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WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:44 PM Dec 2020

158 years ago today, the largest mass execution in U.S. history took place, ordered by A. Lincoln

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1342855867125927936.html

The execution happened at the culmination of the Dakota War, which started because the U.S. government unilaterally breached 2 treaties it made with the Dakota. The Dakota gave up land in exchange for $ and food. They (were) given neither & were starving.

U.S. Congress purposely breached treaty by omitting an article in it that set aside lands for Dakota, without telling them. Then the agent charged with providing Dakota with rations said, “Let them eat grass or their own dung,” while Dakota children were dying of starvation.

The Dakota were still abiding by Treaty Law & couldn’t go hunting as they would have before. The war began when some Dakota stole eggs to eat and fighting broke out. Andrew Myrick, the dung-loving agent, was among the first to die. He was found with grass in his mouth. #Dakota38

The warriors didn’t receive due process. ‘Trials’ were held in English, a foreign language— they had no legal representation and argument about broken Treaties wasn’t allowed. 38 men, many innocent, were hanged anyway, on a custom made scaffold, in front of a bloodthirsty mob.

Here are the names of the #Dakota38 who were wrongfully hanged in the largest mass execution in U.S. history, on December 26, 1862.



Dakota women and children were forced to watch the hanging. A Dakota infant was snatched from the arms of their mother by the settler mob and murdered on the spot during the execution. If Dakota women and children defended themselves they could’ve also be killed. #Dakota38

Around 1700 Dakota, mostly women and children, were imprisoned at Fort Snelling. Disease & death were rampant. They buried children every day. This is Chief Little Crow’s wife and children at Fort Snelling. He was later killed by settlers, his body grossly mutilated. #Dakota38

Before the hanging, the warriors prayed with the canupa (pipe) and sang songs. Among them were underaged minors and the mentally disabled. One of them was also a white man who had been adopted and raised by the Dakota. During the execution, some were holding hands. #Dakota38

After the hanging, Dakota were exiled from their Minnesota homelands. The state put out a bounty on the scalps of every Dakota man, woman and child.

