Doomsday Scenarios about January 20 and January 6 Are a Waste of Time

[MineralMan]

Trump will leave the White House. He might leave on his own a week or so before the 20th, and head down to Merde-a-GoGo, or he might resign about a week before, so he can collect his pardon from Pence.

Either way, he will not attempt to remain in the White House and undergo the humiliation of being removed physically from the place.

Either way, he will whine and tweet and say stupid things, because that is his nature. But he will not try to make some sort of futile stand at the White House.

He might keep saying, "I won by a lot," but that is a useless, nonsensical thing to do. It will not avail him of anything at all. He might attempt to keep suing, but those cases, too, will be thrown out of the courts as moot.

But, he will not attempt to remain in office after January 20. There is no way for him to do that without utter humiliation, and Donald J. Trump does not like the feeling of being humiliated.

So, that's not something to worry about. It truly is not.

We should also not be worried about January 6. Since Democrats have a majority in the House in the next Congress, no objection to any slate of delegates will be agreed to by the house. Without agreement in both houses, the electoral vote from all states will be counted as received from those states. That is what will happen. There might be a delay or two, while objections are squashed in the House and probably in the Senate as well, but that's all. At the end of the day, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will be confirmed as President and Vice President by the Congress in joint session.

So, worry about other things, not about those things. We will have a new President on January 20. Trust me.

[Turin_C3PO]

1. Agreed.

No way Donald risks the image of getting physically dragged out of the White House by the Secret Service. I think there’s a pretty good chance that your second scenario, with him resigning and getting pardoned by Pence, will come to pass.

[MineralMan]

4. Yes, I agree. He is most likely to resign to keep himself from

being charged with federal crimes committed while he was President. A self-pardon is an iffy proposition, I think.

Most of the scenarios being brought forward on DU are impossible ones, and are based on ignorance of the Constitution, congressional rules, and laws. Nothing is more sacred in our system of government that the orderly transition of power after elections. Nothing. That is the entire point of the Constitution in the first place.

So, all of the worrying is a waste of time. We have had an election. Biden won. The Electoral College has voted, and every state has transmitted its certification of votes. The election is over. All that remains is a formality, which will be duly carried out, despite any possible objections in Congress.

Those who want Donald Trump to remain in office are a small minority in Congress. They will not prevail. There is zero chance of that happening. Congress, as a whole, wouldn't tolerate such a thing.

Mike Pence will perform his ceremonial role, and it will be done. He will not say a word about any alternative process.

[Towlie]

48. Yes, it is a waste of time. Still, many of us have plenty of time to waste.

 
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[LiberalFighter]

77. Well if he will be gone. We can't let an opportunity pass without having at least someone

portraying Trump and being thrown out of the WH.

[Maeve]

2. January 6 will be theater, not substance, and will end with Biden confirmed, agreed

Altho the streets of DC might not be a place you'd want to be....

[MineralMan]

8. I think the turnout of Proud Boys and other idiots in DC

will be far smaller than you might think on January 6.

[BlueIdaho]

38. If past is prologue

The Proud boys will continue to disappoint their Führer. Add to that Pence’s refusal to fall on his sword for Gohmert and I suspect their efforts will be a tempest in a tea pot.

[MineralMan]

43. What you said...

[beachbumbob]

3. its driven BY ALL MEDIA outlets, hyping the hype

[MineralMan]

6. We should all be able to ignore such hype, it seems to me.

[BlueIdaho]

33. I'm planning a personal E.C. news blackout from now to through Jan.6th

There will be much sound and fury signifying nothing coming from DC.

[MineralMan]

34. I just shake my head slowly from side to side.

I've been doing that a lot lately.

[jimlup]

5. The important date is January 5th

The Georgia runoff election. This is where we should be concentrating our efforts and attention.

[MineralMan]

7. Yes. That is important, although I'm not sure most of us

have any influence on the results, frankly. Interestingly enough, though, there will be two vacant seats in the Senate on January 6. The new senators will not be seated until the election is certified by the State of Georgia.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. Trump will run a shadow government via tweet and press release; birtherism for an ex-president

just like he ran against Obama's legitimacy with birtherism, and he'll have some loyalists on the inside in the bureaucracy and court appointees he leaves behind. I do think it will fade as a strategy, over 2-3 years; it won't age well. What Congressional GOP does is more relevant to how the country moves forward.

[MineralMan]

11. No, he won't. He'll just pretend to.

I expect to see Donald J. Trump to fade away pretty quickly.

