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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 10:48 AM Jan 2021

Jaw-Dropping New CDC Figures Suggest True U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Approaching Half a Million


By Tommy Christopher Jan 2nd, 2021, 8:24 am

As the United States goes into the New Year breaking single-day records for coronavirus deaths, data from the Centers for Disease Control suggests the true cumulative U.S. death toll is approaching half a million.

Last week saw two new record daily totals of conformed Covid deaths of over 3,700, and as of Friday, the official U.S. death toll was 347,870. That’s according to the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Dashboard, which is generally regarded as the official source for confirmed coronavirus figures.

But according to the latest available figures from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the true current death toll is likely much greater — and could surpass half a million in a matter of weeks.

CDC tracks the number of deaths reported in excess of the average number of expected deaths based on prior years, and the latest figures show that since the pandemic began, 431,792 more people than expected have died. But those figures only measure excess deaths through the week ending December 19, when the official confirmed death toll was at 316,000. Since then, another 31,000 lost souls have been added to the official count. Excess deaths during the pandemic have hovered around twenty percent, meaning that in the past two weeks, it’s likely that an additional 6,000 deaths have been undercounted — meaning the current number of excess deaths is likely around 470,000.

The news comes as vaccinations lag far behind what is necessary to end the pandemic — and portends months more of escalating national tragedy. The University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation projects an additional 200,000 U.S. coronavirus deaths by April.

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Jaw-Dropping New CDC Figures Suggest True U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Approaching Half a Million (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2021 OP
K&R, "431,792 more people than expected have died.." there's NO DOUBT Putin's Whore is undercounting uponit7771 Jan 2021 #1
People need to be in jail for this shit. Botany Jan 2021 #7
This shit? malaise Jan 2021 #8
Obama left the people, the protocols, and the materials in place that would have stopped the ... Botany Jan 2021 #11
And Biden's handling of H1N1 malaise Jan 2021 #13
We were also on our way to making a coronavirus vaccine (SARs) but that got cancelled too Botany Jan 2021 #14
But that is also a factor in why the vaccine came so fast malaise Jan 2021 #17
Yes! Botany Jan 2021 #38
+1, Desantis is going to join Red Don in another country for his crimes. uponit7771 Jan 2021 #30
Absolutely! pandr32 Jan 2021 #27
DUers have known this all along. BComplex Jan 2021 #2
Not just to make Trump look better, but even more, to make themselves look better n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2021 #3
There it is. dchill Jan 2021 #25
Since this started edhopper Jan 2021 #4
Hence the raid on the Florida woman, Rebekah Jones, who was releasing the real data on C-19 ... Botany Jan 2021 #5
she is suing them, BTW.......... Takket Jan 2021 #15
The problem with all these law suits is that it is the taxpayer who is penalized, not the criminals erronis Jan 2021 #21
I believe the judge that signed off on the warrent had just been appointed by DeSantis Botany Jan 2021 #39
To put this number in context... Hugin Jan 2021 #6
This is what the CDC website actually says: Mariana Jan 2021 #9
Legacy and Mainstream Media needs to make this change-over to the Mike 03 Jan 2021 #10
That 347,870 is off by thousands as well. Worldometers has it, counting Friday, Celerity Jan 2021 #12
I remember predicting... 2naSalit Jan 2021 #16
been saying it for a long time. mopinko Jan 2021 #18
I'd Like to Know Which States Have the Higher Undercounts Stallion Jan 2021 #19
Yep, we can start with Florida FakeNoose Jan 2021 #32
IHME's current projection (universal mask scenario) is that 2,890,060 die by April 1 2021. ancianita Jan 2021 #20
567,195 COVID-19 deaths projected in the US. Hugin Jan 2021 #22
Cheating on the numbers is twodogsbarking Jan 2021 #23
Consistent With What I've Been Hearing For Months ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #24
Plan curthayden Jan 2021 #26
Excessive deaths will also include other deaths as well. progressoid Jan 2021 #28
A little. But influenza deaths are down because of less transmission of THAT virus. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #34
Indeed Ollie Garkie Jan 2021 #36
Sadly drug overdoses are surging. progressoid Jan 2021 #40
Not surprised at all. nt Hekate Jan 2021 #29
And that doesn't even taken into account all the deaths to come from the holiday gatherings. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #31
Daily 9/11s because of Donny Six Words tRump ... Worst president ever. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #33
Kick dalton99a Jan 2021 #35
"In a few weeks??? My guess is that we are damned close now. I hope that the spirits of the dead niyad Jan 2021 #37
There is a Hell. It's here on earth living with monsters like Pissolini in power. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2021 #41
My gut feeling has been between 1 and 2 million. roamer65 Jan 2021 #42
It's hard to imagine that, in large part, one pathetic, parasitic narcissist has, at the very least, BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #43

