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Some healthcare workers refuse to take COVID-19 vaccine, even with priority access (Original Post) FelineOverlord Dec 2020 OP
Then they should be relieved of duty SoCalNative Dec 2020 #1
I feel that the vaccine should be a mandatory part of job requirements. yardwork Dec 2020 #2
The vaccine is under emergency authorization. LisaL Dec 2020 #6
You Beat Me RobinA Dec 2020 #24
They should be suspended from their jobs Progressive dog Dec 2020 #3
The shortage / burn out of medical professionals makes this not doable Merlot Dec 2020 #11
You are right, Progressive dog Dec 2020 #14
Fire them! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #4
What is their reasoning, I wonder? Ohiogal Dec 2020 #5
How about - Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #13
I understand. Ohiogal Dec 2020 #15
Still doesn't make you can make a vaccine mandatory. LisaL Dec 2020 #18
No, and I get that it can't be. Ohiogal Dec 2020 #20
Since it is an emergency, is exactly why it should be mandatory MichMan Dec 2020 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftInTX Dec 2020 #48
So you would insist that those forced to risk their lives on a daily basis Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #22
Where did I say that I would insist anyone take it? Ohiogal Dec 2020 #28
You suggested their reasoning was delusional - Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #33
Everythig is a risk - getting covid vs getting a side/long term effect Merlot Dec 2020 #16
Correct - and not everyone weighing two risks will make identical decisions. Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #23
Oh, Holy H$ll RobinA Dec 2020 #25
I'll almost certainly get it, too - Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author RobinA Dec 2020 #29
Well, there is one DUer who has been posting a lot about this from the view of African-Americans. cwydro Dec 2020 #36
Then they should lose their jobs. Initech Dec 2020 #7
I'm getting mine this Saturday! Cbus Girl Dec 2020 #8
Covid vaccine is under emergency authorization from FDA. Thus it can not be required. LisaL Dec 2020 #9
Welcome to DU! Delphinus Dec 2020 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Cbus Girl Dec 2020 #10
Put them in the highest risk jobs jmbar2 Dec 2020 #12
I work in health care AnyFunctioningAdult Dec 2020 #17
More vaccine left for those without priority access. LisaL Dec 2020 #19
Unfortunately those of us nurse's who want it can't get it because Gov FloridaBlues Dec 2020 #21
"Roughly 20 - 40 percent"... BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #26
That's a HUGE Variance LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #37
It does sounds like clickbait LeftInTX Dec 2020 #49
Get mine on the 5th. ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #27
I know someone who won't get the vaccine because they use stem cells to create it. world wide wally Dec 2020 #32
That someone is uninformed. LisaL Dec 2020 #35
Thanks for that info. world wide wally Dec 2020 #38
Right now, the vaccine isn't mandatory, but at some point DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #34
And that won't solve the problem.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2020 #39
I got my vaccine. But, vaccines don't stop the spread. You still wear all your PPE and mucifer Dec 2020 #40
Not Exactly ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #41
Thanks. Got a question for you Professor: mucifer Dec 2020 #43
Above My Pay Grade ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #45
Thanks just asking your opinion. I got weeks to think about it and talk with MDs on our team mucifer Dec 2020 #46
Only 25% in my job were vaccinated. xmas74 Dec 2020 #44
I don't blame anyone for refusing to take a vaccine that has not been fully tested. marie999 Dec 2020 #47

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
1. Then they should be relieved of duty
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:44 PM
Dec 2020

until they come to their senses. If you work in healthcare, ALL vaccines should be required. Period.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
2. I feel that the vaccine should be a mandatory part of job requirements.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:45 PM
Dec 2020

This is a pandemic that has killed 300,000 Americans, with record numbers of infected and dead every day. Health care workers should be required to get the vaccine.

RobinA

(9,874 posts)
24. You Beat Me
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:33 PM
Dec 2020

to it. I work in healthcare and have had the first shot. Yes, some people have refused. I thought I would refuse earlier in the year, but I am so sick of this damn thing and worrying about infecting others, AND I want to travel as soon as possible, I decided to get the damn thing, caution be damned. Under nonpandemic situations, I probably wouldn't have.

Progressive dog

(6,861 posts)
3. They should be suspended from their jobs
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:50 PM
Dec 2020

without pay unless they are vaccinated. If they are that uncaring and ignorant, they should not be allowed any where near a health care facility.

Progressive dog

(6,861 posts)
14. You are right,
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:11 PM
Dec 2020

but there has to be some penalty for continuing to risk exposing patients to the disease. Bad reviews from their superiors (which they deserve) might cause some to get the vaccine.

Ohiogal

(31,657 posts)
5. What is their reasoning, I wonder?
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:53 PM
Dec 2020

“I am so delusional I think it’s all a hoax perpetuated by Democrats to make Trump look bad”?
“I haven’t gotten a flu shot in 20 years and never got the flu”?
“I simply don’t care if I infect fragile people and make them die”?
“The vaccine makes you sterile”?
“It’s against my religion”?

???

