Seriously need to knock off the AOC hate here

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:43 PM

Just_Vote_Dem (2,019 posts)

1. K & R

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:44 PM

Bettie (13,701 posts)

2. +1

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:46 PM

regnaD kciN (25,201 posts)

3. She backed Pelosi two years ago, too...

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:50 PM

Deuxcents (6,559 posts)

4. C-SPAN

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:48 PM

DownriverDem (5,519 posts)

49. I was surprised that

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:54 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

5. I suggest positive posts with her name attached, not this kind of thing.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:04 PM

Roy Rolling (5,880 posts)

18. Little Dissident Donors

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:50 PM

GB_RN (1,561 posts)

53. Nah.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:23 PM

jaxexpat (3,879 posts)

140. It's even simpler than that. They just hate hope.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:09 PM

ancianita (27,842 posts)

22. Yes. Not tooting my horn but this is the quickest example I can find.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:39 PM

Cobalt Violet (9,839 posts)

42. Its' good to call out hate.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:06 PM

ramen (633 posts)

60. Hi, little 'dissident donor' to AOC here who also supports Pelosi as Speaker and is thrilled that

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:10 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

89. Ramen, those who support both are of course not

angered at this vote. You must realize the enormous difference between them and you.

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 12:54 PM

Mariana (14,021 posts)

167. That must be an example of the "positive posts with her name attached"

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:43 PM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

78. I couldn't resist going over to that weird place that used to have Bernie Sanders on their homepage

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:05 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

84. Oh, my to that last. nt

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

95. Still trying to figure out #ForceTheVote -- apparently The Squad was supposed to do a quid pro quo

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

110. :) Just looked. Uygur's sounding like a beacon of responsibility (!)

as he explains repeatedly to the enraged how votes are counted. "Easy being destructive. You have to come up with a plan to be constructive." They really don't, they were happy to destroy, but their indomitable people's force ran into the Democrats' "no" face and they don't understand what happened there either.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 PM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

111. Uh oh, under the bus go Cenk and TYT.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 11:32 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

112. :) Typical puritopian (how's that for a word?) dysfunction.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:33 AM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

113. They seem to think Pelosi is the only roadblock to an MFA vote.

And if there was a vote it would overwhelmingly pass.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:25 AM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

119. Astonishingly. If this were really about healthcare,

their leaders would idolize Pelosi and ask how they can help instead of trying to blow up "MfA" under her feet. That label is being used by this little dissident group's leadership against the party of healthcare for god's sake!, and I swing between exasperation and pity for their earnest victims. Irritating as hell.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 08:06 AM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

124. Yes, it isn't about health care.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:16 PM

PatSeg (43,124 posts)

144. I agree that it isn't about healthcare

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:34 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

154. No, not quite! :) Those like them in the New Deal era fought

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:45 PM

PatSeg (43,124 posts)

156. I think many of them

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 06:00 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

157. You became more knowledgeable and sophisticated. Same for me,

but I was never so young I believed the noise that all liberal politicians were corrupt. that "corrupt corporatist" silliness. My own liberal ideals and goals were firm and I just knew that couldn't be the case. Of course, I had the "advantage" of hanging with a whole pack of both passive and potentially violent anti-establishment types in the late 60s (my older boyfriend's circles). That familiarity and cringing contempt syndrome, and I've been recognizing their various types ever since. “It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing.’ It’s still shit." ~ Nina Turner on voting for Joe Biden

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 06:51 PM

PatSeg (43,124 posts)

158. Oh yes, same here

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 11:41 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

161. Hey, was that you? :)

We couldn’t guess just how much hard work by so many and how much cooperation and compromise goes into progress, and how much time, but at least normal people have the capacity to respect that it’s about all of us and what we all want. But there are always those who despise the impediments of democracy, have such contempt for the will of the people, that they call it corruption and themselves crusaders to excuse their rage at its power and desire to smash. Turner’s shit they have to eat, always blamed on some evil group, but it’s really the majorities with their own ideas they rage at.

