New Year's Eve Parties Are Going To Be Very Very Very Bad For America And I Mean Bad

[DanieRains]

The hospitals / ICU's are full in half the states, and they are running out of pine to build coffins in California.

Think about that.

"L.A. funeral homes running out of wood for coffins from COVID deaths"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l-a-funeral-homes-running-out-of-wood-for-coffins-from-covid-deaths/ar-BB1ckxB2?li=BBnbklE

A third of America doesn't even try to stay safe, at least more than a little bit.

I know people who are going to large parties. What can I say to them? It's pointless. They think they are special.

Just like congressman elect Luke Letlow thought he was special, until he died from Covid.

I think the people hosting the parties should be arrested, personally, if someone gets infected at their party. Attempted murder. Strip them of their assets to pay for the treatment of their friends.

This is insane.

[TexasTowelie]

1. Arrested might be an overreaction.

However, making the hosts liable if one of the guests comes down with COVID might have an effect.

In Texas there is a law that holds a host responsible if the guest consumes too much alcohol and gets into a wreck. I don't see why COVID should be treated differently than alcohol.

[NJCher]

2. Yes

Familiarity plays a role in acceptance and subsequent cooperation.

Could work.

[AngryOldDem]

5. +1

Dram shop laws and their variations, are pretty common. Also, there’s not much difference between this behavior and holding a parent responsible for underage drinking parties.

“They’re safer if they drink under my roof.” = “Me and my friends are safer if we party together.”

Same difference.

[a la izquierda]

23. In the UK, hosts are fined...

I think up to 10.000GBP.

[AngryOldDem]

3. I'm getting of the mind that you can't save people from themselves.

All I can do is, be responsible on my part and listen to the science.

Life teaches hard lessons. AKA, karma is a bitch. Trouble is, though, a lot of innocent people become collateral damage because of their ignorance/selfishness. Too bad there isn’t a way to triage care for those who flaunted all the protocols and wound up sick.

Don’t mean to sound heartless, but it’s crystal clear how to act to avoid this. You can mitigate the odds, IF you care to.

[napi21]

4. It's fair to hold all parties accountable. The host for having the party, & the guests who were

stupid enough to go! As much as I enjoy having my family visit at Christmas, this year I told them no. I just wasn't willing to take the chance with having lots of people here who go to work every day, interact with lots of different people, and could be unknowingly harboring the virus. We know several older people who are now hospitalized because of this virus & we don't want to join them!

[Withywindle]

6. The problem with arresting a plague-spreader

is that arresting that person will potentially infect the officers doing the arresting, and every other prisoner in the jail. Prisons and jails are already epicenters of spread, with very few people caring because prisoners - no matter the offense - are considered "throwaway people" by too much of society.

[progree]

7. It's my decision to take the risk. No one's forcing you to go. Very small risk at my age

says Righty McRightRight, who with the typical libertarian mindset doesn't think beyond himself and consider the people who he might infect in his household, workplace, and community. (Risk of death is very small for younger people, but not risk of infection or risk of infecting others).

I've been monitoring about 3 bar resistor websites (bars/restaurants that are open despite orders to close), and one of the most common things Mr. McRightRight posts, usually with: if you libtards are such scaredy cats, then stay home in your mama's basement, we don't want you here anyway etc. etc.

Again it makes a certain amount of sense at first, until one thinks of those secondarily infected and so on down the chain (thirdarily? fourtharily?), who did not ask to be part of this risk-taking adventure.

[MustLoveBeagles]

15. The noncompliant businesses should have their license's yanked

I'm so done with these idiots.

[progree]

16. They have been. And lots of court papers being served. What's lacking is enforcement

at least regarding 3 bars/restaurants I'm following in Minnesota.

I have a thread on that that I continue to update.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10599822

Edited to add: one of them (Havens Garden) hasn't had a liquor license since October 2019 (long before the pandemic). Whether she's serving alcohol or not, I don't know. She had her food license yanked by some southwest MN health department about 3 weeks ago, but 2 days later the board of that organization voted to reinstate it. Its in a very rural community in the southwest part of the state, in Lyon County, MN, a "real America" part of the state. Without any explanation as to why the license was reinstated.

Havens Garden is being fined $250/day. Whether they are paying it or not, I don't know. But they have raised nearly $40,000 via crowdfunding and obviously can easily afford the fine and stay open. Which they are daily M-F.

[MustLoveBeagles]

18. I see

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. A lot of RW's think the rules and laws don't apply to them and the frustrating part is that in many cases they don't. If a liberal tried to defy the law they wouldn't get very far. We have places like this in Illinois too. I feel badly for businesses in this pandemic but I won't support any business like this one that behaves like this. They're helping to spread this and are killing people. I hope they go under and lose everything.

[progree]

19. Yup, me too

I hope they go under and lose everything.

