Biden Backing Off Progressive Initiatives?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

I have a lot of left-wing friends on Facebook/Twitter and lately they've been posting that Biden is backing off initiatives that he supported during the campaign, including cancelling student loans and ending Trump's migrant detention policies. They're not particularly fond of him anyway and I'm not sure exactly where they are getting this information but just interested in hearing from anybody here if this is remotely accurate or true. I feel like it's probably something he might have said that they're miscontruing and/or taking out of context but not sure.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. I think that's the better course of action too

A lot of my left-leaning friends didn't even end up voting for him and are going to criticize pretty much anybody but Bernie, so I always treat a lot of what they say with a grain of salt without further information. I hope that Biden gets a fair shake and a chance to get his game on when he gets into office because he's being left a big bag of flaming poo thanks to Trump and he's not cooperating well with the transition.

[Thekaspervote]

28. Then why post this?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

31. Trying to get information

Seeing if anybody here knows what they are talking about. Judging by the responses, I guess it wasn't a good idea.

[PatSeg]

47. I think Biden will be as progressive

as congress allows. We still don't know who will control the senate, so that is a big factor. Meanwhile, his highest priority will be to get the pandemic under control and get the economy up and running, while reestablishing our diplomatic ties around the world. You can be sure that there will be a handful of Never-Biden liberals, who will find fault with everything he does. I believe we've seen this movie before when Obama took office.

Biden will not be able to please everyone and being he has been in government a long time, he is fully aware of that. You win some, you lose some, and you cut your losses wherever you can. Not terribly sexy, but if you live in a democracy, that is how change comes about in the real world.

We need our idealists and activists. They inspire us and show us what is possible. Then we need our pragmatists, who can make those dreams reality. However, the reality doesn't always match the original ideal 100%, hence that worn out, but very true cliché - "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good".

And for all your disgruntled liberal friends, I would suggest they put their progressive energies into local, state, and congressional races. That is where almost all change originates - from the bottom up, not the top down.

[Vivienne235729]

55. Well said!

[Squinch]

2. Staahp!

[Polybius]

3. He has to back off

Look how close the House is now. Plus best case scenario, the Senate will be 50-50. How can anything progressive get past moderate to conservative Democrats in Congress?

[brush]

18. Don't you mean get past conservative republicans in Congress?

They are the opposition. When Dems come to a consensus in the House and pass a bill on to the republicans, that's where the logjam begins.

[Polybius]

19. No, I already know about them

But best cast, the Senate will be 50-50 tomorrow, with Harris as the tiebreaker. You're not getting anything progressive passed from Manchin.

[brush]

23. He's not even in the WH yet and it seems divisiveness is already...

happening. Give the man a chance.

[Demsrule86]

35. That is not true. We have moderates in the house now...we will do what we can...and all

factions of our party need to accept this.

[brush]

39. Are you responding to me or another poster?

You're saying essentially what I said.

"Reach a consensus" being the key phrase.

[llashram]

24. bluedogs

still here. Never going away

[Amishman]

44. Which is fine, in those districts a blue dog is usually the best we can do

Better to have a majority and have to time things down to pass, than have a solid progressive delegation - and lack majority control.

[llashram]

49. yep, I agree

still, very distasteful politicians, in MY book.

[samnsara]

4. doesnt matter, cuz we cant do shit unless we get the senate

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. Legislatively of course

I think that they're referring more to things that he can do at the Executive level

[Demsrule86]

36. Nope, we don't have the courts and believe me, it will matter. In 2016 we basically

committed political suicide by failing to stop Donald Trump and elect Hillary Clinton. We barely survived this and have lost a great deal of power because of it.

[Fullduplexxx]

5. "In my opinion according to the things i've read " biden is backing off

We dont have the numbers

[Big Blue Marble]

7. How exactly is Biden to pass progressive legislation

with this congress? Even if we win the Senate, we will not be able to
remove the filibuster. And our majority in the house is tight with purple
seats being at major risk in two years. Biden will do well to pass a few
moderate pieces of legislation like infrastructure in the next two years.

[Miguelito Loveless]

9. There's a problem right there

"I have a lot of left-wing friends on Facebook/Twitter..."

At best, both are fonts of people's opinion, unburdened by actual fact. At worst, they are cesspools of disinformation.

If you trust your friends, ask for their sources. So far, the sources I see for these points are "anonymous" sources, or concern trolls.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. I try not to get into it too much with them

because, like with Trumpers, some of them have their minds up and they won't budge or show their homework

[Demsrule86]

37. Then we move to the middle and win elections that way. Our survival is at stake.

[Miguelito Loveless]

38. It is frustrating to say the least.

[uponit7771]

57. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾, I'm sick if the overtly anecdotal post tilting negative towards dems

[LexVegas]

10. ...

