergencies, but not due to being bombed ...

And this makes sense becaaaaauuuuuse?

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
48. A lot of planning went into this. Some pieces make sense. Some don't quite fit yet.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 08:36 PM
Dec 2020

The time and place, recordings played and the size of the blast show there was significant planning involved. The reddish building is an old telecom building that still houses some communications infrastructure. The size of the blast wasn't from some random wankers making black powder pipe bombs. Probably a significant amount of ammonium nitrate, thus the RV and not a car.

A warning, perhaps? That they can hit infrastructure and kill people...if they want to? To me that points to someone domestic with domestic sensibilities about collateral damage. Al Qaeda and ISIS don't do warnings and collateral damage is a feature, not a bug for them. The remains may simply be someone in the wrong place at the wrong time A number of downtown apartments in that area. And a number of homeless people wander Nashville's streets. Maybe the bomber in some bizarre suicide. Like a quarter finished jigsaw puzzle.

orangecrush

(30,261 posts)
55. If you are militia whackos
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 09:09 PM
Dec 2020


Planning on raising hell in an area, having communications down would be a huge advantage.

These idiots should keep in mind how the unabomber spent the remainder of his life after capture
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
59. Didn't Teddy live in a tiny, remote cabin in the woods, alone?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:33 PM
Dec 2020

Supermax was probably not all that different from how he lived life on the outside, and someone cooked for him.

Course, that life is ... not for everyone.

npk

(3,701 posts)
63. Terrorists often go after soft targets
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:31 PM
Dec 2020

as a pre-cursor to a larger planned attack. Network of cell towers outside AT&T building in Nashville would not have been seen as a major target of terrorists and would have few if any security protocols in place. The terrorists or group of terrorists may have wanted to see what the aftermath of going after a soft target might look like. Targeting cell towers at a regional hub could give them information that could be used to plan something much bigger in the future. They could have also wanted to see how much damage could be done from this attack if again they might be planning something on a larger scale in the future.

Remember the first attack on the World Trade Center was a small bomb placed in a Van. It didn't bring down the building obviously, but it gave the terrorist some idea of what kind of devastation could be caused by a bomb in a Van.

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
50. Crazy is as crazy does.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 08:44 PM
Dec 2020

Crazy never made sense to me neither, but just look at the last four years. It is what it is.

intheflow

(30,179 posts)
62. It makes perfect sense if the bomber(s)
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:15 PM
Dec 2020

wanted to target property and/or infrastructure. Christmas Day brings maximum news coverage while minimizing possible deaths. This could just as easily be an anticapitalism protest as a Qanon attack.

Mr. Ected

(9,714 posts)
51. When the police were assisting the evacuation of the area, were they able to see inside the RV?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 08:55 PM
Dec 2020

I wonder if this was some sort of suicide or murder/suicide and the perp was in the RV.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
52. Imagine that a serial killer used the blast
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 08:55 PM
Dec 2020

To throw off being caught for being a serial killer. The remains are that of 6 victims not one. Not a political act but a weird fetish crime!

Is this Halloween????

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
64. There's much easier ways to dispose of bodies than this ...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:37 PM
Dec 2020

That crossed my mind too, but I think it's highly unlikely after some pondering.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. Yes, providing DNA samples directly to the FBI and ATF, along with all the
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:52 PM
Dec 2020

evidence trails of their very elaborate demolition, would probably not be the best way to evade capture.

Occam's Razor also comes to mind.

PCIntern

(28,369 posts)
65. Crazy this is not...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:43 PM
Dec 2020

This is part of a well-thought out plan.

Those creeps who wanted to kidnap the governor of Michigan were going to blow a bridge to slow police pursuit. Not everything has to be spur of the moment, line gunman stuff. There are conspiracies afoot.

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