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question everything

(52,134 posts)
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:30 PM Dec 2020

Not everyone should get the $2000 check

Only the ones who lost their jobs.

We are retired, did not need the previous stimulus checks. Donated all of it, and then some. To charity and to several political campaigns.

I don't know that such limitations are in the bill that passed in the House.

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Not everyone should get the $2000 check (Original Post) question everything Dec 2020 OP
Well... good for you... CherokeeDem Dec 2020 #1
The question is: Are you, or others who need this money in worse situation question everything Dec 2020 #56
No offense intended EndlessWire Dec 2020 #71
Mitch McConnell agrees with you 100%, I'm sure. Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #112
Jesus...this is a ONE time payment if it even happens. Settle down Bengus81 Dec 2020 #119
Agreed. lpbk2713 Dec 2020 #2
I'm making arrangements to donate mine. El Supremo Dec 2020 #3
You donating the money still got it into the economy. Lars39 Dec 2020 #4
This shelshaw Dec 2020 #9
I think that there... UncleTomsEvilBrother Dec 2020 #5
And this is the point that you made: everybody has needed relief from this virus? question everything Dec 2020 #58
Do you understand how systems work? SlogginThroughIt Dec 2020 #87
That's why it cuts off at 75K which is too high so NO not everone gets a check Bengus81 Dec 2020 #118
i agree. i would be happy to get it but I do not "need" it like so many others. bullimiami Dec 2020 #6
If somebody doesn't need it, they can always donate. LisaL Dec 2020 #8
i can use it of course. I would donate a portion. Of course we arent getting it via this Senate. bullimiami Dec 2020 #28
Would you need it were it not for the pandemic? question everything Dec 2020 #59
Have you had the OP analyze your finances just to make sure you need it. BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #90
Nobody is going to get $2,000 check. LisaL Dec 2020 #7
Wait till tomorrow. El Supremo Dec 2020 #11
+1 - It's theatre. Lucinda Dec 2020 #30
Yup. The supposed feud between trump and mcconnell is staged. panader0 Dec 2020 #13
Everyone isn't getting a check. nt Blue_true Dec 2020 #10
Exactly. Who judges who are well enough off? LakeArenal Dec 2020 #38
There is an earnings cutoff, so that excludes lots of people. I am ok with that Blue_true Dec 2020 #42
Perfect. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #51
Please speak for yourself solara Dec 2020 #12
I am sorry about that. Of course not every retired person is going well. The question is: are you question everything Dec 2020 #62
Been to the grocery store lately? Bengus81 Dec 2020 #120
Exactly! nancy1942 Dec 2020 #96
By the way solara Dec 2020 #106
You're way off base ornotna Dec 2020 #14
Better to get it out to everyone as a STIMULUS that will trickle up. Captain Zero Dec 2020 #18
Way way off base womanofthehills Dec 2020 #33
Obviously if you lost income because of the pandemic you should get it question everything Dec 2020 #64
Obviously ornotna Dec 2020 #70
Not according to you obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #110
Well, may I have yours & your partners? I'm retired and I promise to use it in my local economy irisblue Dec 2020 #15
Why? LanternWaste Dec 2020 #16
They are the ones who lost their jobs. They are the ones who face evictions. What is so difficult question everything Dec 2020 #20
People who work face evictions also JI7 Dec 2020 #23
You then believe those whose hours have been cut are immune to evictions? LanternWaste Dec 2020 #27
This is the important point: people who have been negatively impacted by the virus question everything Dec 2020 #68
so how exactly would that be determined? Skittles Dec 2020 #92
You think retired people don't lose their houses to foreclosure? irisblue Dec 2020 #44
Because of the pandemic? question everything Dec 2020 #66
Mrs K across the street, her roomie lost her job, Mrs K is having payment problems irisblue Dec 2020 #88
Wait flotsam Dec 2020 #103
Not everyone is as wealthy as you are. MichMan Dec 2020 #17
I don't agree. It's just money, and I don't mean that flippantly. Baked Potato Dec 2020 #19
I live on $859 a month in SS. I can get by because I have few bills panader0 Dec 2020 #21
We all can benefit from extra funds. No one can tell what major expenses are in the horizon question everything Dec 2020 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Dec 2020 #116
I have a business that depends on tourism and work different jobs also JI7 Dec 2020 #22
We don't have the time to figure out who does and liskddksil Dec 2020 #24
This nt stopwastingmymoney Dec 2020 #54
It's thinking like this that prevents us from getting nice things Blecht Dec 2020 #25
Fine donate yours to a food bank. we can do it Dec 2020 #26
There was a post here on a poll stating dweller Dec 2020 #29
Of course. Everyone likes money question everything Dec 2020 #79
Fortunately you dont get to decide that... n/t Lucinda Dec 2020 #31
Use it wisely, if you get it. cachukis Dec 2020 #32