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 10:19 AM

PatSeg (43,124 posts)

164. "call....themselves crusaders to excuse their rage"

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 11:23 AM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

165. So agree with so much. A little problem with some whose ideals

we can admire is that the more frustrated and estranged from the mainstream these sorts are, the more anti-democracy most become. They work it out in their minds that, for the good of society, people who don't agree with them shouldn't be able to vote their blind delusions. Yet, as you indicate, their very extremism means they couldn't possibly make what they want come about, lacking many of the competencies needed. I once read a biography about Eugene Debbs and remember a quote from a friend that he was too good for this world. My take was that he was far too dysfunctional and what a shame the talents he did have were so badly wasted but also how fortunate for many tens of millions that they were. Helped save me from being born into one of the totalitarian socialist states of the 1950s instead of the height of New Deal era. Maybe that last is a big part of it, but with all our faults and imperfections, I believe society is best as a collection of individuals pursing their own notions of happiness, rather than the "more" we could be if organized into group collectives. ****** Hey, here's a question for anyone: Why on earth aren't those who admire socialism starting and/or working at collectively owned socialized businesses? Shouldn't there be thousands all over the nation by now? Big and small collectives, with wonderfully secure and satisfied owner-workers, serving as shining beacons that highlight the failures of dying capitalism?

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 12:24 PM

PatSeg (43,124 posts)

166. I've enjoyed this discussion so much, very stimulating

As I was reading your comment, it dawned on me that these extremists who are striving for a perfect world are often paving the way for a dictatorship, being they will not accept the fact that the majority may not agree with their goals or tactics. Often their perceived needs for society are so urgent, that there is no time for democracy. Of course, we've seen all this play out around the world before, in the form of totalitarian communist states. A handful of idealists who may be very sincere in their motives, think they know what is best for everyone else, so we'll just set aside democracy temporarily until we get everything up and running in the new order. Of course, "temporary" turns into years and decades, until democracy becomes a very faint and distant memory. Democracy eventually can be restored, but it now has to be rebuilt from the ground up. It is the arrogance and hubris of these idealistic leaders that often ends up being their downfall. They were and are so very sure that THEY know what is best for everyone else. "Its for their own good." The irony is that they become obsessed with the same kind of power that they fought against when they were younger. An endless recycling of the same power structures because democracy was viewed as imperfect and nonessential. The problem with democracy is we may have to accept policies and laws that we disagree with. It is the price we pay to have our voices be heard, but there are no guarantees we will get our way. You know, that is an excellent point about collectives. That sounds like a much more productive way for many of these activists to utilize their energies and implement their ideals. Maybe not as sexy though, would take a long time, and probably wouldn't get them a lot of media attention. Tom Hayden: Are we using the trial to defend ourselves against very serious charges that could land us in prison for ten years, or to say a pointless "fuck you" to the establishment?

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 01:02 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

168. A discussion of extremism. It's a real thing and we need

to recognize it as such. Unfortunate for extremists that they've made the word have such bad connotations, but not unjust ones. They've been intensively studied and continue to be, for good reason. Our GA power company is a collective. Buy property in its area, you become a member. Of course, since the membership benefit is electrification of our rural area, the occasional monetary refunds that come to us wouldn't buy dinner out. "Jerry Rubin: Fuck you! Hayden: That is what I was afraid… ... If we leave without saying anything about why we came in the first place, it’ll be heartbreaking. If the jury finds us guilty, we’re not leaving at all. The only thing we need to say about why we came here is it wasn’t to incite violence." Lol, thanks for the memory. If only we'd had cable back then. After inadvertently helping elect Nixon in 1968, Hayden of course later went on to serve in the CA legislature, married Jane Fonda, gave a nod to Bernie Sanders but endorsed Hillary Clinton, and died right before seeing his nation elect Trump in 2016. Jerry Rubin, after retiring from anti-war activism, became an entrepreneur/businessman, was an early investor in Apple, said "wealth creation is the real American revolution. What we need is an infusion of capital into the depressed areas of our country," and died wealthy in 1994.

