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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums158 years ago today, the largest mass execution in U.S. history took place, ordered by A. Lincoln
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1342855867125927936.htmlU.S. Congress purposely breached treaty by omitting an article in it that set aside lands for Dakota, without telling them. Then the agent charged with providing Dakota with rations said, Let them eat grass or their own dung, while Dakota children were dying of starvation.
The Dakota were still abiding by Treaty Law & couldnt go hunting as they would have before. The war began when some Dakota stole eggs to eat and fighting broke out. Andrew Myrick, the dung-loving agent, was among the first to die. He was found with grass in his mouth. #Dakota38
The warriors didnt receive due process. Trials were held in English, a foreign language they had no legal representation and argument about broken Treaties wasnt allowed. 38 men, many innocent, were hanged anyway, on a custom made scaffold, in front of a bloodthirsty mob.
Here are the names of the #Dakota38 who were wrongfully hanged in the largest mass execution in U.S. history, on December 26, 1862.

Dakota women and children were forced to watch the hanging. A Dakota infant was snatched from the arms of their mother by the settler mob and murdered on the spot during the execution. If Dakota women and children defended themselves they couldve also be killed. #Dakota38
Around 1700 Dakota, mostly women and children, were imprisoned at Fort Snelling. Disease & death were rampant. They buried children every day. This is Chief Little Crows wife and children at Fort Snelling. He was later killed by settlers, his body grossly mutilated. #Dakota38
Before the hanging, the warriors prayed with the canupa (pipe) and sang songs. Among them were underaged minors and the mentally disabled. One of them was also a white man who had been adopted and raised by the Dakota. During the execution, some were holding hands. #Dakota38
After the hanging, Dakota were exiled from their Minnesota homelands. The state put out a bounty on the scalps of every Dakota man, woman and child.

Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)on main stream media.
There has been so much evil and even more whitewashing of it,
pecosbob
(8,387 posts)like Howard Zinn's A Peoples' History of the United States, so that rules out like ninety-five percent of the population.
niyad
(132,440 posts)A very difficult, horrifying read.
pecosbob
(8,387 posts)In addition I believe short but revealing glimpses into our past such as this are a good reminder to us all to always consider accepted contemporary accounts of historical events with a huge grain of salt.
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)dalton99a
(94,115 posts)
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)It's horrifying and disgusting.
I knew we had done incredibly bad things to our Native peoples, but I hadn't realized just how bad. Now I see and it makes me sick to realize that I am part of the white population that condoned and carried out these horrific crimes.
It makes me ashamed to be an American.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)llashram
(6,269 posts)yet, finally at 70 years plus know that trump, his cronies and base prove this American mentality will ALWAYS be curse against its soul and I fear...well we'll see won't we?
Bucky
(55,334 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)States" by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz. But be prepared. It is heartbreaking, sickening, horrifying. I could not read more than a few pages at a time.
America as we think of it was founded in genocide and slavery. Nothing to be proud of.
alwaysinasnit
(5,624 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Our true history as a nation should be taught and so much of it is dismaying, but we should use the dismay to harden us for building a future that is fair to everyone.
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)This almost makes me want to give up.

Hotler
(13,747 posts)IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)They were telling me how afraid they were of criminal Mexican elements. I told them that I wasn't afraid of the Mexicans. I told them "Hell, I tell you who I am really afraid of, it's crazy ass white males that sit from tall building and shoot people in parking lots." Like what happened in Las Vegas. You could have heard a pin drop.
I feel what you are saying.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)
BSdetect
(9,048 posts)As if they had a choice to refuse helping the Japanese.
Meanwhile Japanese war criminals were let off lightly - Doctors from the horrific Harbin, China scene, for example.
If you have never read about the Harbin atrocities prepare for a shock.
Should you want to know more its easy to Google.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)
niyad
(132,440 posts)58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)The job of history is to inform us, hopefully shape us to do better, be better, and demand justice. History should shame those whose participated, the institutions that allowed this. It should also shame those that ignore it, or want to deny it's truth.
As an amateur historian I struggle with stories like this. I live in Colorado where the Sand Creek Massacre happened, and I think about it often. I try not to feel guilt or shame, but it is hard sometimes. We all need to face what our ancestors did, and strive to be better.
Solly Mack
(96,943 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(16,406 posts)Yeehah
(6,484 posts)That claim is largely accurate, but its also misleading; it omits to mention that although Abraham Lincoln did approve 39 death sentences (one of the condemned men was ultimately spared), he also prevented the hangings of 264 other Native Americans by commuting their death sentences, in the same order. It also fails to make it clear that the death sentences did not originate with Lincoln. Rather, the executions were ordered by a military commission and sent to the president, who had the legal authority to approve or decline to approve any or all of the sentences.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lincoln-dakota/
The saddest chapters of U.S. history are the ones describing the treatment of Native Americans.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)Yeehah
(6,484 posts)Do you have a point?