Why limit it? Everyone should get it. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #34
Everyone has been affected by this pandemic. It has made life more expensive for all. TeamPooka Dec 2020 #35
Did you seriously think that there's a snowball's chance of anyone getting two grand? tavernier Dec 2020 #36
This. cwydro Dec 2020 #45
"No good deed goes unpunished." Totally Tunsie Dec 2020 #37
I think you're confused. No is criticizing the OP's generosity with their previous stimulus. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #43
No, not confused, just disappointed. Totally Tunsie Dec 2020 #57
Talk about projecting ornotna Dec 2020 #74
Thank you for your kind words question everything Dec 2020 #84
Perhaps I should be stated that only the ones who are now worse because of the pandemic question everything Dec 2020 #81
I lost my job four years ago. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #39
I am sorry about your hardship. The question is whether your are now worse off because question everything Dec 2020 #80
I would rather that a small % of people who don't need it get it rather than Vivienne235729 Dec 2020 #40
$75K AGI single; $150K AGI married couple is reasonble line. aikoaiko Dec 2020 #41
I'm even in favor of lifting the limit Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #109
It's Actually A Pinch Higher ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #115
That's true. And its based on 2019 AGI and that was a very long time ago. aikoaiko Dec 2020 #121
The ones who lost their jobs are covered by increases in unemployment BainsBane Dec 2020 #46
Nobody's Getting Them sfstaxprep Dec 2020 #48
That's one way to look at it. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2020 #49
There won't be any $2000 check, but the $600 checks have already started being delivered! Baclava Dec 2020 #50
It is wonderful that you are so fortunate. But why do you think that spouting that kind o "needs" niyad Dec 2020 #52
I just don't understand these posts either mvd Dec 2020 #55
I am retired, and my income, fortunately, has not been interupted. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #53
$12,000 ? ornotna Dec 2020 #60
Obviously an error. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #61
! ornotna Dec 2020 #63
Lol Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2020 #72
Donate it. Iggo Dec 2020 #65
Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #67
I don't take it that way BainsBane Dec 2020 #78
the 1% got theirs Skittles Dec 2020 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Dec 2020 #73
Everyone should get paid MoonlitKnight Dec 2020 #76
I'll admit, I don't need it, but trump ruined my year. ecstatic Dec 2020 #77
Some employed people may be helping friends and family who are unemployeed. Flaleftist Dec 2020 #82
I completely disagree. A lot of people that are still working are taking care of others tulipsandroses Dec 2020 #83
Fot those they may not need it.. Texasgal Dec 2020 #85
Completely disagree Calculating Dec 2020 #86
Thankfully that's not your decision BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #89
I'm still working xmas74 Dec 2020 #91
I work at a school as support staff and my hours have been cut, my husband had to take off work Luciferous Dec 2020 #93
There is no $2000 check. And it is income scaled anyway. SoonerPride Dec 2020 #94
People who lost or can't get jobs should get more gulliver Dec 2020 #95
Well, guess what? kcr Dec 2020 #97
I live on $1347 a month from SSDI and a small VA pension & I don't really need the $2k or $600 Kaleva Dec 2020 #98
I want to do my part to stimulate the economy. MizLibby Dec 2020 #99
I agree TheFarseer Dec 2020 #100
Bullfeathers. Yang is right. Everyone should get 1K a month EVERY month and Maru Kitteh Dec 2020 #101
Not everyone got the last check either dustyscamp Dec 2020 #102
I have a job. I didn't get a bonus this year because times are tough. chowder66 Dec 2020 #104
Based on the urgency of those who need it A_Woman_from_MI Dec 2020 #105
Seriously? That's your concern? Voltaire2 Dec 2020 #107
There's three reasons Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #108
I'm just above the poverty level and I don't need it. Kaleva Dec 2020 #113
Same here. Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #114
Your OP is soaked in privilege obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #111
Great that YOU are in that position............ Bengus81 Dec 2020 #117
What about cut hours? Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #122
The idea of sending out checks is stupid. roamer65 Dec 2020 #123

CherokeeDem

(3,736 posts)
1. Well... good for you...
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:33 PM
Dec 2020

Nice that you were able to donate that money to help others, however, not all of us are so lucky.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
56. The question is: Are you, or others who need this money in worse situation
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:03 PM
Dec 2020

because of the pandemic? Sure, we can all use more cash. One can never know when all of a sudden there is a need for funds. But I am not sure about the government just keeps printing money.