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 03:35 PM

PatSeg (43,124 posts)

169. I was working in downtown Chicago during the trial

My husband at the time started work later than I did, so he went to the courthouse and sat in on the trial most days. Besides reading about it every day in the newspaper, I got first hand accounts from him in the evening. He even rode in the elevator with a couple of them once. It was nonstop entertainment and Judge Hoffman was every bit as bad, if not worse, than he was portrayed in the movie. That's pretty ironic about Jerry Rubin and probably not an uncommon story about activists from that time. At least Hayden stayed true to his ideals and did participate in government. The one problem I had with the movie was they portrayed Jerry Rubin as an airhead and I don't recall him being that dense. I remember trying to convey to my children what it was like, but I know I didn't capture it adequately. The movie did what I couldn't though.

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 04:26 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

172. Oh, wow! What a place to be. Definitely better than cable. :)

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 03:37 PM

PatSeg (43,124 posts)

170. P.S. You're in Georgia?

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:10 PM

PatSeg (43,124 posts)

143. I don't really see any such hate here either

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:57 PM

jalan48 (13,195 posts)

6. What can you do? Pavlovian reflex. Foamers gonna foam.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:49 PM

Gore1FL (19,769 posts)

51. +1

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:58 PM

stillcool (32,604 posts)

7. it's too easy

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:01 PM

MustLoveBeagles (10,458 posts)

8. She backed Pelosi

Link to tweet Sometimes she deserves the critism she gets here and sometimes she doesn't. This time she didn't. Thank you AOC.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:58 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

10. When her name was called during her round she did not vote.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:02 PM

berni_mccoy (23,018 posts)

15. Maybe she was in the bathroom? Do you know why she wasn't there?

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:20 PM

Dem4Life1102 (3,974 posts)

32. Thanks

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:30 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

91. If only the vote was called alphabetically so she would have

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:53 AM

Celerity (30,807 posts)

116. +100000000

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:14 PM

MustLoveBeagles (10,458 posts)

28. That's true

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:23 PM

Dem4Life1102 (3,974 posts)

35. Yes

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:39 PM

MustLoveBeagles (10,458 posts)

43. I'm willing to give AOC the benefit of the doubt on this

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:40 PM

Dem4Life1102 (3,974 posts)

45. Exactly

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 03:49 PM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

171. +100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:22 PM

Blue_true (31,259 posts)

71. Sometimes that is strategic.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:16 PM

zentrum (9,836 posts)

29. Others who said this about her

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:40 PM

ShazzieB (7,175 posts)

44. Three words:

So. Freaking. What. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I just don't understand why the timing of her vote is such a BFD. She DID vote for Pelosi, after all. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get it.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:15 PM

paleotn (13,964 posts)

67. Can't we all just get along?

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:12 PM

rpannier (23,708 posts)

75. Passing this on

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:07 PM

barbtries (26,081 posts)

9. i'm glad i've missed them.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:59 PM

dchill (32,552 posts)

11. Exactly. Enough already!

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:59 PM

treestar (80,192 posts)

12. It's been in question before

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:00 PM

Miigwech (3,741 posts)

13. Agreed. She is a helpful firebrand for sure and that's what the party needs sometimes!

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:13 PM

zentrum (9,836 posts)

27. Yes! Yes! Yes!

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:41 PM

ShazzieB (7,175 posts)

46. Agreed.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:01 PM

PufPuf23 (7,751 posts)

14. Way too many negative and divisive posts about AOC.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:02 PM

gibraltar72 (6,721 posts)

16. Agree wholeheartedly

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:03 PM

NNadir (29,787 posts)

17. I agree. She is a very bright young woman with an outstanding wit. I disagree with her...

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:23 PM

MerryBlooms (11,020 posts)

34. I agree with you. I am disgusted by the attempts to turn AOC into an 'other'.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:05 PM

matt819 (10,540 posts)