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158 years ago today, the largest mass execution in U.S. history took place, ordered by A. Lincoln (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 OP
You won't see that history lesson Pantagruel Dec 2020 #1
THIS malaise Dec 2020 #10
Until recent times you would probably need to have read an actual book pecosbob Dec 2020 #64
Have you read "An Indigenous People's History of the United States" by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz? niyad Dec 2020 #70
I would agree with your description. pecosbob Dec 2020 #71
Thank you for this recommendation. nt thucythucy Dec 2020 #83
You are most welcome. Please let me know what you think of it when finished. niyad Dec 2020 #84
👍 uponit7771 Dec 2020 #98
Kick dalton99a Dec 2020 #2
Thank you for showing us that even A. Lincoln could approve of evil tactics, like this one. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2020 #3
Set aside the shame and work to dismantle the white supremacy America is built upon. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #14
Been working on it llashram Dec 2020 #33
That's the smartest take on this Bucky Dec 2020 #68
It is far worse than you can imagine, Peggy. Read "An Indigenous people's History of the United niyad Dec 2020 #41
Thanks for the book tip niyad. alwaysinasnit Dec 2020 #54
You are most welcome. Let me know what you think of it. niyad Dec 2020 #67
You can't undo the past. You can only help build the future, that is what we need to focus on. Blue_true Dec 2020 #74
It's just bad karma, and more bad karma FakeNoose Dec 2020 #4
Manifest destiny, sometimes I'm ashamed to be white. nt Hotler Dec 2020 #5
Got into a discussion with some good ol' white boys here while aback IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #11
Set aside the shame and work to dismantle white supremacy. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #13
K/R From the article: Chief Little Crow's wife & children, Ft. Snelling. appalachiablue Dec 2020 #6
It happens all over Australia executed 51 PNG people for helping the Japanese. BSdetect Dec 2020 #7
In respectful memory IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #8
That one, and "Homeland Security since 1492". niyad Dec 2020 #43
Horrific. 58Sunliner Dec 2020 #9
Thank you. kag Dec 2020 #56
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2020 #12
Horrific MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #15
Addendum Yeehah Dec 2020 #16
I'm sure the men and boys who were hanged were very moved by Lincoln's magnaminity. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #18
I doubt that very much Yeehah Dec 2020 #20
Yes: Lincoln could have commuted all the sentences. He didn't. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #24
He could have approved all 264 death sentences. He didn't. Yeehah Dec 2020 #28
I think the point is in the article. What other point do you need? IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #25
That Lincoln is no hero Polybius Dec 2020 #27
Though he "saved" some... TomVilmer Dec 2020 #44
Happy you speak for all Native Americans. former9thward Dec 2020 #88
Obama is my hero Polybius Dec 2020 #95
Since we are going back to the 1800s to bash people former9thward Dec 2020 #99
Evil really. Native Americans have become invisible in our society. jalan48 Dec 2020 #17
They are not invisible. They are actively oppressed in a white hegemony, however. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #19
Yes, we hear very little about them in the media. Oppressed and forgotten. jalan48 Dec 2020 #23
This is part of why Deb Haaland's appointment is important, and so moving. TheRickles Dec 2020 #49
I agree. It is a great thing IMHO. jalan48 Dec 2020 #53
OMG! Bayard Dec 2020 #21
On Trudeau, I just read this... Duppers Dec 2020 #62
Well, damn Bayard Dec 2020 #80
So much for the argument that "Redskin" is a term of honor. Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #22
Our Son has a Wellstone ruled Dec 2020 #26
So disgusting. Never learned this in school hustory classes. nt iluvtennis Dec 2020 #29
Lincoln is no hero, he's a mass murderer in my eyes Polybius Dec 2020 #30
Yes, he let 39 Indian Americans die. Blue_true Dec 2020 #75
What exactly did he prevent? Polybius Dec 2020 #93
Lincoln thought slavery was morally wrong but legal. marie999 Dec 2020 #101
Yay, Lincoln! bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #31
wow llashram Dec 2020 #32
I couldn't help but notice that on the page announcing the $200 bounty, that the Republican... strongermessage Dec 2020 #34
The Stephen Miller's family you refer to arrived in the US in the early 1900s grantcart Dec 2020 #42
Words like asshole or hypocrite or POS might work. nt IronLionZion Dec 2020 #55
This was an American genocide swept under the rug dlk Dec 2020 #35
I suggest you research this. Joinfortmill Dec 2020 #36
What would you like to add? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #38
So the GOP really IS the "Party of Lincoln" BamaRefugee Dec 2020 #37
No. they are even worse . JI7 Dec 2020 #65
Native Americans got in the way and were summarily eliminated. BarbD Dec 2020 #39
They, like Black slaves were dehumanized. Blue_true Dec 2020 #76
I am 61 years old today LittleGirl Dec 2020 #40
Raising a glass in honour of your birthday. May it be joyous. niyad Dec 2020 #47
Sickenening and depressing. world wide wally Dec 2020 #45
At least Natives now have a voice in a Democratic cabinet. Marcuse Dec 2020 #46
Yes! Thank you! Duppers Dec 2020 #50
She's got some work she needs to do on the Chickasaw/Choctaw Freedmen, though. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #52
True dat. Marcuse Dec 2020 #61
Thank you for this needed reminder of a truly horrific chapter in the "history" (all history is niyad Dec 2020 #48
If you study any country in history, there are many sad stories about Blue_true Dec 2020 #77
K&R Duppers Dec 2020 #51
Why could anyone be shocked about this? kellytore Dec 2020 #57
Black slavery in the USA was passed down from the British, French and Spaniards. Blue_true Dec 2020 #78
When Trumpers say they're the "party of Lincoln" this seems more appropriate. CaptainTruth Dec 2020 #58
outrageous and sad. yuiyoshida Dec 2020 #59
The hangings were a element of the times. Blue_true Dec 2020 #79
I think Trump supporters actually want to bring back a lot of the brutality against non whites JI7 Dec 2020 #81
You are absolutely correct in your assessment. BarbD Dec 2020 #89
K&R mountain grammy Dec 2020 #60
Thanks for posting Beringia Dec 2020 #63
Genocide. coti Dec 2020 #66
This is why that sandman shit was lucky I wasn't the one he puffed up on. denbot Dec 2020 #69
303 were convicted and sentence to death. Lincoln commuted the sentences of 265. My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #72
Lincoln was criticized for his leniency in this matter Martin Eden Dec 2020 #82
If his decision "NOT to execute so many who were sentenced to death was not the act of an unfeeling WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #87
It makes him LENIENT, under the circumstances. Martin Eden Dec 2020 #90
He originally was going to approve only two executions, where rape had been proven. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #91
Oh yeah, he only murdered 38 innocent people Polybius Dec 2020 #94
There is no bottom to the ocean of depravity in the dealings of "Europeans" and First Nations. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #73
Lincoln pared the number down from 303 to those who (supposedly) participated in massacre and rape. gulliver Dec 2020 #85
Reducing cruelty still leaves cruelty. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #86
I agree with you. nt Raine Dec 2020 #92
Native Americans had some extremely cruel practices as well against their enemies ansible Dec 2020 #96
Both sides? /nt tonedevil Dec 2020 #97
Both sides are nice. Sarcasm marie999 Dec 2020 #100