And, I suppose there is always the "whataoutit" all the wealthy and the connected who get large funds from the government. Seen something about buddies of Cruz. But is this the way to manage the budget?

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
71. No offense intended
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:19 PM
Dec 2020

but this poor old country deserves a break. What people do with their share is their business. There are reasons for everything.

There is enough money to give us all $5,000 or more. Just quit paying for the stupid Trump Folly Wall, for one. Reduce foreign aid, for another. I wouldn't worry about breaking the bank. Just make the billionaires and 1% pay their fair share.

There are people who have children to feed that are worried to death. People are more productive if they can feed their families. And, everything I've read says that the problem of not enough food on the table is increasing. Those that have enough today might not have enough tomorrow.

Trump intended to watch the country have a severe winter, all because he didn't get reelected. Phooey! Print the damned money!

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
112. Mitch McConnell agrees with you 100%, I'm sure.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:20 AM
Dec 2020

Why give that money to working folks, or seniors, when we can spend some of it on bombs, and then give the rest of it away to billionaires through tax breaks for the wealthy? Not to mention the wealthy corporate grifters who appropriated a huge chunk of the money from the CARES ACT, that could have helped small businesses survive, but instead went to all expenses paid vacations, etc, for rich people to help them ride out the pandemic in their summer homes in the Hamptons,

Sorry, I'm just not buying the austerity thing, when the polarization of wealth is spinning out of control by the millisecond, exponentially, and the national minimum wage is fucking $7.25 an hour.

I'm sure a lot of folks, even if they can't afford it, will give some of that $2000 to food banks, in order to help their fellow Americans get enough to eat. Better the money should go there, rather than to pay for fuel rich people use to fly their private jets to wherever they can avoid the pandemic.

lpbk2713

(43,273 posts)
2. Agreed.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:33 PM
Dec 2020


I am by no means wealthy but I get by. I have family members who are in need. I will check with them.

El Supremo

(20,436 posts)
3. I'm making arrangements to donate mine.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:33 PM
Dec 2020

I'm looking for a charity for health workers. I know a food bank. My wife will donate to the zoo.

Lars39

(26,540 posts)
4. You donating the money still got it into the economy.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:34 PM
Dec 2020

Even a dead person’s relatives getting the money probably put the money in the economy. Poor and middle class people spend it. And that is part of the goal, to bolster the economy.

5. I think that there...
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:35 PM
Dec 2020

...are way too many differing circumstances to say who needs it and who doesn't. Certainly, people will be donating the money to charitable organizations. I have two friends who are donating all of their check to ActBlue.

Bottom line is that everybody deserves it. Everybody has needed relief from this virus.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
58. And this is the point that you made: everybody has needed relief from this virus?
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:06 PM
Dec 2020

Everybody? I know many who continue to work from home, who have not suffered. Sure, we miss going out and I wish that all the restaurants and the movie theaters and the gym owners get relief. But not everyone needs it.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
87. Do you understand how systems work?
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:56 PM
Dec 2020

You put the money into circulation so that the system work. It really doesn’t matter if you “need it” or not. Even if you don’t need it, you putting it into circulation benefits those that do and it does it multiple times over as you spend it, then the person that accumulates it spends it again and that me t person does. I think economists say something like it benefits 7 times? I am not sure about that last part, but honestly limiting it to only people that “need it” makes it less effective. Not to mention the amount of money it would take to administer that sort of disbursement.

bullimiami

(14,075 posts)
28. i can use it of course. I would donate a portion. Of course we arent getting it via this Senate.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:52 PM
Dec 2020

question everything

(52,134 posts)
59. Would you need it were it not for the pandemic?
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:08 PM
Dec 2020

We all have our different financial circumstances. And it is always good to have extra for at least raining days. But has your situation worsen since the pandemic?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
13. Yup. The supposed feud between trump and mcconnell is staged.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:41 PM
Dec 2020

trump never really wanted to give the $2000--he's never done anything ever to help people
in his life. He just wanted to look like he was and then make sure mcconnell never brought
it up for a vote. It's so convoluted thay I don't see the strategy except chaos.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
42. There is an earnings cutoff, so that excludes lots of people. I am ok with that
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:29 PM
Dec 2020

and won's get into the fallacy, imo, of trying to dictate who and who should not get a check. Maybe people that don't need the check and get one should quietly give the money away and not make public pronouncements.