Botany

(76,753 posts)
7. People need to be in jail for this shit.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:07 AM
Jan 2021

And it is not just Trump doing the under counting but look @ the raid on the Florida
Health Data Stats woman's house Rebekah Jones, by DeSantis' thugs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-authorities-raid-home-ex-official-who-said-she-was-n1250313

Botany

(76,753 posts)
11. Obama left the people, the protocols, and the materials in place that would have stopped the ...
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jan 2021

.... pandemic from happening. Oh well 2 million dead (that we know of) dead world wide.
But really what about Hillary's emails?

malaise

(294,306 posts)
13. And Biden's handling of H1N1
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jan 2021

Seriously this ignorant pompous monster should have been kept far away from any position of leadership - and his ReTHUG enablers are worse.

pandr32

(13,988 posts)
27. Absolutely!
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jan 2021

Trump and company want to downplay the virus because they have no clue how to govern. Trump shirks responsibility on every level and takes credit for things he has had nothing to do with--all while looting and golfing. It has worked, too. Many people still claim it isn't as deadly as the media is reporting since many of those deaths are from regular flu and people dying anyway.

BComplex

(9,810 posts)
2. DUers have known this all along.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 10:56 AM
Jan 2021

Friggin' republican governors trying to skew the numbers to try to make trump look better.

They're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

edhopper

(37,180 posts)
4. Since this started
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jan 2021

the MSM has refused to talk about the true death toll.

It pops up every once in a awhile and then shoved back into the abyss of media silence.

Botany

(76,753 posts)
5. Hence the raid on the Florida woman, Rebekah Jones, who was releasing the real data on C-19 ...
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jan 2021

... in the state by thugs (police) working for the Gov. DeSantis.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-authorities-raid-home-ex-official-who-said-she-was-n1250313

Not only was all this pandemic nightmare unnecessary and avoidable (Thanx Donny) but "they" have been lying
about the size of it too. People should be in prison for this shit! One more part of the largest crime in America's
history which was Russia's installation of D. Trump into the White House and the rigging of the 2016 elections.

Takket

(23,567 posts)
15. she is suing them, BTW..........
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:27 AM
Jan 2021

She should win that lawsuit pretty easily. It is about as open and shut a case as you'll see.........

another interesting tidbit when I went looking for the lawsuit........ Forbes named her "technology person of the year." Thanks Forbes!!!!!!!!

https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/fired-florida-data-scientist-rebekah-jones-named-forbes-technology-person-of-the-year/

“Regardless, she is the latest technologist who stepped up to fill the vacuum left by governments during COVID-19,” the article on Forbes’ website reads.

On Dec. 7, Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents served a search warrant on Jones’ home.
According to an FDLE spokesperson, agents believe someone at the Tallahassee home where they performed the search warrant illegally accessed the Florida Department of Health’s messaging system.

On Dec. 21, Jones filed a lawsuit, stating that FDLE “violated her rights under the First, Fourth, and Fourteenth Amendments,” and “terrorized” her family by coming in with “guns drawn.”

Jones is the first-ever recipient of the magazine’s Technology Person of the Year distinction.

erronis

(23,170 posts)
21. The problem with all these law suits is that it is the taxpayer who is penalized, not the criminals
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:52 AM
Jan 2021

in office who made it happen.

True for police crimes also.

Unless there is direct personal penalties such as real jail time, the crims will continue to milk the system. Also, just monetary fines against individuals are easily handled by wealthy libertarian donors.

Botany

(76,753 posts)
39. I believe the judge that signed off on the warrent had just been appointed by DeSantis
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 02:00 PM
Jan 2021

Not only go after the cops but those who gave the orders for the raid too.

