Do you truly believe that Trump received 74 million votes?

[kentuck]

Consider that his modus operandi is to project onto others what he himself is guilty of doing.

Also, when he says the election was "rigged", perhaps he rigged it?

There were some questionable numbers coming out of the states that used the ES&S voting machines.

Is it possible that he rigged those machines to get himself a few million extra votes and guarantee his re-election? Or does anyone think that he would never attempt something like that?

He was always questioning the mail-in ballots, with a paper trail, but never the voting machines that are capable of being manipulated?

I'm not so sure that he got 74 million votes. I think he may have cheated?

[Rorey]

1. No

No, I don't believe he legitimately got that many votes. I think you're right.

[TexasTowelie]

2. No.

I don't see how he received 10 million more votes than he did in 2016.

[smirkymonkey]

3. Neither do I.

If anything, he has lost voters since then. It is doubtful that he picked up another 10 million followers.

[Progressive Jones]

23. Thank You.

Not sure he even got that many in 2016.

[Doodley]

4. Yes, I believe it was rigged in Trump's favor. How can the polls be so far out in so many of the

swing states, but accurate in others?

[montanacowboy]

5. Especially in Maine

Where I doubt Collins won. Yes, I believe him capable of everything and anything. He is the lowest form of human, debased and craven. I will be happy to celebrate his death.

[former9thward]

39. Where is the evidence?

Who is covering up? Why didn't the Maine Democratic party or the National Democratic party challenge the results (especially since it is so close for Senate control)?

[JI7]

6. Yes. I live in California where there are lots of Trump supporters

There are more who hate him but that he has support and there are lots of shitty people in the country is not surprising.

They voted for Reagan and w Bush and all the assholes in Senate and house.

[BlueCanine]

40. Reagan gave us...

..in California Jerry Brown who was the first 'cool' gov. Plus he dated Linda Ronstadt (swoon). After Jerry we got a couple of Republicans with Deukmejian and Wilson. Gray Davis a low key Dem who was recalled by mostly outside money. I couldn't believe that then my home state actually elected Schwarzenegger. Then along came Jerry again for two terms, what a relief.

Now we have Newsom and the Republican machine is trying to recall him with outside money over, get this, restrictions mandated by the state to mitigate the corona virus spread.

What lunacy.

We have to repeal citizens united, that is the only way to fix this kind of crap politics.

[Calista241]

41. So Citizens United is bad law, and should be repealed

But I’m not sure it’s working against us. There are a bunch of rich people that are Dem fundraisers. We’ve out raised Repubs for the last several presidential elections.

[BlueCanine]

56. Trying to make bad...

..legislation work for the good of the people is like using a smaller shovel to dig a hole. You don't get much more done and you work much harder to dig your way out.

Better to strike down the law and redefine the citizen issue to exclude corporate entities as citizens. IMO

[dweller]

7. No

Maybe 1/2 that, closer to his base #

✌🏻

[42bambi]

8. I've always thought that he rigged the election in his favor - and, it backfired. That's

probably one of the reasons he can't accept his loss. This was to be his final act as an actor and he didn't win an award. Operation Win didn't work - he's now tumbling down into Operation Doom!

[LizBeth]

9. no

[bullwinkle428]

10. In order to believe this, we would have to accept the idea that this country, or

at least a very significant percentage of it, is getting MEANER and DUMBER. I think we've honestly seen evidence to this point that this is at least a considered possibility.

[A HERETIC I AM]

14. A possibility?!?

Bank on it

An extraordinary number of Americans are utter fucking morons and that is by design.

[NJCher]

17. I've accepted that idea

Just look at the mask wearing. This literally is a matter of life or death and they cannot understand that.

Mean and dumb. Mean because they care not a whit for the health care workers who are driven to exhaustion due to their stupidity. Mean because they endanger the lives of everyone else when they refuse to wear a mask.

Dumb because they fall for a charlatan like trump. They emulate him, even after he, too, contracted the virus.

[davekriss]

11. I speculate that is exactly what happened

The thugs who arranged to flip votes (via more than one hard to detect technique) did what they thought was sufficient for Trump to win again. They fell short. The numbers for Biden were like a tsunami of blue. Trump, believing his best-brain genius arranged a win again, has just found it hard to believe he lost. He wrongly concludes that the other side was doing what he knows his side had done.

I think something similar happened in 2012 when Rove flipped out on the air when Fox News called the election for Obama. That time, instead, hackers took down a man-in-the-middle scheme where vote tabulators, mostly on Republican-owned servers, failed to flip the votes.

Pure speculation on my part, of course.

[questionseverything]

28. It isn't that votes are flipped

It’s that a new results page with different results cover the original page

The end result is the same as flipping but it’s more like adjusting the readout

Here’s an example.... in 2016 hc “lost” Wisconsin by 21,000 votes,since their are 3200 wards it takes less than 7 votes per ward average to change result

No one checks that the precinct result plus ab result plus early result equals the reported result and if they did and it was only off by a couple no one would even suspect fraud, they would just say, human err

[A HERETIC I AM]

12. Absolutely without a doubt

He has revealed just how many Americans truly want a country for white people ONLY, not to mention a religious, fascist dictatorship

So hell yes, he got that many.

