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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNot everyone should get the $2000 check
Only the ones who lost their jobs.
We are retired, did not need the previous stimulus checks. Donated all of it, and then some. To charity and to several political campaigns.
I don't know that such limitations are in the bill that passed in the House.
CherokeeDem
(3,736 posts)Nice that you were able to donate that money to help others, however, not all of us are so lucky.
question everything
(52,134 posts)because of the pandemic? Sure, we can all use more cash. One can never know when all of a sudden there is a need for funds. But I am not sure about the government just keeps printing money.
And, I suppose there is always the "whataoutit" all the wealthy and the connected who get large funds from the government. Seen something about buddies of Cruz. But is this the way to manage the budget?
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)but this poor old country deserves a break. What people do with their share is their business. There are reasons for everything.
There is enough money to give us all $5,000 or more. Just quit paying for the stupid Trump Folly Wall, for one. Reduce foreign aid, for another. I wouldn't worry about breaking the bank. Just make the billionaires and 1% pay their fair share.
There are people who have children to feed that are worried to death. People are more productive if they can feed their families. And, everything I've read says that the problem of not enough food on the table is increasing. Those that have enough today might not have enough tomorrow.
Trump intended to watch the country have a severe winter, all because he didn't get reelected. Phooey! Print the damned money!
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Why give that money to working folks, or seniors, when we can spend some of it on bombs, and then give the rest of it away to billionaires through tax breaks for the wealthy? Not to mention the wealthy corporate grifters who appropriated a huge chunk of the money from the CARES ACT, that could have helped small businesses survive, but instead went to all expenses paid vacations, etc, for rich people to help them ride out the pandemic in their summer homes in the Hamptons,
Sorry, I'm just not buying the austerity thing, when the polarization of wealth is spinning out of control by the millisecond, exponentially, and the national minimum wage is fucking $7.25 an hour.
I'm sure a lot of folks, even if they can't afford it, will give some of that $2000 to food banks, in order to help their fellow Americans get enough to eat. Better the money should go there, rather than to pay for fuel rich people use to fly their private jets to wherever they can avoid the pandemic.
Bengus81
(10,165 posts)lpbk2713
(43,273 posts)I am by no means wealthy but I get by. I have family members who are in need. I will check with them.
El Supremo
(20,436 posts)I'm looking for a charity for health workers. I know a food bank. My wife will donate to the zoo.
Lars39
(26,540 posts)Even a dead persons relatives getting the money probably put the money in the economy. Poor and middle class people spend it. And that is part of the goal, to bolster the economy.
UncleTomsEvilBrother
(954 posts)...are way too many differing circumstances to say who needs it and who doesn't. Certainly, people will be donating the money to charitable organizations. I have two friends who are donating all of their check to ActBlue.
Bottom line is that everybody deserves it. Everybody has needed relief from this virus.
question everything
(52,134 posts)Everybody? I know many who continue to work from home, who have not suffered. Sure, we miss going out and I wish that all the restaurants and the movie theaters and the gym owners get relief. But not everyone needs it.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)You put the money into circulation so that the system work. It really doesnt matter if you need it or not. Even if you dont need it, you putting it into circulation benefits those that do and it does it multiple times over as you spend it, then the person that accumulates it spends it again and that me t person does. I think economists say something like it benefits 7 times? I am not sure about that last part, but honestly limiting it to only people that need it makes it less effective. Not to mention the amount of money it would take to administer that sort of disbursement.
Bengus81
(10,165 posts)bullimiami
(14,075 posts)LisaL
(47,423 posts)I need mine.
bullimiami
(14,075 posts)question everything
(52,134 posts)We all have our different financial circumstances. And it is always good to have extra for at least raining days. But has your situation worsen since the pandemic?
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)LisaL
(47,423 posts)That didn't pass.
We are only getting $600.
El Supremo
(20,436 posts)Even McTurtle will concede.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)trump never really wanted to give the $2000--he's never done anything ever to help people
in his life. He just wanted to look like he was and then make sure mcconnell never brought
it up for a vote. It's so convoluted thay I don't see the strategy except chaos.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)and won's get into the fallacy, imo, of trying to dictate who and who should not get a check. Maybe people that don't need the check and get one should quietly give the money away and not make public pronouncements.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Response to Blue_true (Reply #42)
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solara
(3,894 posts)Not everyone who is retired is doing fine without the stimulus checks. Not everyone who is retired can afford to donate their stimulus check (such as it is)
I did not 'lose my job', but I am alone and I am barely making it on my retirement.