Hugin

(37,627 posts)
6. To put this number in context...
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:05 AM
Jan 2021

The primary branches of the US military have the following numbers of active duty soldiers, aircrew, and sailors.



U.S. Army - 471,513
U.S. Marine Corps - 184,427
U.S. Navy - 325,802
U.S. Air Force - 320,811
U.S. Space Force - 2,501 (Yeah, yeah... I added them.)

Army National Guard - 336,879
Air National Guard - 106,549




Numbers from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces#Personnel_by_service

So, Trump and the Republican enablers have been responsible for wiping out as many people as there are active duty in any one of the military branches except the Army and even that is very close and will probably be exceeded in the next few weeks.

Mariana

(15,613 posts)
9. This is what the CDC website actually says:
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:12 AM
Jan 2021
Total predicted number of excess deaths since 2/1/2020 across the United States: 316,252 - 431,792.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

At the link you have to select a dashboard, "Number of Excess Deaths" to find this.

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
10. Legacy and Mainstream Media needs to make this change-over to the
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:12 AM
Jan 2021

official correct numbers before Biden takes office.

We've known for months the true figures are higher, and we see these studies and articles every month or so, going back to last summer.

Make the adjustment now! This is the Trump body count. We shouldn't dump a bunch of new dead people on Joe Biden's administration who died because of Trump, and died when Trump was president.

Celerity

(54,007 posts)
12. That 347,870 is off by thousands as well. Worldometers has it, counting Friday,
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jan 2021

at 356,450, so another 3400 or so death day today will kick it over 360,000.

ProfessorGAC

(76,188 posts)
24. Consistent With What I've Been Hearing For Months
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:15 PM
Jan 2021

I know some actuaries and they've been saying 20-30% more than reported since late spring.

progressoid

(52,830 posts)
28. Excessive deaths will also include other deaths as well.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 12:51 PM
Jan 2021

It's likely that many of those deaths were due to other medical conditions going unaddressed because of a lack of medical care during the pandemic. Thousands of surgeries were postponed or cancelled. Mental health declined (suicide). etc.

I personally know of someone who was supposed to get an experimental cancer drug but approval was put on hold due to the pandemic restrictions. She died three weeks ago.



Ollie Garkie

(348 posts)
36. Indeed
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 01:39 PM
Jan 2021

How many excess deaths from Covid and how many from unaddressed normal medical needs?
getting a doctors appointment is running a gauntlet now if it wasnt before. On the other hand,
what about some causes of death going down? Like car accidents, alcohol poisoning, drug overdoses
from less kids partying?

SunSeeker

(57,917 posts)
31. And that doesn't even taken into account all the deaths to come from the holiday gatherings.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 01:23 PM
Jan 2021

It will be a very dark winter.

niyad

(130,633 posts)
37. "In a few weeks??? My guess is that we are damned close now. I hope that the spirits of the dead
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 01:51 PM
Jan 2021

haunt that f'n, murdering, orange traitor every moment of every day. Him and every single member of his murderously, deliberately incompetent cabal, oops, administration. And every enabler and sycophant.

I wish I believed in Hell.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,482 posts)
41. There is a Hell. It's here on earth living with monsters like Pissolini in power.
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 06:00 PM
Jan 2021

And I believe we're well past the "official" numbers of COVID (and especially if we include COVID related) deaths.

The very fact of them putting out the idea that Dems are inflating the numbers tells me that Rs are under-reporting. They always accuse others of what they've done, are doing, or are planning to do.

And I would like to know how, if this is a liberal plot to discredit Agent Orange (as if he needs help doing that), what about all the deaths worldwide? I guess all the other countries, even the Right Wing ones, are in on the plot.

I also would like to know how Trump's death cult believes both that COVID is a hoax and that their Dear Leader had it and beat it in superhero fashion.

I was not meant to live in a world where this much lack of reason prevails. It's mind-boggling and heartbreaking.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,182 posts)
43. It's hard to imagine that, in large part, one pathetic, parasitic narcissist has, at the very least,
Sat Jan 2, 2021, 07:58 PM
Jan 2021

ALLOWED a foul plague to infect and all but cripple a superpower to feed his own ego, and, in his "mind," add an aura of toughness to his so-called legacy.

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