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
13. How about -
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:06 PM
Dec 2020

Brand new vaccine
Using a mechanism never used before in a vaccine
Offered under emergengy conditions (i.e. without the usual more complete test data safeguards)
Zero evidence of potential long-term consequences (because it is impossible to test longer than a few months - and - this mechanism has never been used before in vaccines so we cannot even extrapolate from long-term consequences associated with other similar vaccines)

I plan on taking it, although I'm not rushing to be first in line, but rational people who respect science could reach a different conclusion.

Ohiogal

(31,657 posts)
15. I understand.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:13 PM
Dec 2020

But we’re talking about those who may be in close contact with fragile or vulnerable patients every day. I wouldn’t want my elderly mother being taken care of by someone who refused the vaccine and who is in close contact with other people throughout the day. (hypothetically)

Ohiogal

(31,657 posts)
20. No, and I get that it can't be.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:22 PM
Dec 2020

But those who refuse it and take care of vulnerable people are putting others at risk.

MichMan

(11,778 posts)
42. Since it is an emergency, is exactly why it should be mandatory
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:55 PM
Dec 2020

Seems like if people can be ordered to stay at home, medical procedures postponed, and businesses and schools can be ordered to be shut down, due to the pandemic being an emergency, that the government should be able to force people to get vaccinations.

Response to LisaL (Reply #18)

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
22. So you would insist that those forced to risk their lives on a daily basis
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:24 PM
Dec 2020

to care for the rest of us also accept what is, realistically, an additional risk?

BTW, this is not thoeretical for me. On 12/3 I was diagnosed with a soft tissue sarcoma (a rare, aggressive cancer), and have had 3 surgeries (and several mandatory medical visits) since then, with many more in my near future. I trust my care providers to take proper precautions to protect themselves and me. I hope they choose to be vaccinated early. But there are enough legitimate concerns, and unknowns, that I am not willing to make that decision for them.

Ohiogal

(31,657 posts)
28. Where did I say that I would insist anyone take it?
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:39 PM
Dec 2020

I would PREFER any one taking care of a vulnerable loved one would take it, but I understand that it cannot be made mandatory as long as it’s still under emergency authorization only!

I wish you nothing but the best during this difficult time. I fought cancer too, and had 4 surgeries related to it, that was 12 years ago....and that was hard enough without worrying about being exposed to Covid. I can’t imagine being faced with all of it during these recent times.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
33. You suggested their reasoning was delusional -
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:59 PM
Dec 2020

and that you don't want someone taking care of your elderly mother, if it they had refused vaccination. That sounded a wee bit stronger than just a preference in the context of the tone of this thread. (The thread is pretty much the typical condemnation of anyone not taking the vaccine - suggesting they should lose their job if they refuse - without much recognition that this is a very different situation.)

Thanks as to cancer. This is my second bout - I had breast cancer in 2016. Since breast cancer is a relatively common and benign disease in my family, it didn't worry me too much (I'm the 5th in 4 generations - all of whom are either still living, or died decades after diagnosis with, but not from, cancer.) This one is different - more aggressive, rare enough that literature is inconclusive about standard of care, making it much harder to cope wiith.

All I have to say is that Trump better not run in 2024. I can't take another cancer diagnosis that coincides with another Trump run for office.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
16. Everythig is a risk - getting covid vs getting a side/long term effect
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:17 PM
Dec 2020

I'm at the bottom of the list to get the vaccine and am ok with waiting, but I will get it.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
23. Correct - and not everyone weighing two risks will make identical decisions.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:33 PM
Dec 2020

This is not like any vaccine ever used before. COVID is unlike any virus we have encountered before. Both pose unknown risks - so whichever choice we make, we are living with uncertainty. Which type of uncertainty is, from my perspective, a very personal choice.

RobinA

(9,874 posts)
25. Oh, Holy H$ll
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:38 PM
Dec 2020

I never even thought of the mechanism itself!!! Oh, I would have gotten it anyway. Ever since I started flying in planes, I've been a daredevil.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
30. I'll almost certainly get it, too -
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:41 PM
Dec 2020

but it is brand new, and I don't blame people for being cautious.

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #13)

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
36. Well, there is one DUer who has been posting a lot about this from the view of African-Americans.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:11 PM
Dec 2020

Many of whom are reluctant to trust this vaccine.

It seems likely that many of those in that 20 to 40% may be in that category.

Initech

(99,909 posts)
7. Then they should lose their jobs.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:54 PM
Dec 2020

Anti-vaccine ignorance should have zero place in the health care industry. Especially during a raging pandemic.

Cbus Girl

(32 posts)
8. I'm getting mine this Saturday!
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:57 PM
Dec 2020

I work for a hospital and was surprised to find that C-19 vaccination is voluntary but the annual flu shot is required unless we have a medical excuse. Don’t tell me COVID-19 has not been politicalized.

Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

jmbar2

(4,828 posts)
12. Put them in the highest risk jobs
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:05 PM
Dec 2020

Utilize their imaginary immunity to provide relief to the vaccinated medical personnel.

17. I work in health care
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:17 PM
Dec 2020

And front line workers in my company have been given this priority access as well. It was reported that so far a MAJORITY of them have refused to get the vaccine.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
19. More vaccine left for those without priority access.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:20 PM
Dec 2020

If those in healthcare profession refuse to take it, move on to other groups.