pecosbob

(8,387 posts)
64. Until recent times you would probably need to have read an actual book
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 07:21 PM
Dec 2020

like Howard Zinn's A Peoples' History of the United States, so that rules out like ninety-five percent of the population.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
70. Have you read "An Indigenous People's History of the United States" by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz?
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 07:51 PM
Dec 2020

A very difficult, horrifying read.

pecosbob

(8,387 posts)
71. I would agree with your description.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 08:04 PM
Dec 2020

In addition I believe short but revealing glimpses into our past such as this are a good reminder to us all to always consider accepted contemporary accounts of historical events with a huge grain of salt.

CaliforniaPeggy

(156,619 posts)
3. Thank you for showing us that even A. Lincoln could approve of evil tactics, like this one.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:56 PM
Dec 2020

It's horrifying and disgusting.

I knew we had done incredibly bad things to our Native peoples, but I hadn't realized just how bad. Now I see and it makes me sick to realize that I am part of the white population that condoned and carried out these horrific crimes.

It makes me ashamed to be an American.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
33. Been working on it
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:12 PM
Dec 2020

yet, finally at 70 years plus know that trump, his cronies and base prove this American mentality will ALWAYS be curse against its soul and I fear...well we'll see won't we?

niyad

(132,440 posts)
41. It is far worse than you can imagine, Peggy. Read "An Indigenous people's History of the United
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:52 PM
Dec 2020

States" by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz. But be prepared. It is heartbreaking, sickening, horrifying. I could not read more than a few pages at a time.

America as we think of it was founded in genocide and slavery. Nothing to be proud of.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
74. You can't undo the past. You can only help build the future, that is what we need to focus on.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 11:43 PM
Dec 2020

Our true history as a nation should be taught and so much of it is dismaying, but we should use the dismay to harden us for building a future that is fair to everyone.

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
11. Got into a discussion with some good ol' white boys here while aback
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:20 PM
Dec 2020

They were telling me how afraid they were of criminal Mexican elements. I told them that I wasn't afraid of the Mexicans. I told them "Hell, I tell you who I am really afraid of, it's crazy ass white males that sit from tall building and shoot people in parking lots." Like what happened in Las Vegas. You could have heard a pin drop.

I feel what you are saying.

BSdetect

(9,048 posts)
7. It happens all over Australia executed 51 PNG people for helping the Japanese.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:09 PM
Dec 2020

As if they had a choice to refuse helping the Japanese.

Meanwhile Japanese war criminals were let off lightly - Doctors from the horrific Harbin, China scene, for example.

If you have never read about the Harbin atrocities prepare for a shock.

Should you want to know more its easy to Google.






58Sunliner

(6,330 posts)
9. Horrific.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:12 PM
Dec 2020

The job of history is to inform us, hopefully shape us to do better, be better, and demand justice. History should shame those whose participated, the institutions that allowed this. It should also shame those that ignore it, or want to deny it's truth.

kag

(4,197 posts)
56. Thank you.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 03:27 PM
Dec 2020

As an amateur historian I struggle with stories like this. I live in Colorado where the Sand Creek Massacre happened, and I think about it often. I try not to feel guilt or shame, but it is hard sometimes. We all need to face what our ancestors did, and strive to be better.

Yeehah

(6,484 posts)
16. Addendum
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:34 PM
Dec 2020
That claim is largely accurate, but it’s also misleading; it omits to mention that although Abraham Lincoln did approve 39 death sentences (one of the condemned men was ultimately spared), he also prevented the hangings of 264 other Native Americans by commuting their death sentences, in the same order. It also fails to make it clear that the death sentences did not originate with Lincoln. Rather, the executions were ordered by a military commission and sent to the president, who had the legal authority to approve or decline to approve any or all of the sentences.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lincoln-dakota/

The saddest chapters of U.S. history are the ones describing the treatment of Native Americans.