[EarnestPutz]

16. I feel that he has faded away already. Saw him on TV yesterday and thought that he was....

....already just a shell of his former self.

[obamanut2012]

47. Yup, I agree with all of this

[Bernardo de La Paz]

60. Not going to fade away. Not in his financial interest to fade away. Loans coming due & blocked.

He is running out of lenders.

He will milk his sucker tRumpanzees for all they are worth. He will be constantly boiling and bubbling below the surface, very present for his hardcore base but nowhere near as visible to the rest of us compared to how he has been.

No, he won't fade away quickly.

[Tommymac]

10. This OP Needs to be Pinned on The Front Page until 1/20/2021

So tired of the many fearmongering and just plain untrue OP's in GD about this subject.

Get a grip folks, all the crap from the right and the MSM is just that - crap Kabuki.

[MineralMan]

12. Thanks, but it won't be.

I'm sure I'll be writing other similar things from time to time. That's sort of what I do here.

[yaesu]

13. nothing that the fascists do will stop Biden from becoming president but those that try must be

punished by every legal means possible.

[MineralMan]

14. Not unless they break some law or another.

Most will not break any laws. For example, some stupid person in congress might object to some state's electors. That's not illegal. Democrats have done that as well in the past.

Someone might protest in the street. I've done that many times, as a civil rights and anti-war activist. It's legal to protest in the streets.

We gain nothing by trying to prevent people from doing legal or constitutional things.

Let them do it, unless they are violent or violate laws. Remember, we might want to do the same one day.

[StarfishSaver]

30. Exactly

As frustrating as it is, everything that Trump and his minions have been doing has been perfectly legal and within their rights. We WANT people to use the courts and statutes to address their issues. Yes, they are getting on everyone's nerves with their endless lawsuits, but so far, they are following the law. And doing what they're doing isn't insurrection or sedition or unconstitutional.That's what they're supposed to do if they're trying to change the results.

The results won't change, but I'm not going to get worked up about their using legal means to try to get what they want.

[Turin_C3PO]

93. I agree that

what they’re doing is legal. However, I would say that their antics are very damaging to democracy long term. They’re setting a precedent for the opposing Party to challenge the outcome in all future elections. And it’s possible that some day in the future, if and when the House and Senate are dominated by crazies, that a legitimate result will be overturned. Even though it would be completely legal, I’d still call it election theft.

[Thekaspervote]

15. Agree! If anything they object full well knowing it will fail

[MineralMan]

21. Yes. It's a publicity stunt for them, to gain support from

those they think are their base.

[dlk]

17. Trump's term expires at noon on January 20, 2021

He lost the election and doesn’t get a do over. There has been far too much media indulgence of this petulant child. Whether it’s caused by privilege or cynical calculation doesn’t matter. It’s continuation is causing deep and lasting damage to our democracy. The time to cease is long overdue.

[MineralMan]

23. Exactly. That won't stop the nonsense, though,

until Biden moves into the White House.

[dlk]

73. They are like spoiled children who won't take "no" for an answer

Trump & so many Republicans seem to have to emotional maturity of a three year old.

[MineralMan]

75. The answer is for all of us to work to defeat Republicans

where we live. Focus on that. Do that. I promise you that you can do nothing except in your own state and districts. Act there.

[bdamomma]

18. Thank you MineralMan

Your post calms my nerves, thank you for that. I just want this to be over, and him gone and to be held accountable.

We got other serious things to think about esp. this virus, and all those who died who didn't need too.

Happy New Year!

[MineralMan]

24. Thanks to you, too!

[Traildogbob]

19. Great

That’s the way to start this year all positive, no more wasted days of trump what if’s. “I like the way you talk boy.” (Carl, 1996)

[MineralMan]

25. I like the way you talk, too.

[mudstump]

20. Being taken out of the WH is the perfect "reality" TV moment for Trump...

[MineralMan]

26. No, actually, it's not. He doesn't handle humiliation well at all.

He will avoid that.

[Firestorm49]

22. We appreciate your sense of calm and reason. Time will tell.

[MineralMan]

27. Time always tells.

[StarfishSaver]

28. Thank you

The "but what if?!" handwringing is really tiresome.

[MineralMan]

29. Tiresome, but inevitable, I suppose.

It's always there, in one form or another.