19. Agreed

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:23 PM

BigOleDummy (1,391 posts)

152. Agreed

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:07 PM

denvine (752 posts)

21. Totally agree!

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:10 PM

Srkdqltr (3,680 posts)

23. There is a level of woman bashing on DU unfortunately.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:12 PM

zentrum (9,836 posts)

24. Agree with you 100%

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:12 PM

DeminPennswoods (14,117 posts)

25. Agree, she's an overall plus for Dems

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:12 PM

Cobalt Violet (9,839 posts)

26. I didn't see most of them.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:33 PM

Tommymac (6,671 posts)

38. Me too. One of the reasons I took a long vacation from DU.

But Solidarity is the key now and for the foreseeable future. We Dem's HAVE to learn how to get along inside Our Big Tent, how to disagree with respect and honor and not alienating those that have a different vision; or we will lose Our Democracy. Sooner rather then later.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:17 PM

JustABozoOnThisBus (22,203 posts)

30. Yes, it's time to form a circular firing squad; ...

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:18 PM

MerryBlooms (11,020 posts)

31. R&K 'lulz', 'bazinga', hand waving, back slapping, and especially let me add the

gaslighting... It's all your imagination, no one is doing that, no one hates her... There apparently were Dems who actually did vote against Pelosi, I don't think I've seen an OP on them yet... Hope springs eternal. Ha!

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:26 PM

Tommymac (6,671 posts)

36. Mine was one. Rep Conner Lamb Western PA.

But he made that campaign promise 2 years ago in our district during the special election. I applaud him for keeping his promise. He is a good man. Met him. Not as progressive as I like, I am a Fetterman Dem, but willing to listen with an open mind. Law and Order guy - stopping Opioid Addiction Epidemic in our district is his (and our) #1 priority. Centrist. Very purple district. I voted for him with no qualms twice.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:44 PM

MerryBlooms (11,020 posts)

48. Thank you for the information.

Looked up his vote history, and he's a progressive. It seems he had to distance himself from Pelosi in order to carry his district. Always good to go Blue, no matter what it takes. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/conor_lamb/412744

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:49 PM

Tommymac (6,671 posts)

50. Yes he did. I live in his district.

He is still a Centrist in my mind. But then I am as far left as Fetterman. It was a tougher fight 2 years ago when he ran in the Special Election. He was replacing a disgraced immoral long time Rethuglican, Tim Murphy who resigned. But they did redraw the district for 2020 and I think it is an easier one for him to win now. Conner will have that seat as long as he wants it. BTW, you are welcome!

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:08 PM

MerryBlooms (11,020 posts)

62. This is why I love DU. I learn so much every day.

One post leads to a search, another search, etc... Awesome.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:22 PM

yaesu (7,326 posts)

33. Younger generation Reps like AOC give me hope for the future. They are human, they will make

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:14 PM

flibbitygiblets (7,220 posts)

66. This 👆

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:26 PM

keithsw (436 posts)

37. I admire her tremendously

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:34 PM

Tommymac (6,671 posts)

39. This

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:34 PM

liberalmuse (18,477 posts)

40. Agreed, and thank you.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:39 PM

appalachiablue (36,516 posts)

41. It's done intentionally to provoke and divide & is unhealthy.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:43 PM

athenasatanjesus (858 posts)

47. AOC is not allowed to be pragmatic.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:55 PM

Cobalt Violet (9,839 posts)

55. Bit off topic here aren't you?

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:49 PM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

52. Well said...

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:51 PM

Always Randy (958 posts)

54. Build bridges not fences

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:56 PM

marble falls (45,872 posts)

56. I agree. I hope to live long enough to see her in leadership.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:01 PM

dawn5651 (393 posts)

57. she is the future of the party.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:48 PM

R B Garr (16,431 posts)

81. All the election results don't really support this,

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:42 PM

treestar (80,192 posts)

104. only the present matters

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 12:28 AM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

162. +100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:02 PM

Cyberologist (16 posts)