Response to Blue_true (Reply #42)

solara

(3,894 posts)
12. Please speak for yourself
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:39 PM
Dec 2020

Not everyone who is retired is doing fine without the stimulus checks. Not everyone who is retired can afford to donate their stimulus check (such as it is)

I did not 'lose my job', but I am alone and I am barely making it on my retirement.

I'm sure it is a very good feeling to be in the position you and your partner are in, but not everyone is like you.




question everything

(52,134 posts)
62. I am sorry about that. Of course not every retired person is going well. The question is: are you
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:12 PM
Dec 2020

worse off because of the pandemic?

Wouldn't it be better - if everyone is OK with the government printing money - if most of it went to assure that all retirees live in dignity regardless of the pandemic?


Bengus81

(10,165 posts)
120. Been to the grocery store lately?
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:57 AM
Dec 2020

Worse off...HELL YES. If someone like FDR would have been Pres there would have been price freezes on unprepared food as the pandemic deepened.

nancy1942

(640 posts)
96. Exactly!
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:46 PM
Dec 2020

I am a senior living on Social Security and while I'm surviving I am not comfortable. One unexpected car repair or other potential disaster and I'll be in trouble. I don't really need lectures by the smugly fortunate among us. Times are difficult for so many and for different reasons. We don't need to be scolded too.

solara

(3,894 posts)
106. By the way
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 12:40 AM
Dec 2020

Please don't think that I have been sitting around just waiting for the stimulus that is, of course, until I had no choice.

I am a musician and until around March, I depended on whatever meager amount I was able to make on sporadic gigs to supplement my income, to cover the little surprises that always happen at the most vulnerable moments (car repairs, etc) or to have some breathing room for car insurance and my subscription to AAA, and a little extra to pay for vitamins and other sundries that SNAP doesn't cover.

But now there are no gigs.. zilch.. zero. So the situation has gotten more and more dire, because of the pandemic I might add. So, yeah I can definitely use the $600.. I could use the $2000 even more, but I'm afraid that amount borders on fantasy.

ornotna

(11,482 posts)
14. You're way off base
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:41 PM
Dec 2020

Not all of us even though we have retained our jobs are in the same shape as pre-pandemic. The work has slowed down considerably and I'm not working nearly the same hours as before. Thanks for thinking of us.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
33. Way way off base
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:12 PM
Dec 2020

Many seniors rely on small jobs or mini side businesses to supplement their SS. Everyone I know is hurting. I could use that $2000 to pay my house taxes and credit cards . I live in a small town with lots of artists. We don’t have regular jobs - we sell our art out of local galleries and online to supplement SS. The People aren’t buying. Many also sell jams and other homemade items at local markets that are not open.


irisblue

(37,512 posts)
15. Well, may I have yours & your partners? I'm retired and I promise to use it in my local economy
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:43 PM
Dec 2020
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Why?
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:44 PM
Dec 2020

What specifically leads you to state only the unemployed should receive stimulus (other than anecdotal evidence)?

question everything

(52,134 posts)
20. They are the ones who lost their jobs. They are the ones who face evictions. What is so difficult
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:47 PM
Dec 2020

to understand?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. You then believe those whose hours have been cut are immune to evictions?
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:52 PM
Dec 2020

It may be news, but a LOT of people, still employed, have been negatively impacted by the virus. For example, my hours were reduced by 40 hours a month since March with no indication of their restoration.

The unemployed are not the only ones facing eviction, and I'm truly confounded and baffled as to what lead you to make that wholly unsupported allegation.

My guess (just a guess) is that you're projecting your own bubble of financial security onto everyone else as long as they're working. If that's the case, you may want to re-evaluate that projection.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
68. This is the important point: people who have been negatively impacted by the virus
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:18 PM
Dec 2020

Yes, they should get the stimulus money. I know many who work from home and encountered no changes.

Skittles

(171,716 posts)
92. so how exactly would that be determined?
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:24 PM
Dec 2020

the cost of finding out those exact conditions would exceed giving everyone the stimulus check

I work from home and "encountered no changes" but I know a lot of people I could help.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
103. Wait
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 12:13 AM
Dec 2020

Aren't they the ones who got not just their states normal employment but also an extra $600 a week for months-like $2600 EXTRA month after month while people on SS got a total of $1200 extra in the last year? Why did the unemployed "deserve" an extra bounty then and now only they deserve another 3 months of an extra $300 per week +the $2K if available? Sounds like nonsense to me...