I'm sure it is a very good feeling to be in the position you and your partner are in, but not everyone is like you.
question everything
(52,134 posts)worse off because of the pandemic?
Wouldn't it be better - if everyone is OK with the government printing money - if most of it went to assure that all retirees live in dignity regardless of the pandemic?
Bengus81
(10,165 posts)Worse off...HELL YES. If someone like FDR would have been Pres there would have been price freezes on unprepared food as the pandemic deepened.
I am a senior living on Social Security and while I'm surviving I am not comfortable. One unexpected car repair or other potential disaster and I'll be in trouble. I don't really need lectures by the smugly fortunate among us. Times are difficult for so many and for different reasons. We don't need to be scolded too.
solara
(3,894 posts)Please don't think that I have been sitting around just waiting for the stimulus that is, of course, until I had no choice.
I am a musician and until around March, I depended on whatever meager amount I was able to make on sporadic gigs to supplement my income, to cover the little surprises that always happen at the most vulnerable moments (car repairs, etc) or to have some breathing room for car insurance and my subscription to AAA, and a little extra to pay for vitamins and other sundries that SNAP doesn't cover.
But now there are no gigs.. zilch.. zero. So the situation has gotten more and more dire, because of the pandemic I might add. So, yeah I can definitely use the $600.. I could use the $2000 even more, but I'm afraid that amount borders on fantasy.
ornotna
(11,482 posts)Not all of us even though we have retained our jobs are in the same shape as pre-pandemic. The work has slowed down considerably and I'm not working nearly the same hours as before. Thanks for thinking of us.
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)nt
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Many seniors rely on small jobs or mini side businesses to supplement their SS. Everyone I know is hurting. I could use that $2000 to pay my house taxes and credit cards . I live in a small town with lots of artists. We dont have regular jobs - we sell our art out of local galleries and online to supplement SS. The People arent buying. Many also sell jams and other homemade items at local markets that are not open.
question everything
(52,134 posts)ornotna
(11,482 posts)But that's not what you said in the OP. Hopefully, we all get through this.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)Only those unemployed should.
irisblue
(37,512 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What specifically leads you to state only the unemployed should receive stimulus (other than anecdotal evidence)?
question everything
(52,134 posts)to understand?
JI7
(93,617 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It may be news, but a LOT of people, still employed, have been negatively impacted by the virus. For example, my hours were reduced by 40 hours a month since March with no indication of their restoration.
The unemployed are not the only ones facing eviction, and I'm truly confounded and baffled as to what lead you to make that wholly unsupported allegation.
My guess (just a guess) is that you're projecting your own bubble of financial security onto everyone else as long as they're working. If that's the case, you may want to re-evaluate that projection.
question everything
(52,134 posts)Yes, they should get the stimulus money. I know many who work from home and encountered no changes.
Skittles
(171,716 posts)the cost of finding out those exact conditions would exceed giving everyone the stimulus check
I work from home and "encountered no changes" but I know a lot of people I could help.
irisblue
(37,512 posts)Wow
question everything
(52,134 posts)irisblue
(37,512 posts)So yes.
flotsam
(3,268 posts)Aren't they the ones who got not just their states normal employment but also an extra $600 a week for months-like $2600 EXTRA month after month while people on SS got a total of $1200 extra in the last year? Why did the unemployed "deserve" an extra bounty then and now only they deserve another 3 months of an extra $300 per week +the $2K if available? Sounds like nonsense to me...
MichMan
(17,151 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Donate it. Spend it. Make someone happy.
We dont need any more divisive policies. The money helps everyone. Depending on how your retirement is funded, stimulus money may help there too.
panader0
(25,816 posts)and own my place. But home repairs, car repairs, new hot water heater---things like that
are difficult. I wonder how much the very wealthy got per person in the "middle class tax cuts".
Why did trump and kushner get such huge PPP loans on the first stimulous? Fuck these people,
I could use $2000.
question everything
(52,134 posts)But are you worse off because of the pandemic? Yes, I know the previous CARE was abused. This one probably will, too. But I am not sure about the government keeps printing money.
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JI7
(93,617 posts)Just becsuse people are working doesn't mean everything is great.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)does not need this. There are too many in need right now. This is the most efficient way to do this.
stopwastingmymoney
(2,347 posts)Blecht
(3,806 posts)The money stimulates the economy whether you really "need" it or not. Means testing rarely does anything but prevent people who need something from getting it.