[StarfishSaver]

32. Yep

It's been their since before the election. We were warned that Trump was going to steal it, he was going to rig the voting machines, the courts were going to side with him, the state officials were going to fix the results, etc. None of that has happened. But they still are setting their hair on fire.

[skip fox]

31. It's not the wasted time I'm worried about

I'm retired, so time is accorded a different valance in my life.

But I'm also a cardiac patient having suffered several occasions of the heart (2 attacks, one 4-way by pass), and though this last several years have not threatened my life, they have made what time I have less productive and enjoyable.

And I'm a writer so I see Trump scheming and wonder what he might be planning. I don't want to waste your time with more of this but what if he could argue that House votes on the objection should be by state delegation, not total members?

No matter how unlikely the argument, we should be prepared for it.

(I'm going back to writing and no wasting time and health . . . for awhile.)

[MineralMan]

39. The rules in Congress do not allow for that.

Nor does the Constitution. January 6 is for tallying the EC votes. Objections will be handled according to the rules, which can only be changed with the consent of both houses. That consent will not be given by the House of Representatives, under any circumstances.

Majorities matter. They matter a great deal. No objections to slates of electors will be upheld. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will be confirmed as our President and VP. Nothing will stop that.

What Trump things is irrelevant at this point. What he tries will also be irrelevant. Congress has this ball now, and will do what it has always done - confirm the EC votes. Even some GOP Senators will vote with Democrats should push come to shove.

[Fiendish Thingy]

46. Your anxiety has no basis in reality- what are the actual steps to force a contingent election?

You fear Trump could force a contingent election where house delegations choose the president- do you even know how that is triggered?

All 50 states have governor appointed and certified slates of electors; on January 6, it becomes an internal congressional process, beyond the jurisdiction of any court in the land. There are no supposedly legitimate alternate slates of electors appointed by state legislatures, only self-appointed alternates in sham events.

A contingent election occurs only if no candidate obtains a majority of the appointed electors. Since all 50 governors have appointed and certified their states electors, in compliance with state and federal laws, there will be no contingent election.

Armed with this knowledge, Any worry or anxiety on your part about a contingent election at this point is strictly recreational, and serves no purpose.

Edit:
Rereading your post, I see that you are worried that Trump will somehow force the house vote on objections to be done by state delegations; this is even further removed from reality, as the law clearly states how objections are to be handled, and, as I said before, internal congressional procedures are immune from judicial interference. Considering Trump has lost 60+ court cases, why do you think he would prevail on a theory not even Lin Wood is pursuing?

You need to get a new hobby.

[obamanut2012]

49. You ahve been coming uo with non-reality based doomsday scenarios since before the election

I am not being snarky saying that, nor when I say this: you need to stop. Both for yourself and for other posters who, like you, do not understand the minutiae of Federal and Constitutional law and process.

What you are asking literally cannot happen.

[housecat]

35. somewhere in his twisted sick little mind he knows

that without the full force of the government behind him, without powerful people to do his bidding, without endless money to steal, he is impotent. His stupid base is/was only held together by him, and they too will unravel. I hope.

[MineralMan]

40. Trump Impotent?

Whatever can you mean?

[DemoTex]

36. Trump's tale signifies nothing ..

Trump is but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. His is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Apologies to William Shakespeare (Macbeth)

[MineralMan]

41. Indeed!

[GoneOffShore]

37. Thank you and bookmarking.

[MineralMan]

42. My pleasure.

[PatrickforO]

44. Thank you for the calming words.

I agree with you.

But never, ever, in my 62 years of life, have I seen someone as utterly disgraceful as Donald Trump.

I am not, however, embarassed for him. I do not feel bad for him. He is a monster who belongs in a federal prison cell for the rest of his life, as do his children and his son-in-law, traitors all. As much of a bleeding heart as I am, I am NOT inclined to forgive these people, or the ones in Congress who enabled them, nor am I inclined to forgive his die-hard white supremacist supporters.

These people are guilty of so many things it isn't even funny, and there need to be some investigations and trials. Biden can stay aloof, as he has signalled he will, but if the DOJ and IRS are doing their jobs independently of Biden, which is how it should be, then Biden CAN stay aloof and let the wheels of justice grind Trump and his treasonous ilk into orange powder.

And then the FBI needs to continue investigating these domestic terrorists, these Boogaloos, Proud Boys, Three Percenters and the other hate-filled pieces of human excrement.

In short, Mineral, I am disgusted that this republic could ever have come to this. And sad. This outgoing administration doesn't even have a plan to distribut the vaccine efficiently - they are down, what? Six million shots away from today's goal.

