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pink

(532 posts)
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:22 PM Dec 2020

Is it just me or does someone else believe that...

Trump accepted bribes for many of the pardons he has so far given. He is such a despicable character that I wouldn't put anything past him. I also cant believe that all the executions that he has been pushing for over the last few months hasn't been more publicized. How can he pardon murderers (eg Blackwater) yet have all these executions of people whose crimes weren't as bad. This guy needs to be facing a judge and jury in court.

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Is it just me or does someone else believe that... (Original Post) pink Dec 2020 OP
yes, I believe he received something in exchange for pardons northoftheborder Dec 2020 #1
Money. DarleenMB Dec 2020 #12
Some things are pretty obvious. Baitball Blogger Dec 2020 #17
Yes he is transactional Captain Zero Dec 2020 #28
Oh, yeah.... Karadeniz Dec 2020 #2
Yes. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #3
Ka-ching! 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2020 #4
My father (who flipped from R to D during Trump's term) TXPaganBanker Dec 2020 #5
That's a little out there, but I would believe... LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #31
There is something going on in the Sahara EndlessWire Dec 2020 #37
His own private army? Who would they be? wnylib Dec 2020 #47
I have no doubt that that is going on but without access to the NATIONAL TREASURY how will he..... usaf-vet Dec 2020 #39
Good point, and somewhat reassuring. wnylib Dec 2020 #48
Not just you matt819 Dec 2020 #6
Same. Trump does nothing for free. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2020 #40
Blackwater security perhaps? quakerboy Dec 2020 #7
This Tweet is accurate then StClone Dec 2020 #15
my first thought housecat Dec 2020 #42
No question. Squinch Dec 2020 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Dec 2020 #9
Some squid for the pro? Oh yeah, those tentacles are everywhere. Mob Boss. nt Hekate Dec 2020 #10
No doubt whatsoever. Dirty Don the sociopathic loser will do anything ... payoffs, bribes RKP5637 Dec 2020 #11
It's not just you. Not by a long shot. calimary Dec 2020 #13
no doubt jcgoldie Dec 2020 #14
What other reason could there be for the pardon for the Medicare fraud guy? SunSeeker Dec 2020 #16
I would expect nothing less. dchill Dec 2020 #18
"Bribes" are for the little people. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2020 #19
"Get me out of jail or I'm gonna tell them everything I know about you that they don't know yet." mtnsnake Dec 2020 #20
He is the quid pro quo president after all. nt. Dem2theMax Dec 2020 #21
think hue of skin..he is a disgusting pig who is racist dawn5651 Dec 2020 #22
Oh for certain ... we don't believe it, we KNOW it FakeNoose Dec 2020 #23
Someday, I will come to you for a favor......... Mopar151 Dec 2020 #24
I think mgardener Dec 2020 #25
agreement marieo1 Dec 2020 #26
He would never deliver a pardon free of charge. Probably $1 million a pop, minimum. Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #27
lol housecat Dec 2020 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #29
He's not only accepting bribes for pardons,... LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #30
How could one believe otherwise? relayerbob Dec 2020 #32
Trump pardoned people who could testify against him. They didn't testify in the first place because Nitram Dec 2020 #33
I'm with you 100% duforsure Dec 2020 #34
For his co-conspirators, it was silence, not cash Thunderbeast Dec 2020 #35
Isn't that one of the reasons Blagojevich was impeached, Totally Tunsie Dec 2020 #36
K&R Blue Owl Dec 2020 #38
I wonder if some unmarked enforcement were Blackwater BrightKnight Dec 2020 #41
well, this loser llashram Dec 2020 #44
QUID PRO QUO is Donald's middle name....... secondwind Dec 2020 #45
I wouldn't be surprised if he had the kiddies hawking them on the street like cups of lemonade. Chemisse Dec 2020 #46
The AG that Biden finally decides to run the DoJ Mr. Evil Dec 2020 #49
I think that evidence of some of that having happened becoming public is all but inevitable. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #50

northoftheborder

(7,637 posts)
1. yes, I believe he received something in exchange for pardons
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:25 PM
Dec 2020

Could have been votes, could have been witholding information, could have been money

Baitball Blogger

(52,346 posts)
17. Some things are pretty obvious.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:16 PM
Dec 2020

Michael Flynn jump started the attempt to establish martial law. That was the payback.

Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
28. Yes he is transactional
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:40 AM
Dec 2020

He has a power to give pardons. He expects something in return.

He did not get black votes. He will execute as many black death row inmates as he can.

Enough people did not vote for him. Screw you, no stimulus check.

sheshe2

(97,630 posts)
3. Yes.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:29 PM
Dec 2020

Trump has never done one thing out of the goodness of his heart...he has never had one.

TXPaganBanker

(210 posts)
5. My father (who flipped from R to D during Trump's term)
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:34 PM
Dec 2020

Firmly believes that Trump released the Blackwater Four in trade for facilitating Biden's assassination. Trump has made several references to Biden being taken out on his 3rd day in office.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
31. That's a little out there, but I would believe...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:53 AM
Dec 2020

that Trump pardoned those killers to try to curry favor with the military. (They were all former military before joining Blackwater.)

He still wants the military to back him if he tries some bullshit like Michael Flynn is suggesting.

The irony of that is, I'm sure most military personnel are disgusted with the crimes of those pardoned.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
37. There is something going on in the Sahara
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:13 AM
Dec 2020

and remember, Blackwater got a contract for something in Africa. Nobody is discussing this yet. I think trump has his own private Army going on.

wnylib

(26,016 posts)
47. His own private army? Who would they be?
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 08:47 PM
Dec 2020

Are you suggesting Blackwater, or whatever name they go by now?

usaf-vet

(7,811 posts)
39. I have no doubt that that is going on but without access to the NATIONAL TREASURY how will he.....
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 06:56 AM
Dec 2020

..... continue to finance them?

wnylib

(26,016 posts)
48. Good point, and somewhat reassuring.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 08:49 PM
Dec 2020

Only somewhat because there might be someone with enough money who would like to support Trump. Some individual, group, or nation.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
6. Not just you
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:35 PM
Dec 2020

There’s a reason trump has set up thousands of LLCs. Can’t follow the money.

I have no doubt every single pardon was paid for.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
40. Same. Trump does nothing for free.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 07:11 AM
Dec 2020

Every pardon he gave--bought & paid for. Every contract he had a hand in awarding went to whomever agreed to the biggest kickbacks to him. Every chance he's has to sell favor and influence, he's done it. He's as guilty as they come.

quakerboy

(14,868 posts)
7. Blackwater security perhaps?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:36 PM
Dec 2020

Trumps gotta be worried about payback from the us Intel services for his betrayals and russian services for his failures

Response to pink (Original post)

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
11. No doubt whatsoever. Dirty Don the sociopathic loser will do anything ... payoffs, bribes
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:58 PM
Dec 2020

whatever.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
13. It's not just you. Not by a long shot.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:12 PM
Dec 2020

I wouldn't put ANYTHING past him by now. Including something like this.

He doesn't give anything away for free. There's always some sort of "value" exchanged. Some string attached. Someone's mouth remaining closed. I think that's why Paul Manafort stayed mum. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd worked that one out, early-on. He knew he'd get a pardon.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
16. What other reason could there be for the pardon for the Medicare fraud guy?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:15 PM
Dec 2020

Not part of Trump’s inner circle, not involved in the Russia scandal, they don't even appear to have met before. But the guy does have a lot of money from a lifetime of grift, and a penchant for bribery.

Philip Esformes was a former Miami Beach healthcare mogul convicted last year of playing a central role in one of the nation’s biggest Medicare fraud cases and using his ill-gotten millions to pay bribes for favors, engage in money laundering and other crimes. Trump commuted his 20-year sentence.  https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article248044835.html

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
20. "Get me out of jail or I'm gonna tell them everything I know about you that they don't know yet."
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:27 PM
Dec 2020

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
23. Oh for certain ... we don't believe it, we KNOW it
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:54 PM
Dec 2020

Chump is the most corrupt president ever in our history.

Some people on DU dispute whether he's the WORST president. But nobody disputes that he's the most corrupt ever. He will sell anything and everything - or else he'll steal it now and sell it later when nobody's looking. Also - he's got other people doing this same including his own children and son-in-law.