It's analogous to being against free college because you're afraid Barron Trump might not have to pay tuition.
we can do it
(13,024 posts)dweller
(28,410 posts)70+% supported the $2,000 stimulus ...
✌🏻
question everything
(52,134 posts)And all of us hate the ones who abuse the program. But has any of the leaders tried to look at the impact on the economy or does it not matter now?
I think it was Reagan's aid who said that most don't care about the deficit. Certainly the ones who passed the "reform tax" plan did not.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)cachukis
(3,937 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)Everyone deserves a break here.
tavernier
(14,443 posts)The only hope for that pie in the sky was to give us a better chance at the senate seats.
Ill eat my hat if that happens.
Totally Tunsie
(11,852 posts)Wow...I'm astounded, as I'm sure you are, at the bitterness and sarcastic comments received from fellow DUers with regard to your ability to donate your stimulus check(s).
I'm not here to debate your suggestion as I haven't spent time exploring the ramifications and fine-tuning of who should vs. who shouldn't receive a check. Rather, just to be one to compliment you on your thoughtfulness and generosity. I plan to do much the same, and feel no need to apologize to anyone for being in good financial position. After working hard and saving hard all my lifetime, it's comforting to be in a position where the stimulus is a nice bonus rather than a lifeline, and these are funds that can - and will - be passed on to those with need. What a pity that we live in a world where being able to help others is looked upon as braggadocio instead of a kind heart. I'm sorry you received such negativity to your post.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The generosity is commendable and no one arguing otherwise.
The criticism comes from the OP's implicit and unsupported premise that NO ONE except the unemployed needs the additional stimulus.
Totally Tunsie
(11,852 posts)There are many who posted with the attitude of "Well goodie for you...".
Examples:
"Well... good for you..."
"Maybe people that don't need the check and get one should quietly give the money away and not make public pronouncements."
"Please speak for yourself...not everyone is like you."
"You're way off base. Thanks for thinking of us."
"Way way off base"
"Well, may I have yours & your partners?"
"...you're projecting your own bubble of financial security onto everyone else as long as they're working"
"Not everyone is as wealthy as you are."
YMMD, but I see a whole lot of negativity directed at OP, which I find sad indeed.
ornotna
(11,482 posts)question everything
(52,134 posts)Before the elections when they were still negotiating, I posted here that were I in dire needs for more stimulus I would have blamed both partied for playing cynical games before the elections. Many, of course, blamed the turtle and I wondered why our side then did not expose him as an emperor with no clothes. We wanted $600 he offered $200 take him on this and watch his reaction.
What saddened me then was that most responses did not show any empathy for the ones who really are destitute.
question everything
(52,134 posts)We all could use extra funds but not everyone has suffered loss of even partial income because of the pandemic.
sheshe2
(97,629 posts)Forced out. I looked for a job for over a year. I was close to retirement age and there were no jobs for me. I retired and with moms stroke and age have been taking care of her, along with my sister 24/7, for three damn years. I never had the option to even look for a low paying part time job.
I had to give up my apartment to move into moms as she moved into my sisters house downstairs. I still pay rent. With COVID I can no longer shop at a market that I can afford. I have to use the town market that my sister orders from. The prices are more than double. I still donate to the food bank.
I live 100% on SS. Guess what my cost of living will be next year...$14.70 a month.
I will be living in luxury. Perhaps I can turn the heat up a notch.
Kudos to you and your partner for doing so well. I truly appreciate your donations, yet please know, not everyone is doing as well as you are.
question everything
(52,134 posts)of the pandemic.
Ours is an unequal economy. Too much go to the top and not enough to the middle class. Spouse and myself have been through too many periods of job loss of underemployment. I have often cheated on my resume to get a job, any job and not to be considered "over qualified."
But will one time check that would hurt the economy really change the inequality that we see each day?
Vivienne235729
(3,748 posts)A large % of people who need it and not get it.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)It's true the jobless and underemployed are the neediest, but there are lots of people working full-time jobs with middle-class lives that need the help, too.
We could all use the relief and most of the funding will be spent in ways that help working folk.
But good for you for spreading the wealth -- seriously. Even if I was debt-free and had everything I needed, I would be tempted to spend it on something for the family.
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:36 AM - Edit history (1)
to like a much higher limit for people, the reason being that some who make $75,000 but were laid off or had a reduction in hours may not have sufficient savings to continue to pay the bills.