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
19. I don't agree. It's just money, and I don't mean that flippantly.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:46 PM
Dec 2020

Donate it. Spend it. Make someone happy.

We don’t need any more divisive policies. The money helps everyone. Depending on how your retirement is funded, stimulus money may help there too.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
21. I live on $859 a month in SS. I can get by because I have few bills
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:47 PM
Dec 2020

and own my place. But home repairs, car repairs, new hot water heater---things like that
are difficult. I wonder how much the very wealthy got per person in the "middle class tax cuts".
Why did trump and kushner get such huge PPP loans on the first stimulous? Fuck these people,
I could use $2000.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
75. We all can benefit from extra funds. No one can tell what major expenses are in the horizon
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:21 PM
Dec 2020

But are you worse off because of the pandemic? Yes, I know the previous CARE was abused. This one probably will, too. But I am not sure about the government keeps printing money.

Response to question everything (Reply #75)

JI7

(93,617 posts)
22. I have a business that depends on tourism and work different jobs also
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:49 PM
Dec 2020

Just becsuse people are working doesn't mean everything is great.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
24. We don't have the time to figure out who does and
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:52 PM
Dec 2020

does not need this. There are too many in need right now. This is the most efficient way to do this.

Blecht

(3,806 posts)
25. It's thinking like this that prevents us from getting nice things
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:52 PM
Dec 2020

The money stimulates the economy whether you really "need" it or not. Means testing rarely does anything but prevent people who need something from getting it.

It's analogous to being against free college because you're afraid Barron Trump might not have to pay tuition.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
79. Of course. Everyone likes money
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:24 PM
Dec 2020

And all of us hate the ones who abuse the program. But has any of the leaders tried to look at the impact on the economy or does it not matter now?

I think it was Reagan's aid who said that most don't care about the deficit. Certainly the ones who passed the "reform tax" plan did not.

 

TeamPooka

(25,577 posts)
35. Everyone has been affected by this pandemic. It has made life more expensive for all.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:15 PM
Dec 2020

Everyone deserves a break here.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
36. Did you seriously think that there's a snowball's chance of anyone getting two grand?
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:18 PM
Dec 2020

The only hope for that pie in the sky was to give us a better chance at the senate seats.

Totally Tunsie

(11,852 posts)
37. "No good deed goes unpunished."
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:20 PM
Dec 2020

Wow...I'm astounded, as I'm sure you are, at the bitterness and sarcastic comments received from fellow DUers with regard to your ability to donate your stimulus check(s).

I'm not here to debate your suggestion as I haven't spent time exploring the ramifications and fine-tuning of who should vs. who shouldn't receive a check. Rather, just to be one to compliment you on your thoughtfulness and generosity. I plan to do much the same, and feel no need to apologize to anyone for being in good financial position. After working hard and saving hard all my lifetime, it's comforting to be in a position where the stimulus is a nice bonus rather than a lifeline, and these are funds that can - and will - be passed on to those with need. What a pity that we live in a world where being able to help others is looked upon as braggadocio instead of a kind heart. I'm sorry you received such negativity to your post.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
43. I think you're confused. No is criticizing the OP's generosity with their previous stimulus.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:30 PM
Dec 2020

The generosity is commendable and no one arguing otherwise.

The criticism comes from the OP's implicit and unsupported premise that NO ONE except the unemployed needs the additional stimulus.

Totally Tunsie

(11,852 posts)
57. No, not confused, just disappointed.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:04 PM
Dec 2020

There are many who posted with the attitude of "Well goodie for you...".

Examples:
"Well... good for you..."

"Maybe people that don't need the check and get one should quietly give the money away and not make public pronouncements."

"Please speak for yourself...not everyone is like you."

"You're way off base. Thanks for thinking of us."

"Way way off base"

"Well, may I have yours & your partners?"

"...you're projecting your own bubble of financial security onto everyone else as long as they're working"

"Not everyone is as wealthy as you are."


YMMD, but I see a whole lot of negativity directed at OP, which I find sad indeed.








question everything

(52,134 posts)
84. Thank you for your kind words
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:41 PM
Dec 2020

Before the elections when they were still negotiating, I posted here that were I in dire needs for more stimulus I would have blamed both partied for playing cynical games before the elections. Many, of course, blamed the turtle and I wondered why our side then did not expose him as an emperor with no clothes. We wanted $600 he offered $200 take him on this and watch his reaction.