Mopar151

(10,348 posts)
24. Someday, I will come to you for a favor.........
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:11 AM
Dec 2020

His Plan C.3 may be a safe harbor in the Persian Gulf. Having Blackwater around for facilitating fuckery? Sure, it's a big swamp, what the hell.....

mgardener

(2,360 posts)
25. I think
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:16 AM
Dec 2020

They were rewarded for their silence.
But since they cannot plead the fifth anymore, it should get interesting!

Irish_Dem

(81,271 posts)
27. He would never deliver a pardon free of charge. Probably $1 million a pop, minimum.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:32 AM
Dec 2020

Ask Jared, he probably set up a Pardon shell company.

Response to pink (Original post)

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
30. He's not only accepting bribes for pardons,...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:49 AM
Dec 2020

he's been accepting bribes for political favors from corporations and heads of state for the past four years. "I'd like you to do me a favor though."
I have no doubt that Trump was issuing Executive Orders and guiding U.S. foreign policy based on how much cash he's received under the table.

If they haven't been expunged and erased by now, every single phone call from the Oval Office needs to be assessed by an independent counsel, and every Trump bank account, domestic and off shore, needs to be gone over with a fine toothed comb.

Nitram

(27,749 posts)
33. Trump pardoned people who could testify against him. They didn't testify in the first place because
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:57 AM
Dec 2020

they expected a pardon from him. No need for a bribe in this quid pro quo.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
34. I'm with you 100%
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:57 AM
Dec 2020

And he uses many methods getting the money, one being them giving campaign PAC contributions using numerous sources to hide it. He doesn't do anything without some kind of a payoff for himself.

Thunderbeast

(3,819 posts)
35. For his co-conspirators, it was silence, not cash
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:09 AM
Dec 2020

We are entering the fifth year of this conspiracy, and the pardons are part of the ongoing obstruction of justice. Pardons granted with corrupt intent as part of an on-going conspiracy do not enjoy un-restrained Presidential privilege (as some have postulated).

While the pardons apply to the underlying charges, the conspiracy to obstruct justice is alive and well. That crime is, and will continue to be chargable.

Totally Tunsie

(11,852 posts)
36. Isn't that one of the reasons Blagojevich was impeached,
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:36 AM
Dec 2020

tried, and sentenced to 14 years in prison?

Remember...tRump commuted Blagojevich's prison sentence. Blagojevich was released, having served about eight years of his 14-year sentence.

BrightKnight

(3,684 posts)
41. I wonder if some unmarked enforcement were Blackwater
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 10:00 AM
Dec 2020

or whatever they call themselves now. Blackwater can send the message that they take care of their own. It would not be the first time Blackwater has worked as domestic mercenaries.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
44. well, this loser
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:42 PM
Dec 2020

needs 450,000,000 that we know of. It's coming due soon. His base it seems is being continually fleeced for that money. Also, these are the known loans coming due. He probably has some kneecap(his kneecaps)loans out there that Jarad and Ivanka grifted people/organizations for while being his 'advisors' travelling all over the world 'selling' the WH brand to cover some of those trump family loans. Clothes, perfumes and only God knows what else. One report penned this amount

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/14/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-revenue-income-2018

As a vet, the story of the people killed by the pardoned mercenaries of Blackwater saddened and sickened me. The child killed with his father running to see if he was safe who opened the bullet-riddled car door and his son fell out spilling his brains out on his fathers' feet.

And who can forget the 'dark prince' Stephen Miller? He set up immigration policies for trump. Cages, the kidnapping of children who were incarcerated away from their parents. Hundreds who probably are never going to be reunited with family. Yep, good old Stephen's handiwork. And I'm sure there are hundreds if not thousands of stories like this from within his administrations 'appointees' ruling the little fiefdoms. These last 4 years have truly has been been an unprecedented clusterfuck of biblical proportions

Chemisse

(31,348 posts)
46. I wouldn't be surprised if he had the kiddies hawking them on the street like cups of lemonade.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 07:02 PM
Dec 2020

Mr. Evil

(3,457 posts)
49. The AG that Biden finally decides to run the DoJ
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 09:01 PM
Dec 2020

must be a ruthless bulldog with an unwaivering lust for justice and the rule of law.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
50. I think that evidence of some of that having happened becoming public is all but inevitable.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 10:42 PM
Dec 2020

My main curiosity is how blatant it will be.

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