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"The odds of Trump declaring a self pardon just went up a bunch" (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 OP
The odds of him starting a war, even if he has to do so by hitting golf balls at Iran, went up NightWatcher Jan 2021 #1
Fat Donny can't pardon himself Blue Owl Jan 2021 #2
The odds that Justice Roberts just exboyfil Jan 2021 #3
I'm not sure it's clear BGBD Jan 2021 #6
There's no evidence of that. TwilightZone Jan 2021 #21
What he just did is also a felony in Georgia. Can't pardon for that. tinrobot Jan 2021 #4
I kind of hope he does. BGBD Jan 2021 #5
5-4 with Roberts on his knees begging exboyfil Jan 2021 #7
I don't think BGBD Jan 2021 #9
Correct. Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #13
This is the McConnell BGBD Jan 2021 #18
Big time malaise Jan 2021 #8
Maybe he shouldn't be committing state crimes. C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #10
Did Trump commit a crime in his phone call? thx in advance uponit7771 Jan 2021 #11
For starters, conspiracy to commit election fraud. Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #19
+1, that's right ... attempted fraud is also a crime. uponit7771 Jan 2021 #20
The odds were already 100% though I take his point. n/t moonscape Jan 2021 #12
Or, the odds of a President Pence pardon just shot up. OnDoutside Jan 2021 #14
Self Pardon will be challenged and, I believe, be overturned. bullimiami Jan 2021 #15
Exactly, surprised MSM keep referring to self pardons and not talking about OnDoutside Jan 2021 #16
AGREE!! bluestarone Jan 2021 #17

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
1. The odds of him starting a war, even if he has to do so by hitting golf balls at Iran, went up
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:43 PM
Jan 2021

He's fighting to not die of old age in prison at this time.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
3. The odds that Justice Roberts just
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:49 PM
Jan 2021

put in an order for a case of Rolaids also went up.

His court will soon be known as the one that gave kingly powers to the President. Can't indict or convict while in office and can pardon self before going out the door.


Roberts say hello to Taney.

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
21. There's no evidence of that.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:31 PM
Jan 2021

Roberts has been quite clear that states are in charge of elections. He's shown no signs of supporting any of Trump's nonsense.

I suspect that they'd chose not to hear any related cases unless a lower court does something unexpected. In other words, same result as the last 60 cases.

tinrobot

(10,890 posts)
4. What he just did is also a felony in Georgia. Can't pardon for that.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:52 PM
Jan 2021

(Though it's doubtful Georgia will ever prosecute)

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
5. I kind of hope he does.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:53 PM
Jan 2021

I'd like to see the Courts actually have to address this. I'd also like to see the folks on the right go nuts if Trumps 6-3 Majority rules that he can't pardon himself.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
9. I don't think
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:58 PM
Jan 2021

Gorsuch, Kav, or ACB have any actual love for Trump. Yeah, he nominated them but they were just names he got handed. None of them are Scalia or even Thomas. Plus, it would give Democratic Presidents the same engrained power to do whatever they want. I think they would balk at that and be ok if Trump got charged with something.

This group didn't even vote to hear his election challenges. This is a conservative court, but they are much more George Bush than they are Donald Trump.

Mr.Bill

(24,262 posts)
13. Correct.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:02 PM
Jan 2021

They were effectively nominated by the Heritage Foundation, not Trump. He didn't even know who these people were.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
18. This is the McConnell
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:17 PM
Jan 2021

Court, not the Trump Court.

He was a useful idiot for this. It's also why McConnell isn't fighting to keep him. He hates the guy and has his majority locked up for the rest of his career unless something truly unforeseen were to happen.

Thomas is the only conservative Justice who you could imagine leaving the Court before McConnell leaves the Senate, and even then it would be 5-4.

Kid Berwyn

(14,851 posts)
19. For starters, conspiracy to commit election fraud.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:23 PM
Jan 2021

Drumpf made clear he considered inaction to overthrow election results a crime. In actuality, he was making clear on what side the Georgia GOP Secretary of State and his “nice name” attorney should fall.

Don’t know about Bharara, but I’d also consider Dumpy’s actions treason.

bullimiami

(13,083 posts)
15. Self Pardon will be challenged and, I believe, be overturned.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:04 PM
Jan 2021

I think there may also be an avalanche of preemptive blanket pardons.
These should al so he challenged. I think there is a good chance they would fall as well.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
16. Exactly, surprised MSM keep referring to self pardons and not talking about
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:07 PM
Jan 2021

the more likely President Pence pardon.

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