RW's are real big on the "rule of law" when it's about crime by African Americans. And I remember hearing Repukes constantly saying "rule of law" "rule of law" during the Clinton impeachment. It's an entirely different matter when they are the ones breaking the laws.

[MustLoveBeagles]

20. I hate feeling like this but I can't help it

I have no sympathy for people like that. I can't stand hypocrisy and I have a long memory.

[progree]

21. I understand

I was quite sympathetic for a long while with the Havens Garden owner - a black single mom with 3 daughters (in almost all-white southwestern Minnesota) - just trying to make a living and not lose everything. And I certainly think it is completely, thoroughly, and totally wrong that we, our governments, are putting all the cost of the pandemic on a the owners and employees of a few business sectors. They should be compensated, and yes that means we pay more taxes at some point. So as to spread the cost of this pandemic around fairly.

However, I just get so sick of FREEDOM and CONSTITUTION and THIS IS AMERICA and TYRANNY video after video after video, with never, ever, a single acknowledgement, even momentarily, even in the slightest, that remaining open will almost certainly result in more infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. And not just by the people who go to this place -- they are "signing up" for this risk, so to speak -- but to the ones those persons in turn infect in their households, workplaces, and community, who did not "sign up" for a risk-taking adventure.

So now I just puke every time I see her.

Edited to add: Google sez:

The 5 largest ethnic groups in Lyon County, MN are White (Non-Hispanic) (84.4%), Asian (Non-Hispanic) (4.09%), Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) (3.36%), Other (Hispanic) (3.23%), and White (Hispanic) (2.59%).

[Aussie105]

8. When the hospitals are full

or just give up, because too many of the staff are down with it too and their well organized human infrastructure crumbles, what will happen?

Oh, just this:

Get sick? Stay home, paint a red cross on your front door as a warning.

Die by yourself. Or recover by yourself.

Men pulling handcarts will roam the streets, ringing bells, crying 'Bring out your dead!'

Mass plague pits, no time for coffins, decent funerals, or grieving.

Been there before, the human race has, the Bubonic Plague wasn't that long ago.

It's the future - at least for countries that responded too late, didn't take it seriously at the start and still don't take it seriously now.

But party? Sure, by all means. Make it a good one, it may be your last. (I'm staying home)

[Throck]

9. Just me, my wife and a pot of crab legs.

Snuggle with the cat and dogs.

Been keeping it low at home and not spending anything. Saved up for the crab.

My wife hates when I call her crab legs......

[AwakeAtLast]

14. We're doing seared Ahi tuna

Got our chips and dips and libations already chilling. We are in until at least after New Years Day. We all go back to work on the 4th.

Good riddance 2020!

Happy New Year!

[albacore]

10. Everybody realizes, I hope... that governments have the power to do damn near anything

..in time of pandemic. Quarantine and isolate... without charge.

From Jacobson v. Massachusetts (SCOTUS)

“The Constitution,” Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote for a 7-2 majority, “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint.” Instead, “a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic.” Its members “may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”
States also have the power, beyond criminal law enforcement, to make quarantine and isolation effective. If presented with widespread noncompliance, governors may call National Guard units to put their orders into force, to safeguard state property and infrastructure, and to maintain the peace. In some states, individuals who violate emergency orders can be detained without charge and held in isolation...."

[progree]

12. This!👆 ✅ ✅ ✅

[PJMcK]

11. New Year's Eve is amateur hour

We stopped going out on New Year's Eve after a friend's child was killed by a drunk driver one year. Who needs that risk?

With the coronavirus plowing through our country and the world, who needs the risk of contacting it? Just so I can drink champagne with friends? Screw it.

Here's a side benefit: By staying home, we save all the money we used to blow on a fancy restaurant, parking, etc. Instead, we make a grand dinner at home, enjoy a movie then go to bed relatively early. This year, we're roasting some prime ribs and we're debating the movie.

Stay safe, people. One night out ain't worth the risk.

[Klaralven]

13. Normally, about 8000 people die per day. So an added 2500 is only a 30% increase in volume.

[Retrograde]

17. Some friends are doing on 24 hour New Year's party

on Zoom, starting in New Zealand and then progressing around the world. I think Mr. Retrograde is hosting some of the US times. No one is even thinking about getting together in person. And - I may finally actually get to talk to the friend of a friend from down under that I've corresponded with!

[KitSileya]

22. LA has to do hard triage these days - you get a heart attack, treatment on site fails,

You're pronounced dead at the scene. They're not driving you in to the ER and putting you on any machines to keep you alive. They don't have ICU beds for patients with heart attacks, strokes, car crash victims and the like. Soon, that'll be the norm everywhere in the US. In fact, I'm willing to bet it's the case in much of the US right now - the systems are overwhelmed, just as predicted in March. So many people will die because of COVID, but they won't die of COVID.

[sakabatou]

24. AFAIK, I've never been to a party, outside of family.

Tonight, it'll just be me and my folks.