[MineralMan]

45. All after Inauguration Day. Our New President Can Take a Different Path.

We all hope he will take a fruitful one with regard to what you said.

[essme]

50. I needed to read this today

Sometimes the conspiracy theories get to me; and my mind wanders off into that, "what if...." wasteland.

Thank you for this.

[jmowreader]

51. It is also possible...

...that the GOP leaders in the House and Senate will sit on their dissident members. Threats of being kept off the choice committees would work in most cases. McConnell and McCarthy know Trump lost. They know there's no legal way to keep him in the White House. And refusing to work with Biden or to accept his victory will just make the GOP caucuses look bad.

[groundloop]

52. What concerns me is what happens down the road if we win a very close election....

Thankfully Biden won this election by a wide margin in all the key states, and as you say there's nothing they can do to change that fact.

But what will happen down the road if there's a very narrow victory? GOPers and the radical right are now out of the closet as far as being emboldened to take illegal and unethical steps to overturn an election. It's not inconceivable that we could see the perfect storm of a close election, some rat-fuckery from Roger Stone or one of his disciples, and a sympathetic judge.

[MineralMan]

62. Here's my suggestion for you:

Volunteer with your local Democratic Party organization and begin doing useful work with it. You will be surprised at how quickly you move into some position involved with leadership. If you are ready to work and are willing, you will find plenty to do.

In the end, individuals can do very little on their own when it comes to politics. Your voice is unlikely to be heard if you act alone. However, if you become part of legitimate political organizations and work hard, you can become a leader at some level. Over time, you can rise to higher levels of leadership.

In the process, you will learn more about politics and how things work. As you do, you will find additional opportunities to help make things happen.

One thing I can tell you is that simply participating in discussion areas like DU will not help avoid the things you fear. DU is a great place to share ideas and discuss things, but it has very little, if anything, to do with actual politics. That is why getting involved with actual political organization in your local area is so important.

Do that, and you will have a voice and far more influence that you can ever have posting on the Internet.

[The Animator]

53. What I want, at precisely 12:00 1/20/21...

Indictments... Tons upon tons of Indictments.
Raining down upon Trump and his family like the deluge from the fucking bible...

I want justice for everyone he’s harmed the last four years.
I want retribution, and vengance.

[ancianita]

54. So true. Just because media can't avert its eyes from the train wreck doesn't mean we can't, either.

If we don't already, we have to see Jan 6 for the third grade sore loser drama that even the loser will have to drop. We need to get ahead of all Republican drama in such a way that they can't keep up with our getting things done.

We need to hold our focus on the Future and then get a lot done as fast as we can -- harden up enforcement structures of law, reform the judiciary, keep corporate money out of politics, tax the .01%, end subsidies to Big Fossil, establish permanent Voting Rights Law, rebuild a cabinet of expertise and action, establish permanent legal structures to maintain good public health.

Whatever hundred other things we need to worry about, our new President's got this.

Thanks for your pragmatic insight.

[MineralMan]

64. Exactly. Thank you.

[Kitchari]

55. K&R n/t

[CaptainTruth]

56. HOWEVER, if Republicans controlled the House & Senate they could steal the election.

I've been conferring with a few legal folks & I'm told that if Republicans controlled the House & Senate they could throw out enough electoral votes to steal the election for Trump & it would be totally Constitutional & legal.

Today's GOP no longer cares about democracy, the people, or our country, & I don't see any signs that will change. We lucked out this time because we control the House, but next time we might not be so lucky. This makes it imperative that we never allow the GOP to control both chambers of Congress.

[MineralMan]

65. The fact, however, is that they do not control both houses of Congress.

So, that has nothing to do with this election. Luck is not involved, however, with who has control of Congress. Instead, voters decide those issues, in their own states and districts.

It's not luck. It's hard work that gets people elected. Do some of that where you live, and you can worry less.

[marie999]

72. But they don't control the House and Senate.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

57. Pence sending vibes he does NOT want pardon tRump. Has Prez ambitions 2024. tRump unlikely to resign

[MineralMan]

67. Yes, I have heard that, but not from Pence.

So, I don't know what Pence is thinking. There's a lot of "information" out there that is little more than guesswork. That's why I proposed two possible outcomes. I don't know whether Pence would pardon Trump. I suspect he would, though. That is not information. It's just a speculation, just as it the information that Pence does not want to pardon Trump.