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)The amount drops incrementally over the nezt 12 grand.
So a single person making $80k, would get 58% of the payment. Double it for married filing jointly.
Not a huge difference, but the cap for getting nothing is 16% higher.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)BainsBane
(57,757 posts)There are people with wage reductions who still have their jobs.
Additionally, everyone doesn't receive a check. At least in the first round, you got a full check up to $69,999 in income, and after that it was reduced. I don't know what the cap was.
Another point. One of the reasons for the checks is to stimulate the economy--demand side economics. People with more limited income spend more, and that helps stimulate the economy.
If they do issue $2000 checks, I plan to get a new mattress, one that doesn't make my back hurt.
sfstaxprep
(10,599 posts)Turtle is not going to allow a stand alone bill to be voted on.
We'll have to wait and Pray that we win Both Senate Runoffs. Otherwise, the $2,000 is a fantasy.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,990 posts)Another way is that everyone, regardless of financial status, should get it. Do I need it? No, not need like Im starving but it sure wouldnt hurt. I need my roof fixed, I need the drain in my yard professionally unclogged, I need several things done but I cant afford to do them despite making too much money to get a stimulus check.
I dont know. It seems to me that injecting money into the economy is a good idea, even if someone is just going to blow it on hats or strippers.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)rhetoric is useful? Frankly, I am surprised to hear this sort of thing on DU. Surprised and extremely disappointed.
mvd
(65,912 posts)People who lost their jobs need help. But so do people who are not working and Social Security recipients and young people with college loan debt. So many people need help that why should those who dont need it care? It already has a $75,000 cap and is the quick way to get help out.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)Yes, I did not need the $1,200 checks my wife and I got.
But the small businesses where I spent it did. And so did the people who work at the factories that made the goods I purchased.
ornotna
(11,482 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)And I haven't even started drinking yet. Stay tuned.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)Iggo
(49,927 posts)Response to question everything (Original post)
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BainsBane
(57,757 posts)He's thinking of the people who need it most, those who are unemployed. What he isn't thinking about is the many people who are in financial hardship or otherwise strapped but haven't lost jobs.
Skittles
(171,716 posts)time we got ours
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MoonlitKnight
(1,585 posts)1. There is already extra for the unemployed. (But not enough)
2. We dont have time to figure out who qualifies or not.
3. People still working have extra risk and/or expenses.
4. Its way more fair than the bailouts to the rich and corporations.
5. This is the biggest disaster and this is disaster relief.
6. It will prop up the economy.
7. Its more efficient and cheaper to disperse the funds.
8. It provides relief to state and local governments via sales taxes that will be paid when money is spent.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)I think I need to be paid for pain and suffering. If billion dollar corporations can be bailed out, then so can I.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Good for you that $2,000 means nothing to you, but some people who are working through this could really use it. Also, that $2,000 going into accounts will mostly be going back into the economy. People will be spending it at businesses affected by covid. $2,000 going to people who would spend it on goods and services is a good way to jumpstart the economy.
tulipsandroses
(8,251 posts)Why shouldn't they get any help?
We don't know each person's circumstances. I am helping two struggling family members. I can afford to, even though I've had to tighten my belt to make sure I am able to take care of all my needs and their needs. I am paying their car insurance, car payments and health insurance. I am sure there are others that are not as fortunate as I am. Families are having to pick up the slack and help out their families that are struggling. Some have taken in relatives/friends that have lost their incomes/homes.
If someone does not need it, great. But I think it is short sighted to say that people that have jobs should not receive it when we don't know if they have taken on additional responsibilities to keep friends and families afloat. Some small businesses have turned to families and friends to stay afloat. Those families and friends may not be well to do, but they have given to make sure their loved one does not lose their life's work.
The reason we have not fallen further into disaster, people are helping each other. So many folks are holding up friends and neighbors. I know quite a few families doing this. I am pretty sure there are plenty of folks doing the same. Those rent/mortgage payments that have been put on hold will still be due. I know someone that just gave someone $5000 for Christmas to pay up some of that back rent. It wasn't that they had $5000 to give away. It was just a selfless act to help someone struggling.
And speaking of the rent issue - some of these landlords are also losing income- some are regular folks, invested in property for extra income or for retirement that they are not getting. They may still have a job.