58. I don't hate AOC

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:36 AM

Celerity (30,807 posts)

121. In what way is AOC a backstabber? That's a vicious attack against an elected Democratic House Member

How the hell did she stab you with knives in your back? You have been on DU for over 4 and a half years, and one of your grand total of EIGHT posts in that entire time is a flat out smear of a Democratic House member? You should self delete.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 09:42 AM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

130. AOC said Joe Biden wouldn't be in the same party as she in another country because

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 11:01 AM

Celerity (30,807 posts)

131. Of course she would not be, as the US is one of the very few Western democracies with no

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 12:31 AM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

163. Not the point. It's not true that Biden is a neoliberal corporatist and isn't progressive.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:04 PM

LanternWaste (37,748 posts)

59. As well as the corollary.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:06 PM

berni_mccoy (23,018 posts)

61. She's a hard working Democratic Congresswoman

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:09 PM

LanternWaste (37,748 posts)

63. No one is arguing differently.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:11 PM

berni_mccoy (23,018 posts)

65. What does that mean exactly. I certainly see way more negative comments than anything like that

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:17 PM

LanternWaste (37,748 posts)

69. There are specific definitions to each word I used.

And if you are unable or unwilling to see comments fawning over even the most benign or inconsequential tweet she makes, that's on you. If you are unable or unwilling to see the day to day criticisms received by other Dems that are discussed without the aggressive defenses and rationalizations made for her, that's on you. I'm not emotionally invested in her, or any politician for that matter... allowing my eyes to remain open to even that which doesn't validate my biases.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:46 PM

berni_mccoy (23,018 posts)

73. I don't think you know what the words you are using mean or imply

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:48 PM

mtnsnake (22,236 posts)

79. You nailed it, berni

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:48 PM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

80. +100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:56 PM

questionseverything (8,682 posts)

82. They know, they are just calling a young, bright democratic congressperson a cow

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 PM

MerryBlooms (11,020 posts)

93. Dehumanizing. 'Other'.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

treestar (80,192 posts)

101. Now that's reaching

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

treestar (80,192 posts)

99. She is a sacred cow if we cannot criticize

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:43 PM

Mariana (14,021 posts)

160. Yesterday, she was criticized based on a lie that she voted against Pelosi.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:32 PM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

76. +1

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 05:50 PM

AmericanCanuck (1,102 posts)

173. +10000000

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:06 PM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

85. Is the way we fawn over Biden & Harris wrong too?

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:48 AM

Celerity (30,807 posts)

122. 'No one is arguing differently.'

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:37 PM

treestar (80,192 posts)

97. So did President Obama, but if we didn't like criticism of him

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 PM

betsuni (20,333 posts)

108. It was feet held to the fire; echo chamber, rah rah cheerleaders, fan club, blind loyalty,

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:41 PM

R B Garr (16,431 posts)

77. Exactly. I'm not her mother. I reserve the same rights to

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:00 PM

MerryBlooms (11,020 posts)

83. Mostly, it's what others 'critique' and bestow upon AOC. Even when correcting the record,

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:07 PM

R B Garr (16,431 posts)

87. No it's not what others bestow on her. It's excused

under the “firebrand” moniker... You can skip the gaslighting step, too. Thanks.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:08 PM

MerryBlooms (11,020 posts)

88. lulz

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

R B Garr (16,431 posts)

100. lulz

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

treestar (80,192 posts)

96. +1

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 11:12 AM

cwydro (47,005 posts)

132. "It's" vs. "its"

No apostrophe needed in your second usage.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:11 PM

Jay25 (365 posts)

64. Absolutely agree.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:15 PM

greenman3610 (3,901 posts)

68. or any circular firing behavior

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:20 PM

myohmy2 (2,755 posts)

70. +1...

...