We do not know. Perhaps Trump knows. Perhaps Pence doesn't even know what he would do.

This thread is about January 20. It's not about whether Trump is pardoned.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

80. Well, I don't know Pence's thoughts either. Hence "vibes". Nothing you can put your finger on

But who in the Republican elite would want to be president for a week and forever have to bear the stigma of granting tRump a pardon. I don't see Pence cooperating on a pardon, even though he is a toady.

[MineralMan]

82. Pence will never be President.

I don't do "vibes."

[Bernardo de La Paz]

85. I don't think Pence will ever be Pres either, but I don't know. I didn't think tRump would win 2016.

Pence may have a different reading of politics than you or I do.

[MineralMan]

88. Trump is a Populist. Pence is not.

Pence is a traditional politician, and not a very effective one, at that. He excites nobody. He has no heft at all.

Populists sometimes win elections. We often regret electing them. Pence is not in any way inspiring. He has no characteristics that might carry him to a Presidency. None at all.

He is eminently forgettable, so I think we should just forget him. I'm sure we will.

[oldsoftie]

58. Wonder if he'll even go back to DC at all if he's not back by the 6th.

And how some of his supporters will view that if it happens.

[MineralMan]

69. He is in DC right now.

So, I expect he will be there on January 6, too.

[oldsoftie]

89. Oh. Well shit. It would've been hilarious.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

59. Regarding Jan 6, my post may help calm some fears. As far as I can tell, is no way Rs can work it

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2652540

There is a lot of talk and many, especially dimwit MAGAts, think that all it takes is one Rep and one Senator to throw the whole US election into a "one state one vote" scenario. It does not work like that.

More in the post.

[Bettie]

61. Taking away all my fun of imagining

him being dragged out kicking and screaming...

[BradBo]

66. Don't agree.

I think he will NOT “go gently into that good night”, Dylan Thomas.

[MineralMan]

71. OK. As I said, I think that will not occur.

[DFW]

68. I am not worried about Biden-Harris being prevented from taking office

I am worried that this is a Republican dress-rehearsal for denying Democratic winners down the line from taking office. A majority of Congress knows what a nut case Trump is, and wants him gone. Democrats want him gone because he is awful, and Republicans want him gone because he is damaging their brand except in areas with nut case concentration. Obviously there is little hope in the short term or medium term for a state that prefers Tommy Tuberville to Doug Jones.

But at some point, there will be a malevolent but intelligent Republican (Cheney, e.g.) who may lose a close election, but have the votes in Congress to reverse a five point loss, if played right. This theater being played out this year isn't being put on by people who think they can prevent Biden from becoming president. It is being played out by people who are experimenting with ways of preventing someone like him from ever becoming president AGAIN.

[MineralMan]

70. The way to prevent such a thing from happening is to become politically active.

Every election to Congress is a local election, in a state or district. You can help right where you live. You may already be doing so. What will not help prevent that is just writing on DU or other websites. It simply won't.

[DFW]

79. Right where I live. Great idea. I am not allowed to vote where I live.

Düsseldorf was never a place whose votes were ever given great attention in any US Congressional district.

I contribute money, write for, and give views and suggestions to Senators, Congresspeople, and member of the press and think tanks with whom I am either acquainted or outright friends with back in the States. Two friends who were not in Congress as of Election Day either now are (as of one month ago) or will be (as of Monday) U.S. Senators, and I will be keeping in contact with them. Another is currently chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. My own Rep. back in Dallas (TX-32) talks a good talk, but is less than responsive except when raising money. Takes all kinds, I guess. At least he votes the right way, and Norm (Ornstein) at AEI liked him, which is no mean feat.

[MineralMan]

81. Well, if you live outside of the USA, there's not a lot you can do directly.

I did not know that.

[DFW]

84. German Rheinland

Been here for quite a long time. Both job related (station chief for Europe for my outfit) and a German wife who is not willing to move to North America. In normal times, I'm in a different country every day for work. Now, only once or twice a week, and the rest farming out stuff to the Europeans that work for me/us. I'm in touch with both Amerika Haus and the Democrats Abroad, but that's about all I have time for here, and even then I miss more than half of their shindigs due to to schedule conflicts. On occasion, I do guest spots on German media as a German-speaking representative of the Democrats Abroad, but that is really rare these days, as work takes precedence.