Yeehah

(6,484 posts)
28. He could have approved all 264 death sentences. He didn't.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:58 PM
Dec 2020

Less than three years later, the leaders of the Confederacy were spared. Surely, the wrong people were executed.

TomVilmer

(1,964 posts)
44. Though he "saved" some...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:59 PM
Dec 2020
Lincoln: Anxious to not act with so much clemency as to encourage another outbreak on one hand, nor with so much severity as to be real cruelty on the other, I ordered a careful examination of the records of the trials to be made, in view of first ordering the execution of such as had been proved guilty of violating females.

But that would only kill two - so Lincoln invented a wider definition, and killed 38. These killings are described in too much details here, together with a description of the spiritual comfort offered:

Rev. Mr. RIGGS (well known to the Indians in his missionary capacity) interpreted Col. MILLER's remarks, and told the miserable men that their Great Father at Washington had ratified the action of the Military Court, and sentenced them to be hung on the following Friday, Dec. 26. They were informed that spiritual advisers, both Protestant and Catholic, were present, and would do all in their power to minister to their comfort during the few days of life still remaining for them.

Those priests were really helpful then...

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
99. Since we are going back to the 1800s to bash people
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:21 AM
Dec 2020

Andrew Jackson (The Trail of Tears) is considered founder of the Democratic Party. Do we give him a pass?

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
17. Evil really. Native Americans have become invisible in our society.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:38 PM
Dec 2020

Native Americans still have the highest poverty rate of any racial group.

According to 2018 US Census Data, the highest poverty rate by race is found among Native Americans (25.4%), with Blacks (20.8%) having the second highest poverty rate, and Hispanics (of any race) having the third highest poverty rate (17.6%). Whites had a poverty rate of 10.1%, while Asians had a poverty rate at 10.1%.



https://www.povertyusa.org/facts

Bayard

(29,686 posts)
21. OMG!
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:43 PM
Dec 2020

I've read a lot of Native history, but had not seen this one. Thanks for posting.

I'm sure this is one of the stories that trump is trying to ban from being taught in schools, claiming it makes, "Americans" look bad, and its unpatriotic. These Nations deserve reparations, and instead, they are still far too many living in shacks with no running water. I read where Canada/Trudeau has been doing just that.

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
62. On Trudeau, I just read this...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 05:19 PM
Dec 2020
Has Trudeau (Politely) Betrayed Native People Again? - The New York Times

When Justin Trudeau became prime minister of Canada in 2015, he promised a new relationship with Indigenous people, “built on respect, rights and a commitment to end the status quo.” He promised funding for Indigenous cultural activities and education. He called for recognition of aboriginal land rights. But he has also continued to support the expansion of Canada’s fossil fuel industry onto new lands, an expansion that has always depended largely upon ignoring, if not flagrantly violating, the desires and rights of Native people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/opinion/canada-natives-pipeline.html

Greed!

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
22. So much for the argument that "Redskin" is a term of honor.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:43 PM
Dec 2020
The State reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory.
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
26. Our Son has a
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:53 PM
Dec 2020

Copy of the Army Scribe's notes from being assigned to document the St.Peter Massacre. The printing was done in 1870's because the Scribes Family who lived in St Paul wanted the real story printed. And the real story is about how the White Settlers wanted the Military to eliminate any vestige of a Souix Native.

BTW,we found the book in a Antique Store several years ago. A fifty cent book that contains Billions of dollars of History.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
30. Lincoln is no hero, he's a mass murderer in my eyes
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:00 PM
Dec 2020

I've been talking about this for years. Thank you for bringing it out. This needs to one day go into the history books.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
75. Yes, he let 39 Indian Americans die.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 12:02 AM
Dec 2020

But he prevented far, far more Black people from dying in slavery, killed by their masters or overseers for the simple acts of wanting to enjoy freedom.

Was he a mass murderer to you because he vigorously waged war with people that were subjugating and brutalizing another group of people? Were Grant, Sheridan, George Henry Thomas and Sherman mass murderers in your eyes also? The last mentioned men were far more responsible for defeating the confederacy and killing a lot of it’s men, George Henry Thomas’ men wiped out 20,000+ confederates in one single battle (Nashville) - literally drove them into a trap and felled them, and imprisoned those that survived the fight, that battle is one of the battles that singularly was responsible for ending the Civil War.