[judesedit]

13. Not for a minute

[mrsadm]

15. I *fear* that it is true

and I believe that it may be true.

[texasfiddler]

16. Unfortunately, it does not surprise me that he got 10 million more votes than he did in 2016

This is not scientific on my part. I suspected before the 2020 election he was going to get more votes. Another unfortunate thing is I look like a Trump voter and MAGATS open up to me. I was shocked to find out who was voting for Trump in 2020. This election has put me in a massive funk. I am glad Biden won. I wrote ~100 letters with vote forward to swing states because of my concern of the dotard's support. The fact is rural and small town America hates Democrats like me and you. I just hope they become dejected that their dear leader lost and go back under their rocks and changing demographics shift things more permanently.

[bearsfootball516]

18. Yes, I do. I live in blood red Indiana.

People who live in blue cities don't realize how many Trump-humping MAGATs there are in red states. They are EVERYWHERE. Every time you drive past someone, there's a 75 percent chance it's a Trump-voting conservative.

I absolutely believe he got 74 million votes, unfortunately.

[Phoenix61]

19. The election wasn't "rigged" by either side.

Twitler got more votes than he did the first time and Biden got even more votes than Twitler. I’m so over this from either side.

[Skittles]

20. that is WAY harder to believe than Biden getting 81 milion votes

absolutely

but yeah, I see stupid people everywhere

[William769]

21. If we believe Biden won fair & square & believe it was a secure election

Then yes.

Sorry, can't have it both ways.

[634-5789]

22. MUCH more concerning: #MoscowMitch's victory with more votes than voters.

[lilmamba]

24. When he says the election was rigged and the democrats cheated...

...I absolutely think he was projecting. Now he may not have rigged the voting machines, but I can definitely see him attempting to get an illegitimate advantage in the election through various ways.

One thing we know for sure is he slowed down the post office on purpose.

When Biden hires his AG and if they begin an independent investigation on the election, I’m almost positive other stuff will be uncovered. I hope they do.

[Azathoth]

25. Yes. Full stop.

Even if there was cheating at the margins designed to influence the electoral college count, the broad results are definitely accurate.

Anyone who doesn't believe that 40%+ of this country is actively on-board with Trump is living in a bubble or a dreamworld. Trumpers, loud and quiet, are *everywhere*. There's a reason that extreme-right conservative entertainment is a multi-billion dollar industry.

[relayerbob]

26. No

[Empowerer]

27. Yes, I do

And it's hard to believe that the results on Trump's side are rigged/fake while those that favor Biden are accurate

[questionseverything]

30. if i was a repub with friends that owned the machines that count votes

even if I couldn't steal enough votes to change the outcome I would like to make it appear close instead of a landslide win by the democrat

so bidens win could be accurate even tho his totals were depressed

just saying that is certainly possible

[LaMouffette]

29. In 2016, Trump got 62,979,879 votes. In 2020, 74 million. So almost 12 million new supporters???

No, I do not believe Trump received 74 million votes. I expected him to receive fewer votes than in 2016, since the people who voted for him had four years to witness the atrocities he committed in office. In 2016, they didn't know how bad he was going to be. By 2020, at least some of them had to be appalled by his behavior and incompetence and corruption.

So I could see him getting almost the same number of votes, maybe a few more inducted into the cult, but not 12 million more than in 2016.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

31. Yes.

[Downtown Hound]

32. I've long believed that Republicans cheat

But I also believe that they are only able to do so in a manner that effects maybe 2%-3% of votes. That's why polls always seem to be off in a manner that only benefits Republicans and almost never Democrats. That's why when the polls are close, the Republican almost always seems to be the one who manages to scrape out a win.

So while I do have my suspicions that yes, Donald Trump might have cheated and did not really win 74 million votes, I do believe he did probably win somewhere around 70 million. No matter how you slice it, the sad truth is that a lot of Americans are just fucking morons, cheating or no cheating.

[FakeNoose]

38. Bingo - exactly that!

Another thing the Repukes have done for probably 25 or 30 years: they participate in telephone survey polls and they outright LIE. They claim to be Democrats and they say they're voting for the Dem candidate. Then they go and actually vote for the Repuke candidate. The pollsters are left scratching their heads, trying to explain why the numbers don't match up.

Pre-election polls cannot be believed in this country because the Repukes deliberately lie. Polls are less than worthless.

[58Sunliner]

33. I don't think Putin hacked for nothing in 2016.

DT and the pukes would do anything to win. Anything. We only picked up 9% more voters this election vs 2016. 2016 was 58%, 67% 2020. Still leaves over 32% who did not vote. Don't forget third party candidates. It is also a way to siphon votes, legitimately or otherwise.

