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citizen blues

(608 posts)
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:29 AM Jan 2021

Now, I'm hearing "end times" nonsense from a family member

My daughter and I declined going to my brother's house on Christmas Eve because of the size of gathering he was having. His wife comes from a large family and the numbers present can grow rapidly and unannounced. To top it off, my nephew, his GF and their 3 month old baby were coming in from a super red where no one wears masks.

Even though I had Covid last summer, my immune system is still recovering and I pick up colds very easily. Additionally, my daughter has taken a lot of precautions and scaled back her contact with extended family and her SO's family. She also had invited me over to her house first, and I didn't feel it was fair to her for me to go to my brother's house then to hers the next day. That was a cross-contamination I wasn't willing to risk.

We texted each other Merry Christmas, and I thought everything was fine. Then I get the following text from my brother on Monday:

Just now I saw that a head rabbi in Isreal is saying that he is in contact with the Messiah and the messiah going to be revealed soon. We know that Christ is the messiah and we also know that in scripture that the messiah that the Jewish people will accept is in fact the anti christ. Bible proficiency is comming together so fast about the end times that I get new information nearly evrey week. But... with this announcement just comming out.... its serious. If you feel a calling towards God listen to it. Get right with God now. We need to be strong in our faith and even stronger in our relationship with God.

We may not know the hour but we will know the season if we pay attention and im certain that we are in the season now.

I love you guys!


Neither of us responded. Then we both sent Happy New Year and "I love you," but he didn't respond. My gut is telling me that I may be losing my younger brother here. We have different fathers and weren't raised together, but I still love him. Now, I honestly don't know when or even if he is going to want to talk to me again.

I'm sorry. I just needed to vent. 2020 couldn't just quietly leave. It had to come in for one more blow. This sucks. I just keep reminding myself that 2021 is the year we get to start cleaning up this mess personally and politically.

One mess I would like to see cleaned up is putting a lot more Karen Laws on the books. We need to bring civility back to public life by holding these entitled Karens (of both sexes) accountable for their racism and their tantrums.

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Now, I'm hearing "end times" nonsense from a family member (Original Post) citizen blues Jan 2021 OP
This is a death cult-- it manifests in these different ways-- dawg day Jan 2021 #1
Death cults are full of people afraid to die Yeehah Jan 2021 #28
Tell him his story has too many moving parts and DURHAM D Jan 2021 #2
"Yeah, "soon." And the "endtimes" never happen. Archae Jan 2021 #3
I thought I ws wrong one. 3Hotdogs Jan 2021 #13
Must be hard to see this from someone so close...sorry you have to deal with this too. dutch777 Jan 2021 #4
I hope he gets the mental health care that he needs ... mr_lebowski Jan 2021 #5
Don't make assumptions. Just wait for the season to pass. Klaralven Jan 2021 #6
Christian End-Times have been going on since the First Century. TheBlackAdder Jan 2021 #7
The problem I see with End-Times Christians PatSeg Jan 2021 #30
Yet, those who spirit forth Armageddon are actually the most anti-Christian and won't go to heaven. TheBlackAdder Jan 2021 #31
And they will never see it PatSeg Jan 2021 #33
THIS is how i see it as well!! bluestarone Jan 2021 #32
That's what's odd. If they will go to heaven and sit by Jesus anyway, why destroy everything? TheBlackAdder Jan 2021 #34
My guess is they THINK they are Gods messenger? bluestarone Jan 2021 #38
Rather bizarre, isn't it? PatSeg Jan 2021 #35
It really is BIZARRE!! bluestarone Jan 2021 #40
Maybe Scripture should have had PatSeg Jan 2021 #41
Oh, boy. Sorry you have to deal with that kind of mindset. brush Jan 2021 #8
Maybe the rabbi will name trump as Ilsa Jan 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyWulf Jan 2021 #10
Ask him if he thinks the rabbi in Israel could be in contact with trump 😉 & if he thinks it's him lunasun Jan 2021 #11
Not "sort of" antisemitic. It's antisemitic af! ShazzieB Jan 2021 #25
Just another paradox in the Rapture Ready Gang's beliefs susanr516 Jan 2021 #42
And somehow... Blue Owl Jan 2021 #12
respond and tell him the word is Coming, not COMMING Skittles Jan 2021 #14
And that the Bible features prophecies rather than proficiencies. n/t Mister Ed Jan 2021 #18
I noticed that, too DFW Jan 2021 #21
I was wondering wtf "Bible proficencies" were. ShazzieB Jan 2021 #24
I would guess that's autocorrected KatyMan Jan 2021 #36
As an atheist, I don't even buy into the first coming. panader0 Jan 2021 #27
Whenever my relatives talked about the rapture, I asked if I can have their car Bucky Jan 2021 #15
Great response MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #16
GREAT comeback!! bluestarone Jan 2021 #39
Whether or not the chief rabbi said anything of the sort, many have done so before and since Jesus. hedda_foil Jan 2021 #17
"What chief rabbi said that? Name him or her, please." nt. Mariana Jan 2021 #19
Christianity began as an end-times cult and has remained ever so. Maru Kitteh Jan 2021 #20
Is it wrong to sell rapture insurance for pet care? TuskMoar Jan 2021 #22
Ask him if he is aware that he is repeating anti-Semitic crap? Judaism doesn't support the belief Doodley Jan 2021 #23
I'm sorry but your brother is nuts. panader0 Jan 2021 #26
They've had SO MANY end times in the past 20 years, it is shocking to see Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #29
Little ass-backward here... Politicalgolfer Jan 2021 #37
Kushner talkinghand Jan 2021 #43