What saddened me then was that most responses did not show any empathy for the ones who really are destitute.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
81. Perhaps I should be stated that only the ones who are now worse because of the pandemic
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:33 PM
Dec 2020

We all could use extra funds but not everyone has suffered loss of even partial income because of the pandemic.

sheshe2

(97,629 posts)
39. I lost my job four years ago.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:21 PM
Dec 2020

Forced out. I looked for a job for over a year. I was close to retirement age and there were no jobs for me. I retired and with moms stroke and age have been taking care of her, along with my sister 24/7, for three damn years. I never had the option to even look for a low paying part time job.

I had to give up my apartment to move into moms as she moved into my sisters house downstairs. I still pay rent. With COVID I can no longer shop at a market that I can afford. I have to use the town market that my sister orders from. The prices are more than double. I still donate to the food bank.

I live 100% on SS. Guess what my cost of living will be next year...$14.70 a month. I will be living in luxury. Perhaps I can turn the heat up a notch.

Kudos to you and your partner for doing so well. I truly appreciate your donations, yet please know, not everyone is doing as well as you are.

question everything

(52,134 posts)
80. I am sorry about your hardship. The question is whether your are now worse off because
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:31 PM
Dec 2020

of the pandemic.

Ours is an unequal economy. Too much go to the top and not enough to the middle class. Spouse and myself have been through too many periods of job loss of underemployment. I have often cheated on my resume to get a job, any job and not to be considered "over qualified."

But will one time check that would hurt the economy really change the inequality that we see each day?

Vivienne235729

(3,748 posts)
40. I would rather that a small % of people who don't need it get it rather than
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:21 PM
Dec 2020

A large % of people who need it and not get it.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
41. $75K AGI single; $150K AGI married couple is reasonble line.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:24 PM
Dec 2020

It's true the jobless and underemployed are the neediest, but there are lots of people working full-time jobs with middle-class lives that need the help, too.

We could all use the relief and most of the funding will be spent in ways that help working folk.

But good for you for spreading the wealth -- seriously. Even if I was debt-free and had everything I needed, I would be tempted to spend it on something for the family.





Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
109. I'm even in favor of lifting the limit
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:54 AM
Dec 2020

Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:36 AM - Edit history (1)

to like a much higher limit for people, the reason being that some who make $75,000 but were laid off or had a reduction in hours may not have sufficient savings to continue to pay the bills.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
115. It's Actually A Pinch Higher
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:40 AM
Dec 2020

The amount drops incrementally over the nezt 12 grand.
So a single person making $80k, would get 58% of the payment. Double it for married filing jointly.
Not a huge difference, but the cap for getting nothing is 16% higher.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
46. The ones who lost their jobs are covered by increases in unemployment
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:36 PM
Dec 2020

There are people with wage reductions who still have their jobs.

Additionally, everyone doesn't receive a check. At least in the first round, you got a full check up to $69,999 in income, and after that it was reduced. I don't know what the cap was.

Another point. One of the reasons for the checks is to stimulate the economy--demand side economics. People with more limited income spend more, and that helps stimulate the economy.

If they do issue $2000 checks, I plan to get a new mattress, one that doesn't make my back hurt.

 

sfstaxprep

(10,599 posts)
48. Nobody's Getting Them
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:45 PM
Dec 2020

Turtle is not going to allow a stand alone bill to be voted on.

We'll have to wait and Pray that we win Both Senate Runoffs. Otherwise, the $2,000 is a fantasy.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,990 posts)
49. That's one way to look at it.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:46 PM
Dec 2020

Another way is that everyone, regardless of financial status, should get it. Do I need it? No, not need like I’m starving but it sure wouldn’t hurt. I need my roof fixed, I need the drain in my yard professionally unclogged, I need several things done but I can’t afford to do them despite making “too much” money to get a stimulus check.

I don’t know. It seems to me that injecting money into the economy is a good idea, even if someone is just going to blow it on hats or strippers.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
52. It is wonderful that you are so fortunate. But why do you think that spouting that kind o "needs"
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:53 PM
Dec 2020

rhetoric is useful? Frankly, I am surprised to hear this sort of thing on DU. Surprised and extremely disappointed.

mvd

(65,912 posts)
55. I just don't understand these posts either
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:03 PM
Dec 2020

People who lost their jobs need help. But so do people who are not working and Social Security recipients and young people with college loan debt. So many people need help that why should those who don’t need it care? It already has a $75,000 cap and is the quick way to get help out.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
53. I am retired, and my income, fortunately, has not been interupted.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:00 PM
Dec 2020

Yes, I did not need the $1,200 checks my wife and I got.