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 08:24 PM

Ferrets are Cool (17,462 posts)

72. K and R

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 09:10 PM

rpannier (23,708 posts)

74. These people have obviously never listened to the Breakfast Club

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 08:32 AM

dansolo (5,376 posts)

125. Which makes these kind of stunts aggravating

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:06 PM

dustyscamp (2,144 posts)

86. Don't attack Democrats!!!!

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 PM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

92. The irony of it all...

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

MerryBlooms (11,020 posts)

94. AOC voted for Pelosi today. She did the right thing.

That's the topic for today.

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

98. Sorry for meandering

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:41 PM

treestar (80,192 posts)

103. Well come on, it's holding his feet to the fire

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:51 PM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

106. Personally, I find it funny...

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:05 AM

dustyscamp (2,144 posts)

114. What I posted wasn't about Obama or Pelsoi it was about the hypocrisy of the Anti AOC Clique here

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 11:21 AM

Celerity (30,807 posts)

134. +100

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 PM

treestar (80,192 posts)

102. Or except if AOC does it

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:30 AM

Celerity (30,807 posts)

120. +1000

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 08:37 AM

MrsCoffee (5,413 posts)

126. Attack any Democrat you want

if you are AOC though, right? The cognitive dissonance is strong.

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Tue Jan 5, 2021, 05:52 PM

AmericanCanuck (1,102 posts)

174. If AOC can attack other Democrats

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:13 PM

Tarc (10,222 posts)

90. Indeed. The Speakership isn't a hereditary position

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

mvd (64,300 posts)

105. K&R

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:53 PM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

107. !!!AOC RULES!!!

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Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

H2O Man (69,005 posts)

109. Recommended.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:10 AM

Blue Owl (40,921 posts)

115. K&R

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:58 AM

diva77 (6,372 posts)

118. +1,000,000 This! K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:57 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

138. And a million cheers for incitement of what we deplore!

After all, we all enjoy coming here and DU just wouldn't be nearly as entertaining without these pop-up rumbles. And what would happen to political involvement, piss-poor as it already is, if it didn't offer endless opportunities to indulge tastes for hypocrisy and partisan divisions?

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:40 PM

diva77 (6,372 posts)

148. not sure i understand your post

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:40 PM

Hortensis (52,665 posts)

155. It's commending the utility of this OP, which can be different

things to different people. Have a nice day, Diva.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:54 AM

Kaleva (31,090 posts)

123. I don't hate her and she's free to do what she feels is best as far as I'm concerned

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 09:01 AM

brooklynite (80,026 posts)

128. So, any criticism is "hate" or "bashing".....

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:44 PM

Dem4Life1102 (3,974 posts)

137. How about people falsely claiming that she didn't vote for Pelosi

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:21 PM

Mariana (14,021 posts)

139. Criticizing her for not voting for Pelosi as speaker

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:53 PM

PufPuf23 (7,751 posts)

142. oh never mind. nt

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 09:01 AM

Sloumeau (2,657 posts)

129. It was 5 Centrist Dems that failed to vote for Pelosi, not the Progressive Dems.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 11:15 AM

AmyStrange (7,989 posts)

133. I say let them eat cake...

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:17 PM

BlueJac (7,706 posts)

135. I agree

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:25 PM

BlueWavePsych (2,372 posts)

136. Let's win the GA Runoffs and get our Senate Majority, then

fine-tune our agenda

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 02:35 PM

Lunabell (3,415 posts)

141. Yep.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:30 PM

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145. Yes, just stop it!

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:33 PM

BobTheSubgenius (11,199 posts)

146. This is not the time for division and acrimony.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:34 PM

Ingersollman (204 posts)

147. Agreed.

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:54 PM

Caliman73 (10,138 posts)

149. I think that we need to come to an agreement on "Hate" versus "Criticism".

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:36 PM

Mariana (14,021 posts)

159. People who feel compelled to make up lies about her

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:07 PM

Laura PourMeADrink (38,981 posts)

150. Why is it even considered wrong to begin with? This group

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Mon Jan 4, 2021, 04:31 PM

mtnsnake (22,236 posts)

153. Oh come on. The OP doesn't "cry and stomp their feet anytime someone criticizes her"