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)Yeehah
(6,484 posts)Less than three years later, the leaders of the Confederacy were spared. Surely, the wrong people were executed.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)Polybius
(21,900 posts)Ask any Native American.
TomVilmer
(1,964 posts)But that would only kill two - so Lincoln invented a wider definition, and killed 38. These killings are described in too much details here, together with a description of the spiritual comfort offered:
Rev. Mr. RIGGS (well known to the Indians in his missionary capacity) interpreted Col. MILLER's remarks, and told the miserable men that their Great Father at Washington had ratified the action of the Military Court, and sentenced them to be hung on the following Friday, Dec. 26. They were informed that spiritual advisers, both Protestant and Catholic, were present, and would do all in their power to minister to their comfort during the few days of life still remaining for them.
Those priests were really helpful then...
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Which president was a hero?
Polybius
(21,900 posts)Definitely not any murdering Republicans.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Andrew Jackson (The Trail of Tears) is considered founder of the Democratic Party. Do we give him a pass?
jalan48
(14,914 posts)Native Americans still have the highest poverty rate of any racial group.
According to 2018 US Census Data, the highest poverty rate by race is found among Native Americans (25.4%), with Blacks (20.8%) having the second highest poverty rate, and Hispanics (of any race) having the third highest poverty rate (17.6%). Whites had a poverty rate of 10.1%, while Asians had a poverty rate at 10.1%.
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)TheRickles
(3,386 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)Bayard
(29,686 posts)I've read a lot of Native history, but had not seen this one. Thanks for posting.
I'm sure this is one of the stories that trump is trying to ban from being taught in schools, claiming it makes, "Americans" look bad, and its unpatriotic. These Nations deserve reparations, and instead, they are still far too many living in shacks with no running water. I read where Canada/Trudeau has been doing just that.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)When Justin Trudeau became prime minister of Canada in 2015, he promised a new relationship with Indigenous people, built on respect, rights and a commitment to end the status quo. He promised funding for Indigenous cultural activities and education. He called for recognition of aboriginal land rights. But he has also continued to support the expansion of Canadas fossil fuel industry onto new lands, an expansion that has always depended largely upon ignoring, if not flagrantly violating, the desires and rights of Native people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/opinion/canada-natives-pipeline.html
Bayard
(29,686 posts)I thought he was going to be one of the good guys.
Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Copy of the Army Scribe's notes from being assigned to document the St.Peter Massacre. The printing was done in 1870's because the Scribes Family who lived in St Paul wanted the real story printed. And the real story is about how the White Settlers wanted the Military to eliminate any vestige of a Souix Native.
BTW,we found the book in a Antique Store several years ago. A fifty cent book that contains Billions of dollars of History.
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)Polybius
(21,900 posts)I've been talking about this for years. Thank you for bringing it out. This needs to one day go into the history books.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But he prevented far, far more Black people from dying in slavery, killed by their masters or overseers for the simple acts of wanting to enjoy freedom.
Was he a mass murderer to you because he vigorously waged war with people that were subjugating and brutalizing another group of people? Were Grant, Sheridan, George Henry Thomas and Sherman mass murderers in your eyes also? The last mentioned men were far more responsible for defeating the confederacy and killing a lot of its men, George Henry Thomas men wiped out 20,000+ confederates in one single battle (Nashville) - literally drove them into a trap and felled them, and imprisoned those that survived the fight, that battle is one of the battles that singularly was responsible for ending the Civil War.
Lincoln was no saint, but if one examines any of our Presidents, none of them were. President Obama comes the closest to having the all around decency that we have wrongly assigned to many of our past Presidents. Trump is a pure disgrace of a human being.
Polybius
(21,900 posts)650,000 Americans died in that war. He could have prevented or avoided it. He gets no pass from me, and Im black.
marie999
(3,334 posts)He would not have freed the slaves. I do not know if he made that clear to the South.
bucolic_frolic
(55,136 posts)No one ever wants to examine the other side of Lincoln. Any posts I've made are usually removed pronto. So I won't say anymore.
llashram
(6,269 posts)how disturbing. Even "honest Abe" hated the red man. The vicious evil intent of this genocide is appalling but not unknown in white America's drive to eradicate the First-Americans. Sad sad, sad. This country's history is a real primer on genocide and forced bondage that the whole world has studied and many leaders have tried to emulate. Hitler and De Boer are 2 that immediately come to mind. And I believe IF trump had got his 4 more years he would have tried to outdo those 2 mentioned. Hell, he's executing African-Americans in large numbers. Either by proxy with the police forces in this nation and in prisons. And when the crimes committed were much less than Blackwater mercenary crimes in the Middle East and I will go so far as to say, I bet some of those prisoners being executed by trump edict are innocent.
Yeah, God Bless America and if needed
strongermessage
(320 posts)candidate for Governor was named Stephen Miller. I wonder if the current Republican Racist named Stephen Miller is a descendent.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)They were Jewish refugees fleeing Russian pogroms.