But the small businesses where I spent it did. And so did the people who work at the factories that made the goods I purchased.

Response to question everything (Original post)

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
78. I don't take it that way
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:24 PM
Dec 2020

He's thinking of the people who need it most, those who are unemployed. What he isn't thinking about is the many people who are in financial hardship or otherwise strapped but haven't lost jobs.

Response to question everything (Original post)

MoonlitKnight

(1,585 posts)
76. Everyone should get paid
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:21 PM
Dec 2020

1. There is already extra for the unemployed. (But not enough)
2. We don’t have time to figure out who qualifies or not.
3. People still working have extra risk and/or expenses.
4. It’s way more fair than the bailouts to the rich and corporations.
5. This is the biggest disaster and this is disaster relief.
6. It will prop up the economy.
7. It’s more efficient and cheaper to disperse the funds.
8. It provides relief to state and local governments via sales taxes that will be paid when money is spent.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
77. I'll admit, I don't need it, but trump ruined my year.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:21 PM
Dec 2020

I think I need to be paid for pain and suffering. If billion dollar corporations can be bailed out, then so can I.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
82. Some employed people may be helping friends and family who are unemployeed.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:39 PM
Dec 2020

Good for you that $2,000 means nothing to you, but some people who are working through this could really use it. Also, that $2,000 going into accounts will mostly be going back into the economy. People will be spending it at businesses affected by covid. $2,000 going to people who would spend it on goods and services is a good way to jumpstart the economy.

tulipsandroses

(8,251 posts)
83. I completely disagree. A lot of people that are still working are taking care of others
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:39 PM
Dec 2020

Why shouldn't they get any help?

We don't know each person's circumstances. I am helping two struggling family members. I can afford to, even though I've had to tighten my belt to make sure I am able to take care of all my needs and their needs. I am paying their car insurance, car payments and health insurance. I am sure there are others that are not as fortunate as I am. Families are having to pick up the slack and help out their families that are struggling. Some have taken in relatives/friends that have lost their incomes/homes.

If someone does not need it, great. But I think it is short sighted to say that people that have jobs should not receive it when we don't know if they have taken on additional responsibilities to keep friends and families afloat. Some small businesses have turned to families and friends to stay afloat. Those families and friends may not be well to do, but they have given to make sure their loved one does not lose their life's work.

The reason we have not fallen further into disaster, people are helping each other. So many folks are holding up friends and neighbors. I know quite a few families doing this. I am pretty sure there are plenty of folks doing the same. Those rent/mortgage payments that have been put on hold will still be due. I know someone that just gave someone $5000 for Christmas to pay up some of that back rent. It wasn't that they had $5000 to give away. It was just a selfless act to help someone struggling.

And speaking of the rent issue - some of these landlords are also losing income- some are regular folks, invested in property for extra income or for retirement that they are not getting. They may still have a job.

So many other issues to consider - some folks that were working overtime that no longer have that option due to reduced hours or less clients coming into the business. That overtime income was essential for some folks

Then there are those folks that may have lost money in their retirement savings.

Texasgal

(17,240 posts)
85. Fot those they may not need it..
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:44 PM
Dec 2020

It can still be put to good use. You could donate it as you suggested or maybe spend it at a local restaurant, small business or home repair... This would all go back into the economy.

Calculating

(3,000 posts)
86. Completely disagree
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:44 PM
Dec 2020

While I'm working and haven't lost my job, I've lost money this year due to COVID and am in a worse situation than I would be otherwise. Some of my stocks have gone down due to COVID and I've lost hours at work due to COVID related parts delays. If the government is gonna give trillions to corporations to make them whole, then they can afford to give me $2000 to help make up for this bad year. If the wealthy don't need to lose anything from a global pandemic, than neither should I.

xmas74

(30,058 posts)
91. I'm still working
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:19 PM
Dec 2020

I'm putting more miles, more wear and tear on my vehicle than before. I'm working frontline in covid areas and I did not receive a bump in pay. As a matter of fact, my governor cancelled our raises for the "foreseeable future". In 2 years our state minimum wage goes up to $12 an hour. I know direct care staff making less than that now,all while putting themselves at risk.