Lincoln was no saint, but if one examines any of our Presidents, none of them were. President Obama comes the closest to having the all around decency that we have wrongly assigned to many of our past Presidents. Trump is a pure disgrace of a human being.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
93. What exactly did he prevent?
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 02:01 AM
Dec 2020

650,000 Americans died in that war. He could have prevented or avoided it. He gets no pass from me, and I’m black.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
101. Lincoln thought slavery was morally wrong but legal.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:36 AM
Dec 2020

He would not have freed the slaves. I do not know if he made that clear to the South.

bucolic_frolic

(55,136 posts)
31. Yay, Lincoln!
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:03 PM
Dec 2020

No one ever wants to examine the other side of Lincoln. Any posts I've made are usually removed pronto. So I won't say anymore.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
32. wow
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:09 PM
Dec 2020

how disturbing. Even "honest Abe" hated the red man. The vicious evil intent of this genocide is appalling but not unknown in white America's drive to eradicate the First-Americans. Sad sad, sad. This country's history is a real primer on genocide and forced bondage that the whole world has studied and many leaders have tried to emulate. Hitler and De Boer are 2 that immediately come to mind. And I believe IF trump had got his 4 more years he would have tried to outdo those 2 mentioned. Hell, he's executing African-Americans in large numbers. Either by proxy with the police forces in this nation and in prisons. And when the crimes committed were much less than Blackwater mercenary crimes in the Middle East and I will go so far as to say, I bet some of those prisoners being executed by trump edict are innocent.

Yeah, God Bless America and if needed

strongermessage

(320 posts)
34. I couldn't help but notice that on the page announcing the $200 bounty, that the Republican...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:18 PM
Dec 2020

candidate for Governor was named Stephen Miller. I wonder if the current Republican Racist named Stephen Miller is a descendent.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
42. The Stephen Miller's family you refer to arrived in the US in the early 1900s
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:54 PM
Dec 2020

They were Jewish refugees fleeing Russian pogroms.

The is no word in English that describes this level of irony that elevated this anti refugee pro Russian hack to a position that would have made it impossible for his grandfather to enter the US.

dlk

(13,247 posts)
35. This was an American genocide swept under the rug
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:19 PM
Dec 2020

This same poison of the soul gave us Trump. Until America adequately confronts and addresses our ugly racist history, it will continue to rear it’s poisonous head in our politics and in our leaders. Make no mistake, we all pay a price.

BarbD

(1,433 posts)
39. Native Americans got in the way and were summarily eliminated.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:39 PM
Dec 2020

Genocide in the form of neglect still exists. First step is to acknowledge the very uncomfortable reality and truth of history.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
76. They, like Black slaves were dehumanized.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 12:14 AM
Dec 2020

American Indians had land and minerals that Whites wanted, but otherwise had no value to those Whites. Black slaves were worth more economically, so they were killed only if they repeatedly tried to escape bondage and didn’t submit to servitude.

LittleGirl

(8,999 posts)
40. I am 61 years old today
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:51 PM
Dec 2020

and this is the first time I’ve read anything about this. Thank you for sharing.
When my fellow citizens get all smug and talk shit about how they are the best and brightest, I’ll remind them of this sanctioned massacre.

I’m going to pour another cocktail and thank my lucky stars I live abroad.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
52. She's got some work she needs to do on the Chickasaw/Choctaw Freedmen, though.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 03:24 PM
Dec 2020

Here's hoping she'll listen.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
48. Thank you for this needed reminder of a truly horrific chapter in the "history" (all history is
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 03:11 PM
Dec 2020

written by the victors) of the greatest, bestest, most wonderfulest country EVAH.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
77. If you study any country in history, there are many sad stories about
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 12:20 AM
Dec 2020

how some of it’s people were treated. Our problem, much like Great Britain, Belgium and the Netherlands, is that the dark chapters of our history were washed in history books, we were never wrong, always great. The only country that has made a real effort to deal with it’s past is Germany.

kellytore

(261 posts)
57. Why could anyone be shocked about this?
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 03:39 PM
Dec 2020