[marie999]

74. And at some point, the super volcano know as Yellowstone will blow and kill millions of people.

[DFW]

83. The likelihood of it deliberately erupting a few times on a smaller basis as a trial run

....is rather slim. Volcanoes United never made it to the Supreme Court.

[LiberalFighter]

76. But we need to keep piling humiliation on him over and over.

[MineralMan]

78. Not really. What we need to do is start working now

in our own states and districts to make sure that Democrats win in future elections. Donald J. Trump ceases being President on January 20. Ignore him and focus on what is coming in one year, two years, and four years.

Paying any further attention to Donald Trump is a complete waste of time. Let the AGs in NY and other states deal with that asshole.

Focus on local politics. Support Democrats for every elected office. That is how we win.

[BobTheSubgenius]

86. I believe you.

Even though the FF make mistakes, mostly of the 'not being prescient' variety, it is a very well-thought out structure they created. I find impossible to imagine that they created statutes that allow "I don't want to." as a valid reason for throwing a peaceful transfer of power out the window.

[MineralMan]

87. Exactly. Our system will hold.

We will move on and try to do better than we did with Trump. I am hopeful that we can.

[StarfishSaver]

99. The system will continue to hold only if the people continue to make it hold

And that's the whole point.

Folk are acting as if the system is a self-executing being that is impervious to weaknesses and can protect itself from abuse. But the system is only as strong as we are because the system IS us and it works only when we make it work. If the system fails that will be because we let it fail.

[brooklynite]

90. But if people can't fret about silly conspiracy theories, what will they do this weekend?

[MineralMan]

91. Have sex or something?

[retread]

94. The first is on the list. The second, so far, is walk the dogs.

[Skittles]

92. do you understand it's not just about those dates

it's what they are doing to undermine belief in American institutions, in our democracy

[hamsterjill]

96. This!

Plus all of the idiots around me, at least in Texas, wanting to start something so they can show off their gun collection.

[MineralMan]

98. Right now, it is about those dates.

The other concerns are longer in range and will continue.

[Skittles]

102. NO IT ISN'T

it is MUCH more than that

[MineralMan]

103. YES IT IS!

[Skittles]

104. you think what is happening is a joke?

IT ISN'T

DONE HERE

[betsuni]

95. Yes it is. He's a puppet, no real power.

[EndlessWire]

97. He's going to evaluate the quality of

the riot he is encouraging. While I am encouraged by the court results, Pence's reaction (although that could just be leaving himself a way out,) and the fact that several Repubs have spoken against such a tactic, Trump is clearly positioning himself to steal the Presidency.

He might cause the riot, or arranged the riot, and then claim that he can't get out of DC despite the ability to land on the WH lawn. He might declare Martial Law and call in other actors to implement it. He might fire all the Joint Chiefs.

But, I think that all the Governors of Dem states could muster up enough recruits to fight the puny Blackwater and Proud Boy forces. I am not worried about January 6th. We could live right through to January 20th. We'd spend our time planning.

I am eager for a victory on January 5th. That will be the day we take the Senate. We can look forward to more hokum with the vote tabulation, but we can put up with that, too.

We have just as much resolve as we did in November. We will fight, and Trump will go.

I disagree that Trump can be humiliated. He is not normal. He will not concede, and he will not leave Washington early. Leaving Washington on the Helicopter will be like walking the plank for him, but he'll still be thinking up crap to do, and lawsuits to file.

Joe and Kamala need to have the WH deep cleaned and examined for bugs. So, I wish they would take their oaths in a secret location. Just in case.

[kentuck]

100. All he has to do is make enough of his supporters believe that he won the election...

...and he can continue his con.

[MineralMan]

101. How many are "enough?"

He will not be President any longer. That is crucial to his popularity, since it gave him a platform and actual power. He will not have the second after January 20. He lost the election because enough people rejected him as President. Over 7 million gave Joe Biden the majority.

Trump will soon be in a vacuum, more or less.

[crickets]

105. Thank you for the voice of reason.

I have been taking breaks from the news during the holidays because a lonely Christmas was enough to handle; the news cycle stress was too much. Probably going to continue to only glance through the headlines until Biden's term is underway. At that point, the nature of trump's headlines should change if NY has anything to say about it. My hope is that Letitia James has all sorts of surprises in store. Meanwhile, the new administration will be getting to work fixing the mess trump has left behind. It's going to take time, it's going to be a hard slog, but eventually things will turn around.

The country is a bit tattered, but still in one piece. It's gonna be okay.

[MineralMan]

106. I keep trying.

Thanks!