If Trump is indicted in New York, will the FL governor extradite him?

[Cyrano]

It's possible that Trump moved to Florida in order to have a safe haven from a New York indictment. Our Florida Governor, Ron DeSantis, is a Trump loving puppet, a major dick, and would probably ignore any request from NY to extradite him. (This all assumes that Trump is pardoned, by himself or Pence, for all federal crimes.)

Were this to happen, Trump would never be able to leave the state without having to worry about being snatched up and returned to NY. We'd be stuck with him for the rest of his life. Florida would be his place of exile and he'd never stop whining that Palm Beach International Airport should be named after him.

Any lawyers reading this who can tell us how NY could get their hands on the orange beast?

[hlthe2b]

1. Florida governor has no real say. It is up to the courts. There are agreements between states.

Federal courts would take it if there were a disputed decision in the state courts and ultimately State Police or Federal Marshals would ensure his release to NY authorities.

There are procedures that must be in place and juvenile crime is not always extradited and misdemeanors are not normally a cause for extradition.

[Cyrano]

2. Would it be a state court or a federal court?

Local Palm Beach County judges are, for the most part, impartial. But if it's a state judge, many of them lean far right. Don't know about the federal district judges for this region.

Aside from that, DeSantis has gotten away with so much crap here, he may be able to twist judges' arms (unless they're federal).

[hlthe2b]

4. The only way Florida can refuse a lawful FELONY indictment warrant from another state is

1.the extradition documents facially are not in order;
2.the person has not been charged with a crime in the demanding state;
3.the person is not the person named in the extradition documents; or
4. the person is not a fugitive.

The only exception would be if Trump had been convicted in Florida and was currently serving a sentence. Extradition could be delayed until his FL sentence had been completed.

These agreements exist among all 50 states and territories. The governor is bound to comply if all requirements are met.

[hlthe2b]

9. There are interstate agreements in place that are legally binding.

[exboyfil]

5. Here is a case were a governor did refuse

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-06-26-9506260178-story.html

For nearly 12 years, Salt Lake City businessman Michael T. MacKay was a virtual prisoner in his home state of Utah. Wanted for murder in Chicago, he knew that if he left the state he could be returned to face trial.

So, MacKay did not visit his grandchildren or children, who lived out-of-state, said his attorney, Irving Miller. And when his business required travel, MacKay sent someone else in his place.

MacKay was facing charges stemming from the 1983 cyanide poisoning death of Stefan Golab, a worker at an Elk Grove Village plant that used the deadly chemical to extract silver from photographic film. The case attracted national attention because prosecutors charged officials of the company with the murder, an extremely rare legal tactic.

But several weeks ago, the Cook County state's attorney's office quietly made a deal with MacKay, 54, to drop the murder charge. Under the deal's terms, MacKay pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of reckless conduct stemming from injuries to another worker who inhaled cyanide fumes at the factory.

MacKay had never appeared in Illinois to answer the charges because the Utah governor refused to extradite him. MacKay could have been arrested on the murder warrant only if he had left the state.

[hlthe2b]

7. That one was negotiated away in procedural moves. Not taken to Federal court.

[exboyfil]

10. It ran for 12 years

Were Illinois prosecutors that incompetent? It got to the point that the only way "justice" was achieved was a sweet heart plea deal.

I think Trump would be more than happy with 12 years.

You can see a good deal of tribalism going on in this case (Mormon elder that extradited out of a state). They really wanted him back in Illinois (several other executives were convicted). The same kind of tribalism you see today (unless Florida changes dramatically in the near term - it is currently going in the other direction).

Between a sympathetic governor and a good legal team, Trump can probably spend the rest of his life in Florida secure that he is not going back to New York.

[hlthe2b]

12. Never argued that he'd not do everything to delay, but it would be a much more clear cut case here

The case you pointed to had a lot of extraneous issues including establishing legal culpability when negligence is shared.

[Bucky]

23. Yep, tribalism. And Trump is like the Mormon elder equivalent for the Florida Man cult

Of course once you get new federal charges brought up against Trump, even if they get struck down later as having been pardoned away by the most bulletproof pardoning document his White House can produce, the arraignment process alone could deliver him to New York State.

[Hortensis]

20. Film Recovery Systems. I've never forgotten those evil bastards.

Executives who were the very definition of depraved indifference to life, though that understates it, expected to get away with lethal behaviors that resulted in death and severe illness of employees because of the corporate shield. But a heroic (for that time) Illinois prosecutor decided he could use this case to break that protection and set new precedent.

One of five was acquitted. Three were convicted of murder -- but the convictions were then overturned at the appellate level. And McKay hid from prosecution in Utah. I'm sorry to hear about this deal.

Witnesses testified at the Circuit Court trial that Film Recovery workers weren’t told they were working with cyanide or that compounds used at the plant could be harmful.

Prosecutors also said the plant was manned largely by illegal Polish and Hispanic immigrants, most of whom spoke or read very little English. Some employees were instructed to burn off skull-and-crossbones labels on containers of cyanide, witnesses testified.

?Those people knew full well they were exposing their workers to lethal levels of cyanide gas.?

[exboyfil]

21. Most of them got their sentences reduced on appeal

Regular people are disposable don't you know.

[Hortensis]

24. Not to those of us who believed and believe in this case.

Of course what was extremely unusual was not murder of employees but being prosecuted for it. I'd forgotten, but Richard Daley was the prosecutor.

It lead to some reforms, but Republicans just lost an attempt to add more liability protection for business to the aid bill. It's like dismantling regulations and lowering business taxes, a constant goal.

And, no, Senator I-Sanders, Democrats are NOT like Republicans.

[exboyfil]

25. Not enough of us in the right areas of the country

Apparently because it always seems to be this way.

[onecaliberal]

3. IANAL but I don't think that is in the realm of possibility.

[Cyrano]

8. When it comes to Trump, anything is possible

The people who hang out at Mar-a-Lago are, for the most part, rich and powerful. (Some may even be judges.) Given the influence many of these people can exert, this could be tied up in courts until Trump's funeral. (Anyone think he'll get to lie in state at the Capitol?)

[exboyfil]

11. Too much chance they would have urine to clean up

[Towlie]

6. If Florida isn't a safe haven, Politico suggested that he might leave the country.

 
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These articles were published before the election:

Where will Trump go if he quits the US?

Is President Donald Trump a Flight Risk?

[Cyrano]

13. Russia is out. He's of no more use to Putin and

"inconvenient" people tend to get poisoned there.

[SoonerPride]

14. or accidentally fall out of hotel windows.

That seems to happen a lot too.

[Towlie]

17. He'd be of SOME use to Putin, at least until he's revealed all of the secrets he can remember.

 
?

[Cyrano]

18. Nothing to reveal. He never read a briefing.

All he could tell Putin is that most of his tee shots are holes in one.

[shanti]

22. He's probably

been telling him everything all along, during regular phone calls with Pooty Poot.

[exboyfil]

15. Saudi Arabia

but he is going nowhere. He will continue is huckstering ways in Florida.

[CincyDem]

16. I believe he relocated to FL because of the favorable treatment of personal residences in bankruptcy

This is why he's trying to renege on his agreement re: Mar-a-lago. IIRC, he established it as a club/business for favorable tax purposes on a going bases and part of that agreement is that it would not be used a personal residence. Technically, I think he's got a maximum number of nights he and/or family members can spend in the club (although I think he's violated that without consequences over the past several years).

Now, he's declaring it as his residence...and it FL, if you file for bankruptcy, they can't take your residence as part of the settlement.

He relocated to maintain Mar-a-lago as his ground zero for the next 4 years of sedition.