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
1. This is a death cult-- it manifests in these different ways--
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:32 AM
Jan 2021

Daring Covid, denying loved ones, and then this crazy apocalypse talk.
I worry about the children of people like this-- listening to their parents speak approvingly of the world ending soon.

Yeehah

(6,486 posts)
28. Death cults are full of people afraid to die
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 09:19 AM
Jan 2021

They are promised a wonderful afterlife in exchange for their fealty to whatever messiah is making money for its creators.

DURHAM D

(33,054 posts)
2. Tell him his story has too many moving parts and
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:32 AM
Jan 2021

you couldn't follow. Will wait for the movie.

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
3. "Yeah, "soon." And the "endtimes" never happen.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:34 AM
Jan 2021

If your brother has fell into that shit, there may be nothing to do but wait him out.

Even Harold Camping, before he died, finally admitted he was dead wrong.

dutch777

(5,068 posts)
4. Must be hard to see this from someone so close...sorry you have to deal with this too.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:37 AM
Jan 2021

its hard to believe how much whackadoodle is out there. And I bet some schmuck is fertilizing this thinking on line and charging people to read and people are buying it. Very sick!

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
7. Christian End-Times have been going on since the First Century.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:42 AM
Jan 2021

.

Like those Nostradamus prophecies, people always look for current signs to try and make them applicable.

I remember when Muammar Gaddafi was supposed to the the Purple Robe wearer signifying the Great War.

Where is he now?

.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
30. The problem I see with End-Times Christians
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:15 PM
Jan 2021

is they want the rapture so badly, that they sometimes do things to speed it up, a self-fulfilling prophecy. Why wear a mask or social distance, as a plague is part of the End-Times. I think many fundamentalists know what an immoral, corrupt man Trump is, but he may fit into their vision of the End Times. They want to be resurrected so badly, they will not only turn a blind eye to evil, they may even encourage it (or vote for it).

Instead of using their religion to live better and more principled lives, they are using it to help end civilization.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
31. Yet, those who spirit forth Armageddon are actually the most anti-Christian and won't go to heaven.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:18 PM
Jan 2021

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
33. And they will never see it
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jan 2021

even though Jesus explained it quite clearly in the Scriptures that they love to tout all the time.

bluestarone

(22,179 posts)
32. THIS is how i see it as well!!
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jan 2021

They are in a hurry for some dumb ass reason!! I'm in NO HURRY lol!

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
34. That's what's odd. If they will go to heaven and sit by Jesus anyway, why destroy everything?
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:28 PM
Jan 2021

bluestarone

(22,179 posts)
38. My guess is they THINK they are Gods messenger?
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jan 2021

Like the ones that always come to your door to spread the word? Ask them, and they will tell you that God told them to spread the word.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
35. Rather bizarre, isn't it?
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:32 PM
Jan 2021

If heaven exists, I'm quite sure it will wait for them. And if there is some grand divine plan, it is pretty arrogant to believe you can accelerate it just to fulfill you own desires, not to mention delusional.

bluestarone

(22,179 posts)
40. It really is BIZARRE!!
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:39 PM
Jan 2021

Seems like they DO NOT believe what their good book says. ("NO ONE will know when the end of times are near&quot

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
41. Maybe Scripture should have had
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:54 PM
Jan 2021

some kind of disclaimer - "And no one shall try to supersede god's plan". Maybe throw in some threat of eternal damnation for emphasis! Oh, never mind, they wouldn't read it anyway. They cherry pick the bible to suit their own beliefs and desires.

Ilsa

(64,377 posts)
9. Maybe the rabbi will name trump as
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:47 AM
Jan 2021

their messiah, and really screw with the fundamentalists.