Our country was founded on genocide and all political parties were guilty. The reason they killed the Indian tribes was because they would not work for free, so they went across the Atlantic and kidnapped Africans.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
78. Black slavery in the USA was passed down from the British, French and Spaniards.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 12:28 AM
Dec 2020

I read that an attempt was made to enslave American Indians, but was abandoned.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
79. The hangings were a element of the times.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 12:45 AM
Dec 2020

We look back on it now with horror, but when it happened, likely 100% of free men and women were for the hangings and were likely upset that Lincoln refused to hang far more people in that instance. There were some places in America where lynching of a Black man or teen was a civic affair, crowds of people would gather to watch, and the people that did the murders faced punishment that was no more severe than if they had jaywalked on a quiet street.

Our national history is brutal at times, people like Trump and his supporters want to force history teachings to portray the version of America that never existed. We each have a choice, be depressed by every instance of brutality in our national history, or use those acts to harden us in our fight for equality and justice.

JI7

(93,616 posts)
81. I think Trump supporters actually want to bring back a lot of the brutality against non whites
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 02:24 AM
Dec 2020

But I agree about teaching our history and what happened. Not as a way to just show how horrible these people were but to show what happened and why things are the way they are and why we should support certain programs to help to deal with those things to help people who are still affected today.

BarbD

(1,433 posts)
89. You are absolutely correct in your assessment.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 03:29 PM
Dec 2020

We must continue our fight for equality and justice.

denbot

(9,950 posts)
69. This is why that sandman shit was lucky I wasn't the one he puffed up on.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 07:46 PM
Dec 2020

I don’t have that amount of control.

My Pet Orangutan

(12,598 posts)
72. 303 were convicted and sentence to death. Lincoln commuted the sentences of 265.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 08:09 PM
Dec 2020

Lincoln was warned by the Governor (Ramsey) that the white population opposed leniency. He is reported to have said, "I could not afford to hang men for votes."

Martin Eden

(15,628 posts)
82. Lincoln was criticized for his leniency in this matter
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 10:59 AM
Dec 2020

His decision NOT to execute so many who were sentenced to death was not the act of an unfeeling racist.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
87. If his decision "NOT to execute so many who were sentenced to death was not the act of an unfeeling
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 11:51 AM
Dec 2020

racist," what does the decision to execute the others make him?

Martin Eden

(15,628 posts)
90. It makes him LENIENT, under the circumstances.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 05:42 PM
Dec 2020

303 were sentenced to death. Lincoln ordered a thorough review of all the transcripts and commuted the sentence for 265 (more than 87%), ultimately hanging 38 deemed most responsible for the massacre of civilians. The president certainly had other things on his mind during a Civil War that was not going well in late 1862. The easiest thing for him to do would have been to let the sentence stand for all 303, which is what others likely would have done in his position.

I do not in the least dispute the injustice of the trial piled on top of unrelenting injustices done against the Dakota and Native Americans throughout the "settling" of this continent. However, characterizing Abraham Lincoln as some kind of monster in this affair is way off base.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
91. He originally was going to approve only two executions, where rape had been proven.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 06:18 PM
Dec 2020

But he then that wasn't enough, because this country has always sacrificed BIPOC to ensure white people don't get mad. So he expanded the execution order for those found to have participated in the "massacres," when as a lawyer he would have known that the entire commission was a hasty, biased sham that relied on thin evidence and lacked authority. He could have ordered retrials. He didn't.

The man prized the preservation of the union over emancipation (the proclamation for which, incidentally, he signed the same week he ordered the largest mass execution in U.S. history). He said himself if he could keep the union without ending slavery, or even ending it for some but not others, he would do so. That's not leniency, that's a flawed moral calculus.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
73. There is no bottom to the ocean of depravity in the dealings of "Europeans" and First Nations.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 11:01 PM
Dec 2020

There are enough horrible incidents and events to fill volumes.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
85. Lincoln pared the number down from 303 to those who (supposedly) participated in massacre and rape.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 11:39 AM
Dec 2020

I'll stick to the Wikipedia version of this event. It's bad enough. Lincoln was a great man and President. I'm going to credit him for reducing the cruelty, not blame him for it. Trashing Lincoln is unjust and unjustified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_War_of_1862

 

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96. Native Americans had some extremely cruel practices as well against their enemies
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 02:13 AM
Dec 2020

Just saying. It was a terrible war, both sides did horrible things.

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