We've worked this entire pandemic and have been exposed the entire time with no real thanks. We want $2000 and deserve more.

Luciferous

(6,586 posts)
93. I work at a school as support staff and my hours have been cut, my husband had to take off work
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:31 PM
Dec 2020

twice to quarantine because of people he works with and lost income because of it. I am also working on a degree and because everything at my school shifted to virtual we are now being charged an additional $400 a semester in technology fees. I think it's ridiculous to assume only people who lost their jobs have been financially affected by the pandemic.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
94. There is no $2000 check. And it is income scaled anyway.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:36 PM
Dec 2020

So not all people will get the check.

Those who qualify to get it do need it.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
95. People who lost or can't get jobs should get more
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:40 PM
Dec 2020

I'm not sure why retirees or wfh people need a 2k check. Give 4k to someone who needs it instead or use the money for helping restaurants survive.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
98. I live on $1347 a month from SSDI and a small VA pension & I don't really need the $2k or $600
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:49 PM
Dec 2020

But I won't turn it down either.

TheFarseer

(9,770 posts)
100. I agree
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:56 PM
Dec 2020

I think people that lost their job should get souped up unemployment benefits and we should help businesses affected and people that lost hours or had to take a job with lower pay. I liked the paycheck protection program. I’m really not sure why I (and plenty of other people) need $2k. We may have even saved money because Mrs. Farseer doesn’t have to drive to work anymore. Otherwise my income has been unaffected. I’m not really mad about getting it though. It’s going to the kiddo’s college fund.

Maru Kitteh

(31,761 posts)
101. Bullfeathers. Yang is right. Everyone should get 1K a month EVERY month and
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 12:02 AM
Dec 2020

2K a month during the pandemic crisis.


UBI


dustyscamp

(2,706 posts)
102. Not everyone got the last check either
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 12:07 AM
Dec 2020

I wish there was no stipulatuons or limits. Homeless, kids, people who never had a job should get this money too!

chowder66

(12,245 posts)
104. I have a job. I didn't get a bonus this year because times are tough.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 12:17 AM
Dec 2020

I've incurred more costs with tipping and delivery & service fees, having to order bulk items I don't normally need due to everything being sold out in the beginning. These have all added up and I don't know how long I'll be having to do this (get groceries and sundries delivered).

So yes, the $2000 is needed for some of us with jobs (that don't pay as much as some).

A_Woman_from_MI

(183 posts)
105. Based on the urgency of those who need it
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 12:27 AM
Dec 2020

I am fine if they don't expend precious time for means testing. Personally, I don't particularly trust congress to decide who needs it, and who does not.

I am in full support of your suggestion that if you don't need it, donate it. I have a niece that works in food service, as does her partner - both have been out of work for months. They have three kids.

Could I spend any stimulus dollars that appear in my bank account? Oh, yeah, for sure - pay down a card or two, get that new laptop I've been looking at, totally overdue NYE ordering food I love from restaurants I miss, plus actual good champagne...

What will I do with any stimulus dollars that appear in my bank account? Give it to my niece. She needs it more than I do.

Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
108. There's three reasons
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:50 AM
Dec 2020

why the stimulus is being given to most people. 1: It’s too difficult to determine who needs it, 2: If everyone didn’t get it, it would be viewed as welfare and create resentment, and 3: it’s purpose is to stimulate the economy.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
113. I'm just above the poverty level and I don't need it.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:32 AM
Dec 2020

I'm used to living on what I get.

Your reasons are spot on. it'd be too complicated to try to figure out who actually needs it and who doesn't.

Even though I don't need it, I'll take it as I'll use it to stimulate the economy and purchase items or services I otherwise couldn't

Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
114. Same here.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:34 AM
Dec 2020

I live on SSDI but I can definitely use the money, so I’m not complaining.

Bengus81

(10,165 posts)
117. Great that YOU are in that position............
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:47 AM
Dec 2020

But don't try and infer that everyone else is.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
122. What about cut hours?
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:46 PM
Dec 2020

People on commission? People furloughed for part of the year that racked up debt. Don’t overthink this. Just send it out

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
123. The idea of sending out checks is stupid.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:41 PM
Dec 2020

Enhance the unemployment benefits instead for now.

Long term....

Unemployment insurance and SSDI need to become an assured income system. Near UBI level. There should also be allowance for people to receive it if they care for elderly relatives and parents.

If you lose your job, you go on AIS until if/when you find a new one.

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