So many other issues to consider - some folks that were working overtime that no longer have that option due to reduced hours or less clients coming into the business. That overtime income was essential for some folks
Then there are those folks that may have lost money in their retirement savings.
Texasgal
(17,240 posts)It can still be put to good use. You could donate it as you suggested or maybe spend it at a local restaurant, small business or home repair... This would all go back into the economy.
Calculating
(3,000 posts)While I'm working and haven't lost my job, I've lost money this year due to COVID and am in a worse situation than I would be otherwise. Some of my stocks have gone down due to COVID and I've lost hours at work due to COVID related parts delays. If the government is gonna give trillions to corporations to make them whole, then they can afford to give me $2000 to help make up for this bad year. If the wealthy don't need to lose anything from a global pandemic, than neither should I.
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)xmas74
(30,058 posts)I'm putting more miles, more wear and tear on my vehicle than before. I'm working frontline in covid areas and I did not receive a bump in pay. As a matter of fact, my governor cancelled our raises for the "foreseeable future". In 2 years our state minimum wage goes up to $12 an hour. I know direct care staff making less than that now,all while putting themselves at risk.
We've worked this entire pandemic and have been exposed the entire time with no real thanks. We want $2000 and deserve more.
Luciferous
(6,586 posts)twice to quarantine because of people he works with and lost income because of it. I am also working on a degree and because everything at my school shifted to virtual we are now being charged an additional $400 a semester in technology fees. I think it's ridiculous to assume only people who lost their jobs have been financially affected by the pandemic.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)So not all people will get the check.
Those who qualify to get it do need it.
gulliver
(13,985 posts)I'm not sure why retirees or wfh people need a 2k check. Give 4k to someone who needs it instead or use the money for helping restaurants survive.
kcr
(15,522 posts)Not everyone is going to get it. So, what's the problem?
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)But I won't turn it down either.
MizLibby
(396 posts)My $2000 check will enable me to do that.
TheFarseer
(9,770 posts)I think people that lost their job should get souped up unemployment benefits and we should help businesses affected and people that lost hours or had to take a job with lower pay. I liked the paycheck protection program. Im really not sure why I (and plenty of other people) need $2k. We may have even saved money because Mrs. Farseer doesnt have to drive to work anymore. Otherwise my income has been unaffected. Im not really mad about getting it though. Its going to the kiddos college fund.
Maru Kitteh
(31,761 posts)2K a month during the pandemic crisis.
UBI
dustyscamp
(2,706 posts)I wish there was no stipulatuons or limits. Homeless, kids, people who never had a job should get this money too!
chowder66
(12,245 posts)I've incurred more costs with tipping and delivery & service fees, having to order bulk items I don't normally need due to everything being sold out in the beginning. These have all added up and I don't know how long I'll be having to do this (get groceries and sundries delivered).
So yes, the $2000 is needed for some of us with jobs (that don't pay as much as some).
A_Woman_from_MI
(183 posts)I am fine if they don't expend precious time for means testing. Personally, I don't particularly trust congress to decide who needs it, and who does not.
I am in full support of your suggestion that if you don't need it, donate it. I have a niece that works in food service, as does her partner - both have been out of work for months. They have three kids.
Could I spend any stimulus dollars that appear in my bank account? Oh, yeah, for sure - pay down a card or two, get that new laptop I've been looking at, totally overdue NYE ordering food I love from restaurants I miss, plus actual good champagne...
What will I do with any stimulus dollars that appear in my bank account? Give it to my niece. She needs it more than I do.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)why the stimulus is being given to most people. 1: Its too difficult to determine who needs it, 2: If everyone didnt get it, it would be viewed as welfare and create resentment, and 3: its purpose is to stimulate the economy.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)I'm used to living on what I get.
Your reasons are spot on. it'd be too complicated to try to figure out who actually needs it and who doesn't.
Even though I don't need it, I'll take it as I'll use it to stimulate the economy and purchase items or services I otherwise couldn't
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)I live on SSDI but I can definitely use the money, so Im not complaining.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)You should delete and then post an apology.
Bengus81
(10,165 posts)But don't try and infer that everyone else is.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)People on commission? People furloughed for part of the year that racked up debt. Dont overthink this. Just send it out
roamer65
(37,953 posts)Enhance the unemployment benefits instead for now.
Long term....
Unemployment insurance and SSDI need to become an assured income system. Near UBI level. There should also be allowance for people to receive it if they care for elderly relatives and parents.
If you lose your job, you go on AIS until if/when you find a new one.