Response to citizen blues (Original post)

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
11. Ask him if he thinks the rabbi in Israel could be in contact with trump 😉 & if he thinks it's him
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:53 AM
Jan 2021

Actually you were nice I guess but it comes off all sort of anti Semitic too
Get right with Jesus before the Jews unleash the antichrist and start the end of times ?
I’m not Jewish but I wouldn’t want to be blamed for bringing an antichrist in to this believer’s weird world of fear.
you have a reason to be concerned about the new strange beliefs but also about Covid
Wonder where it’s all coming from

susanr516

(1,512 posts)
42. Just another paradox in the Rapture Ready Gang's beliefs
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 04:24 PM
Jan 2021

They are both Zionists and anti Semitic. In the warped end times version most of my family believe, the Temple must be rebuilt in Jerusalem before God eventually destroys the world and all but 144,000 Jews. Some of them have "Pray for Israel" bumper stickers on their vehicles. They love Israel, but can't care less about its citizens--or anyone else in the Middle East, for that matter. Honestly, believing in lizard people and/or that 5G transmissions are the cause of Covid-19 make more sense than a lot their "end times" bs.

Blue Owl

(59,111 posts)
12. And somehow...
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 01:00 AM
Jan 2021

A greed-driven, dishonest, immoral, egocentric, sociopathic mass murderer not getting re-elected is all part of the great downfall.

Complete. Insanity.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
21. I noticed that, too
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 03:17 AM
Jan 2021

Bible proficiency? Sounds like the best Christmas present one could have gotten him is a course of ESL (English as a Second Language).

Sorry anyone is having to through this, but if he‘s to be saved, it‘s time to toss him an oxygen tank and a secure line to the surface ASAP. With a text like his, he‘s fast sinking lower than where the light of day penetrates.

ShazzieB

(22,592 posts)
24. I was wondering wtf "Bible proficencies" were.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 07:47 AM
Jan 2021

Couldn't figure that one out at all. Good catch!

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
15. Whenever my relatives talked about the rapture, I asked if I can have their car
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 02:08 AM
Jan 2021

"Can I have your car when the Lord calls you home?" quickly put a stop to inappropriate Thanksgiving dinner table conversation. Mom didn't approve, but dad couldn't stop giggling

hedda_foil

(16,985 posts)
17. Whether or not the chief rabbi said anything of the sort, many have done so before and since Jesus.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 02:17 AM
Jan 2021

So far it hasn't happened anymore than the Second Coming has happened though it's been predicted to happen countless times since the first coming ended up on a crucifix on a hill outside the city walls of Jerusalem.

Maru Kitteh

(31,765 posts)
20. Christianity began as an end-times cult and has remained ever so.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 03:11 AM
Jan 2021

It's baked in to the formula. A feature, not a bug.


Doodley

(11,914 posts)
23. Ask him if he is aware that he is repeating anti-Semitic crap? Judaism doesn't support the belief
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 06:30 AM
Jan 2021

of an "anti-Christ."

Vivienne235729

(3,748 posts)
29. They've had SO MANY end times in the past 20 years, it is shocking to see
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 10:03 AM
Jan 2021

They haven't figured out yet that maybe, juuuust maybe, it is a hoax.

Politicalgolfer

(317 posts)
37. Little ass-backward here...
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jan 2021

.....we are the one who got the Anti-Christ first...'cause we're Number One, don't ya know. The Rabbi is off by 4 years and looking in the wrong country😛

talkinghand

(1,309 posts)
43. Kushner
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 07:59 PM
Jan 2021

Jared Kushner may well be the 2nd beast -the false prophet who points to the Antichrist. And Trump may very well be the beast. The 2nd beast will be a Jew - he comes out of the earth symbolic of Judaism. The first beast comes from the sea symbolic of gentiles.

Kushner is a Jew and not only that he’s of the extreme sect that believes they must force their messiah’s coming by manipulating world events. He has his tentacles everywhere already - prominent works leaders on speed dial, daily phone calls to Kissinger, a big loan from Soros plus now selling bonds in Israel. He’s also on the phone with his family’s friend Netanyahu. Constantly.

We don’t know but the Rabbi may well have Kushner in his sights as “messiah.” The last “messiah” died a few years ago and Kushner made a point of visiting his graveside.

Kushner owns the 666 5th Ave building which for some reason he way overpaid for. Inside the building Lucent technologies manufactures RFID chips. The chips have names like Inferno.

He’s married to the most powerful man in the world’s daughter, and with zero qualifications steered two presidential campaigns plus basically ran foreign and domestic policy for the USA the past four years. He said COVID was a blue state thing let it spread. He is Teflon and has escaped Covid and myriad scandals in the administration.

Trump can be the Assyrian Antichrist as his family is from the part of Germany the Assyrians populated long ago. Romans occupied the countryside there filling another Beast criteria. His mesmerizing Hitler-like speeches contain the dark sentences the Bible mentions, he’s of fierce countenance, and like his father the devil the truth is not in him. Got into and maintains power through flatteries. There isn’t another contemporary Antichrist candidate who ticks off so many boxes.

The fact that Jared Kushner props Trump up is indicative of the second beast/first beast relationship. Remember in the Bible the first beast double crosses the Jewish one and worships a new god of fortresses - finally desecrating the Temple by declaring himself God.

So let your misguided MAGA relative in on this interpretation - these Trump worshippers are under strong delusion in these ends times.

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