FloridaBlues

(3,991 posts)
21. Unfortunately those of us nurse's who want it can't get it because Gov
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:23 PM
Dec 2020

Idiot Desantis opened up for people 65 and older before health care workers could get it and of course they ran out in few hours. Will have to wait until mid January if our area is lucky. Meanwhile we are still exposed taking care of patients.
There were healthcare people who waited over 7 hours and still couldn't get it

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
26. "Roughly 20 - 40 percent"...
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:38 PM
Dec 2020

That right there is some shit reporting. No - let me take that back, that is some shit propaganda.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
37. That's a HUGE Variance
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:12 PM
Dec 2020

Which states the "reporter" have no FREAKING IDEA what they are writing about or FAILED to do the proper research to get near the real number.

Yet, it creates shares and clickbait. #America2020 #America2021

LeftInTX

(24,541 posts)
49. It does sounds like clickbait
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:10 PM
Dec 2020

I bet many of those that aren't have not had the time/access or not working at the present (or they work PRN/temporary etc)

Nursing home employees are not receiving their vaccine at place of employment, also those who are employed at clinics/doctors offices etc etc. They have to go to a local pharmacy and schedule an appointment. Hospital employees receive their vaccines at their work.

I don't think their is widespread avoidance of the vaccine...I think some are not getting the vaccine for the same reason that they don't vote. It is not convenient for them.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
35. That someone is uninformed.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:06 PM
Dec 2020

mRNA vaccines are synthetic, they are not made from stem cells.
There are some vaccines that use cell lines, but not Moderna or Pfizer.

"The mRNA is synthetically created in a lab and therefore does not rely on research cell lines for mass production of vaccines."

https://ksltv.com/451339/are-fetal-cell-lines-used-in-the-covid-19-vaccine-ksl-investigates/?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
39. And that won't solve the problem....
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:17 PM
Dec 2020

Sorry! People need to be INFORMED of the components of the mRNA vaccines. That is a good start as information is powerful to make a decision.

The vaccines need to be FULLY FDA approved if any type of "mandatory compliance" could take place. Why? Because if what is claimed by the manufacturers does not manifest over time, there could be a OPTION to seek remedy in the Courts.

Until all of this takes place -- a full FDA Authorization that is not just Emergency Use Authorization as it is NOW - then the vaccine should not be mandatoried and there is likely to be a legal fight, if it is.

mucifer

(23,368 posts)
40. I got my vaccine. But, vaccines don't stop the spread. You still wear all your PPE and
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:24 PM
Dec 2020

need to stay home. It's more that less of us will end up in the hospital and die from it.

So it's not about stopping the spread as much as keeping the people who get vaccinated out of the hospital.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
41. Not Exactly
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:37 PM
Dec 2020

The mechanism of the vaccine involves both generating antibodies and capping the reactive site on the virus. (The proposed mechanism of the antibodies is the same.
It caps the ACE attack spot so the virus can no longer replicate.
The vaccine will slow the spread as the viral load of those infected, but vaccinated, reduces dramatically, in some cases approaching zero.
Hence, those mildly infected would exhale a lower load.
As likely 75+% of us have been at least very mildly exposed, but many too low to generate antibodies, it suggests that for the greater population, a minimum viral load is required for infection.
If vaccinated people shed substantially less virus, that reduced viral load would result in a lower rate of transmission.
As to still taking precautions, I buy that. But, vaccines do help reduce spread. Nowhere near enough people vaccinated yet to matter, but we'll get there.

mucifer

(23,368 posts)
43. Thanks. Got a question for you Professor:
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 03:10 PM
Dec 2020

I have had a vaccine and my best friend had a vaccine. Do you think a few weeks after we have had our second vaccines we could eat together in the same indoor room?

I know we have a few weeks to think about this. But, it would be nice to hang out with others who have been vaccinated. I asked the person who gave me the vaccination and she said yes. But, I know we can carry Covid after the vaccines.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
45. Above My Pay Grade
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 05:53 PM
Dec 2020

I have an opinion, but I can't give medical advice.
Strictly An Opinion!
If it's possible to keep a reasonable distance, the whole time, I'd do it. That said, I'd wear a mask in the bathroom.
My bathroom has no powered ventilation. At the risk of being indelicate, everybody goes to the exact same spot in the bathroom.
I know we're really(!) early in this phase, but the point of vaccines is to protect us & gradually get back to as close to normal as possible.
Again, just a personal opinion.

xmas74

(29,658 posts)
44. Only 25% in my job were vaccinated.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 03:13 PM
Dec 2020

They refuse to accept that it's real, even with patient deaths all around us. Several think it can't harm them.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
47. I don't blame anyone for refusing to take a vaccine that has not been fully tested.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 06:59 PM
Dec 2020

Neither my husband nor I will not take any vaccine that has not been in wide use for less than a year. We live alone never have anyone in our house or visit anyone and only shop at a small grocery store in our town. The VA is leaving it up to the veterans on whether or not to take the vaccine.

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