[Maru Kitteh]

34. Yes.

[sarisataka]

35. If anyone says no he did not get that many votes,

then they are agreeing with the Republican position that there was widespread fraud.

To say he get not get the number of votes tallied for him is mutually exclusive with the position that the election was fair and there was no fraud.

[AmyStrange]

36. Yeah, it's hard to image that there are 74+ million BAT-SHIT CRAZY people out there...

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Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but if he did rig the election, why didn't he also rig the swing states? Maybe he did, but the folks who counted the ballots didn't fall for the way he rigged it, and that's why he's suing them, to get those rigged ballots counted.

Or, he got a crew of people to fake ballots and slip them into the system, hoping they'd get caught, and that would prove his assertion that the vote was a fraud.

That said, some folks do seem to think that Mitch the Mouth's election numbers don't add up either.
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[haele]

37. Maybe around 10/15 million less...

Karl Roves "within 2%" cheat tactic with over-counts in solid red counties that suddenly show a 95% turnout when normally they would only have 45 to at most 50% turnout.

I'd look at Iowa, Kentucky, and other solid red States for voter fraud. I suspect there's a significant number of mail in ballots where the signatures on the envelopes are scribble/illegible or seem to be written by the same person.

Haele

[ecstatic]

42. I do not believe he did. We know how trump operates. He tells us everything

we need to know by projecting his crimes onto others.

[ellie]

43. No.

[Baltimike]

44. "In 2016, Trump cheated and won. In 2020, Trump cheated and lost"

The great Morgan Freeman

[llmart]

45. Nope.

And I'll never believe he "won" in 2016.

[brooklynite]

46. I'll give this the same consideration I guess Trump's claim of rigged voting machines. None.

Sad to know that we can compete with Republicans when it comes to unsupported conspiracy theories.

[Doodley]

47. Does anyone here believe that Trump would not cheat given the opportunity? Or that he would

encourage it? For God's sake, he's trying to steal the election right now, so it is clear he has the motive. Does he have the means to do it? The means would be the right people willing to make it happen. Does anyone believe there aren't people who would go to any lengths to try to give the election to Trump? Does anyone believe that our electronic voting system cannot be hacked? To those who refute the possibility, ask these questions.

[DavidDvorkin]

48. Unfortunately, yes.

[JCMach1]

49. The fix was was in, but it was such a blowout they lost anyway

...why Trump can't accept it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. Nope. Tried to rig it in his favor. Didn't work. That's what he can't believe.

[newdayneeded]

51. yes

But I also believe at least 30 mil of those votes were because of the R after his name. They held their noses and voted for him without a lot of like for him.

[roamer65]

52. No.

[beaglelover]

53. Yes, I believe in the integrity of the 2020 election results in November.

[Demsrule86]

61. I do too.

[KentuckyWoman]

54. Yes, I do.

I won't say NO local precinct allowed shenanigans Even in GOP stronghold precincts like Redbush (Enterprise), KY they took great pains to be sure the local election would stand up to the harshest scrutiny and Johnson County likewise.

[byronius]

55. No way.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

57. No. Where paper ballots are used, the numbers align with polling.

[DFW]

58. I believe that ESS machines recorded that he got 74 million votes

That is about as far as my credulity stretches.

[LeftInTX]

59. Yes

Texas is full of Trumpers. He got 5,668,731 in Florida, 5,890,347 in Texas, 6,006,429 in CA, 3,251,230 in NY, 2,446,891 in Ill, 3,154,834, in PA, 3,378,263 in Ohio, the votes add up

[rpannier]

63. Ill, 3,154,834

Spend enough time in the very n.w. corner of Illinois, central and southern Illinois, you'd believe he got 3 mil+

[Demsrule86]

60. I think there was a serious effort to disenfranchise

Voters before the election. The usual crap cutting people from the voting registry. Create long lines. Republicans manipulated the post office and they sued everyone. But I think Trump did receive the votes. But we had more votes... millions more. We had a great turnout and that helped us beat an incumbent which doesn’t happen often. And consider there were paper ballots so I think he did get that many votes which makes it so important to stick together. We beat him in the end. Joe Biden had more votes and was the perfect candidate to take on Trump.

[rpannier]

62. Yes, I do

Over the last forty years the country has gotten more selfish, angrier and more paranoid
I believe Biden got about 80m and il douche got 70 mil

[GreenEyedLefty]

64. Yes. Sadly.

With that said, I do wonder about races like the senate race in South Carolina (Harrison vs. Graham). That one blew the polling (had been +/- 1%) out of the water. I found it odd.

[Celerity]

65. Yes.

[Raine]

66. Yes I do

there's easily that many who would vote for him in this country.

[Piasladic]

67. yes

sadly, yes

[Maeve]

68. Yes. I worked the polls

I saw record turnout in my red precinct--including a couple wearing masks that said "THIS IS TYRANNY". The loons who usually don't vote turned out to support their racist hero.
But the blue wave turned out MORE. That is reality and reality beats the reality show.