The is no word in English that describes this level of irony that elevated this anti refugee pro Russian hack to a position that would have made it impossible for his grandfather to enter the US.
IronLionZion
(51,268 posts)dlk
(13,247 posts)This same poison of the soul gave us Trump. Until America adequately confronts and addresses our ugly racist history, it will continue to rear its poisonous head in our politics and in our leaders. Make no mistake, we all pay a price.
Joinfortmill
(21,163 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,884 posts)JI7
(93,616 posts)BarbD
(1,433 posts)Genocide in the form of neglect still exists. First step is to acknowledge the very uncomfortable reality and truth of history.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)American Indians had land and minerals that Whites wanted, but otherwise had no value to those Whites. Black slaves were worth more economically, so they were killed only if they repeatedly tried to escape bondage and didnt submit to servitude.
LittleGirl
(8,999 posts)and this is the first time Ive read anything about this. Thank you for sharing.
When my fellow citizens get all smug and talk shit about how they are the best and brightest, Ill remind them of this sanctioned massacre.
Im going to pour another cocktail and thank my lucky stars I live abroad.
niyad
(132,440 posts)world wide wally
(21,836 posts)Marcuse
(9,010 posts)
Duppers
(28,469 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)Here's hoping she'll listen.
Marcuse
(9,010 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)written by the victors) of the greatest, bestest, most wonderfulest country EVAH.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)how some of its people were treated. Our problem, much like Great Britain, Belgium and the Netherlands, is that the dark chapters of our history were washed in history books, we were never wrong, always great. The only country that has made a real effort to deal with its past is Germany.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)kellytore
(261 posts)Our country was founded on genocide and all political parties were guilty. The reason they killed the Indian tribes was because they would not work for free, so they went across the Atlantic and kidnapped Africans.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I read that an attempt was made to enslave American Indians, but was abandoned.
CaptainTruth
(8,200 posts)yuiyoshida
(45,415 posts)America has always been a racist country from the beginning.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)We look back on it now with horror, but when it happened, likely 100% of free men and women were for the hangings and were likely upset that Lincoln refused to hang far more people in that instance. There were some places in America where lynching of a Black man or teen was a civic affair, crowds of people would gather to watch, and the people that did the murders faced punishment that was no more severe than if they had jaywalked on a quiet street.
Our national history is brutal at times, people like Trump and his supporters want to force history teachings to portray the version of America that never existed. We each have a choice, be depressed by every instance of brutality in our national history, or use those acts to harden us in our fight for equality and justice.
JI7
(93,616 posts)But I agree about teaching our history and what happened. Not as a way to just show how horrible these people were but to show what happened and why things are the way they are and why we should support certain programs to help to deal with those things to help people who are still affected today.
BarbD
(1,433 posts)We must continue our fight for equality and justice.
mountain grammy
(29,035 posts)Beringia
(5,507 posts)coti
(4,625 posts)We've yet to come to terms with how this country really came into being.
denbot
(9,950 posts)I dont have that amount of control.
My Pet Orangutan
(12,598 posts)Lincoln was warned by the Governor (Ramsey) that the white population opposed leniency. He is reported to have said, "I could not afford to hang men for votes."
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)His decision NOT to execute so many who were sentenced to death was not the act of an unfeeling racist.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)racist," what does the decision to execute the others make him?
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)303 were sentenced to death. Lincoln ordered a thorough review of all the transcripts and commuted the sentence for 265 (more than 87%), ultimately hanging 38 deemed most responsible for the massacre of civilians. The president certainly had other things on his mind during a Civil War that was not going well in late 1862. The easiest thing for him to do would have been to let the sentence stand for all 303, which is what others likely would have done in his position.
I do not in the least dispute the injustice of the trial piled on top of unrelenting injustices done against the Dakota and Native Americans throughout the "settling" of this continent. However, characterizing Abraham Lincoln as some kind of monster in this affair is way off base.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)But he then that wasn't enough, because this country has always sacrificed BIPOC to ensure white people don't get mad. So he expanded the execution order for those found to have participated in the "massacres," when as a lawyer he would have known that the entire commission was a hasty, biased sham that relied on thin evidence and lacked authority. He could have ordered retrials. He didn't.
The man prized the preservation of the union over emancipation (the proclamation for which, incidentally, he signed the same week he ordered the largest mass execution in U.S. history). He said himself if he could keep the union without ending slavery, or even ending it for some but not others, he would do so. That's not leniency, that's a flawed moral calculus.
Polybius
(21,900 posts)Real nice guy.
BobTheSubgenius
(12,217 posts)There are enough horrible incidents and events to fill volumes.
gulliver
(13,985 posts)I'll stick to the Wikipedia version of this event. It's bad enough. Lincoln was a great man and President. I'm going to credit him for reducing the cruelty, not blame him for it. Trashing Lincoln is unjust and unjustified.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_War_of_1862
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)Raine
(31,177 posts)ansible
(1,718 posts)Just saying. It was a terrible war, both sides did horrible things.