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. The student debt and detention policy proposals that Biden ran on were extremely targeted and

narrow, so if someone conflated those plans with something more widespread, I'd assume they weren't paying attention.

[stonecutter357]

12. cool story bro !

[mac56]

14. If there's one thing we're good at, it's a circular firing squad.

I mean, he isn't even in office yet.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. Good Christ, he hasn't even been inaugurated yet!

Let's at least let him put his family photos on his desk in the Oval Office and start rescinding Trump's worst EOs before the juicebox revolutionaries start whining that they haven't gotten their ponies yet.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

16. Just to be clear

I'm not saying that I believe or agree with this but just wondering where it may be coming from- if it has any basis or not.

[Crunchy Frog]

17. FFS, at least let him get sworn in before starting in on him.

Maybe give him some time to focus on the pandemic and vaccine distribution.

It's not like we're having a national emergency or anything.

[msongs]

20. you could ask your FB friends for documentation and proof for their claims nt

[DeminPennswoods]

21. Biden has said he wants to limit student debt forgiveness

to 50k or something like that.

He has also said he won't be able to reverse Trump's detention policies right away. Remember some of the Obama era immigration policies were kind of a step backward (imho). I inferred from what Biden said is that at least initially he will go back to having asylum/migration cases decided in the originating country via US Embassy before anyone actually comes to the US.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

25. This must be what they're jumping on then

Thanks. I was just seeking information, not looking to start anything but I think others might have misinterpreted my post as such.

[DeminPennswoods]

48. Yes, that's my impression, too

Delaware is HQ to lots of financial institutions, constituents Biden represented for years. It's a plus Biden is willing to cancel student loan debt at all imo.

[MineralMan]

22. Maybe we can wait until he takes the Oath of Office?

I mean, really...

The "many people are saying" crap has been old for a very long time.

[johnp3907]

26. They can't even wait til he's sworn in to start this crap?

And here I thought it was bad when after Obama had been in office about a month I saw titles on Common Dreams like “ Feel Betrayed Yet?”

[Proud Liberal Dem]

27. I know

it's frustrating to see

[GemDigger]

29. My guess is that he has a very long and still rapidly growing

priority list and it's not that he backed off but lowered those issues on the priority list.

[stillcool]

30. I'm embarrassed I read this.

[Wounded Bear]

32. More shit-stirring...

[Demsrule86]

33. Depends on the Senate what Biden can do...we need unity...how about skipping posts like this?

Consider it was this sort of thing that gave us Trump when some chose not vote, vote for Stein, stay home etc rather than vote for Hillary Clinton. Vote Blue no matter who.

[denbot]

34. Was it John Barron?

Not asking for anyone..

[Peacetrain]

40. Oh for the love of God..

[BainsBane]

41. How would they know?

He's not even in office yet. People like that love to complain about the Democratic Party, and they will invent complains to do it.

[SoonerPride]

42. He hasn't even been sworn in yet. Give me a fucking BREAK.

Fuck this noise.

Seriously.

[AmericanCanuck]

51. [phone]

[greenjar_01]

43. Literally don't care

[Midnight Writer]

45. Did anyone believe the Russian influence machine would just go away when Biden was elected?

[R B Garr]

46. OTOH, maybe some things were planted or exaggerated

so this number can he played on him.

[Cha]

52. Yeah, Where's the PROOF? Biden

& Harris WON.. how much did they help that?

Think of the Deep Shit we'd be in If they had their way.

[mvd]

53. Personally I don't see any changes

Biden will have a very hard time unless we win the Senate, and they still can filibuster. Important to not lose sight of progressive goals, but what can pass now may not be what we want.

[Kaleva]

54. If you have lots of friends like that, you may want to take a good look at yourself.

People tend to associate with those of like mind. It's human nature.

[ancianita]

56. Why not ask them where they get their information & get links.

Then you can analyze whether "they're miscontruing and/or taking out of context." Just sayin.

[stonecutter357]

58. BTW what the fuck is a Dem ?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

60. Shorthand for a Democrat

Is there a problem with that?

[betsuni]

59. Biden's motto is "Never promise anything you can't deliver."

He didn't make any promises he'd "back off" from once in office.

[Demsrule86]

61. Trashing...all such article posted here that show dems in disarray will be trashed. We need unity.