Plans if Trump refuses to leave White House

[gabeana]

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Mike Sington
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1/2. Distinct possibility now Trump will refuse to leave White House on Jan 20. Secret Service has developed a plan. From former SS Agents:
1. Trump will not be physically removed. As a former President, he retains a SS detail. SS doesn’t want to pit agents against one another.
Mike Sington
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2/2.
2. Biden will begin governing country from Blair House.
3. SS will refuse all staff admittance to WH including housekeepers, maintenance, engineers, Trump’s personal staff.
4. SS will cut off all services to WH including power, water, internet, telephone, food deliveries.
5:02 AM · Jan 4, 2021·Twitter for iPad

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Who is Mike Sington, and why should we believe him?

[brooklynite]

31. From his website: an "Entertainment, Pop Culture, and Lifestyle Expert", so....yes?

Mike Sington graduated from college and arrived in Hollywood knowing no one in the Industry, having no job, not even a place to stay. He quickly landed a coveted job as a movie studio tour guide, rising rapidly through the ranks to a senior level executive position. During his career at Universal Studios, Mike co-created and produced Universal's world famous Studio Tour. He established and helmed the studio's renowned Tour Guide Program, famous worldwide as the leading launching pad for Hollywood's top Industry power players. Mike also created and developed Universal's ultra exclusive VIP Experience and Tour, specially designed for A-list celebrities, heads of state, and other high profile guests.

https://mikesington.com

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

32. Well, then, he's totally credible about the Secret Service's plans for Trump.

[FSogol]

45. Haw!

I'm not sure it is possible to totally shut off utilities at the WH. There are many redundant systems.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

46. Jacob Wohl is a "Consultant · Political Operative · Speaker"

https://jacobwohl.org/

[mahatmakanejeeves]

43. "He's a 'former NBC employee.' So was Flipper."

Kevin M. Kruse Retweeted

I couldn't resist and checked out the bio of this guy calling himself a former NBC executive, and I swear to God, he worked at the Universal Studios theme park running the Studio Tour experience

Link to tweet

He's a "former NBC employee."

So was Flipper.

and Flipper had a show named after him

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[PCIntern]

44. The Flipper comment was funny! Thanks

It takes a lot to make me laugh these days so thank you again

[Control-Z]

2. Is this real? eom

[gabeana]

3. Got it from Seth Abramson unless he was fooled

Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
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NEW: NBC Senior Executive Claims (Former) Secret Service Sources Have Told NBC News of a Contingency Plan Developed By Government Officials in Case Trump Refuses to Vacate White House on January 20

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Seth Abramson sometimes gets ahead of himself.

I take him with a grain of salt.

[Control-Z]

7. Yes. I agree. eom

[gabeana]

8. Where has he got ahead of himself?

what incident can you point to where he was not accurate

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. He leans toward hyperbole.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/sharing-seth-abramson-not-once-not-ever.html

[gabeana]

14. Here is Abramson response

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[gabeana]

21. I just looked at blogger you cited to attack Abramson

Really!
His most recent tweet is on College football

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why disparage an ally, like Abramson, someone who is out there fighting. and your evidence is an unqualified mostly sports blogger from Slate

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. I'm not "attacking" Abramson. I just don't rely on his conclusions,

and never have, irrespective of and long before, the article I cited, because they too often didn't pan out. You do you, but I'll be verifying with other sources.

[gabeana]

27. again what hasn't panned out

I want to know
if it just your opinion fine but if you don't have evidence you are doing a disservice

you started challenging his credibility that is attacking his conclusions but have not cited evidence just some fired sports blogger

I have read all his books, He has been way ahead of the news cycle. The day Barr released that memo exonerating Trump, Abramson predicted everything that would happen.
He was way ahead of the media, The media didn't catch up for days

I believe why blame Abramson because nothing happened to Trump, the system that coalesced around and protected Trump

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. IIRC, he predicted that Sanders would beat Clinton, and that Trump would win in 2020.

But I don't really care. I just prefer other sources.

[gabeana]

35. He wanted Sanders over Clinton and in 2020 he wanted Warren over Biden

and Warren to be the VP pick, but once the selections were made he always supported the Dem Ticket
iirc he Predicted a Biden victory but like many of us was really concerned that Trump would use every desperate ounce he could to fix the election, After all lets not forget rumps attempt to shut down the USPS before the election and seeing rumps behaviors today we can see his concerns were not overblown

and those are your examples?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

36. I'm not going to bother to argue with you about this.

I've been following Abramson for years and I've observed what I've described, but I'm not going to scour the internet to go back and find examples. You like him, you go with him. I'm done.

[gabeana]

39. exactly just an opinion

not based on concrete info just feel

[marylandblue]

11. During the Mueller investigation, he kept explaining what Mueller was planning to do

and it all sounded great. Mueller didn't do most of it. So while this sounds like a plausible SS plan, Abrahmson has no idea if that's what they would actual do, and it does have it's drawbacks. For one thing, the symbolism of Trump still sitting in the White House is awful. For another, Biden can order them to scrap that plan as soon as he is inaugurated.

[gabeana]

16. He just linked to a former Sr. nbc Executive

and as Mueller investigation he nailed it, who failed was Mueller
Tell me where he was wrong where things have played out.

Or are one of those that agree with Trump The Russia Hoax

[marylandblue]

28. I think Mueller did fail, but that's part of the point.

I followed him closely at that time. He did dig a lot of good information from public sources. Good journalism. But he kept saying that he knew Mueller was looking at the same information, using certain strategies and even provided elaborate arguments based on his "expertise" as to what legal theory Mueller was pursuing.

But he was never a prosecutor, never worked for DOJ, doesn't know Mueller or anyone on his team, so it was clear to me at least that Mueller was not doing what Abramson claimed he was. Mueller was not aggressively pursuing every lead Abramson found. Furthermore, some of those leads were likely either dead ends or not relevant to how Mueller saw his mission. Abramson never noticed this, but I did. So my view was that he was good at gathering and analyzing news articles, but ge was not the legal expert he claimed to be and has no inside information.

Bottom line is I don't know what the SS will do and I don't think Abramson can claim to know either. I doubt anyone who does know is talking to Abramson.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Abramson collects information from public sources, and does report it accurately.

However, he sometimes jumps to conclusions from those facts, and those conclusions don't always pan out. He's fine for factual recitations but I don't rely on him to predict what those facts will lead to.

[gabeana]

19. Example?

I'd like to know

more than likely what is being displayed is this

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a fired Sports Blogger at that

[marylandblue]

22. Well, for one thing, he exagerrates his credentials.

He used to be a public defender in a local jurisdiction. 99% of his cases would have been petty theft, barfights etc. Currently he teaches english and journalism I think, but he is not an active lawyer or law professor. Still he holds himself out as a legal expert on federal criminal law and how federal officials should conduct themselves. He's got no more expertise in those areas than a well informed DCUMer.

[gabeana]

26. His Bio

so this is wrong?
Summary: Over a quarter-century career in higher education, publishing, criminal investigation, journalism, and the law, Seth Abramson (MA, MFA, JD, Ph.D.) has worked for Harvard University, Dartmouth College, Georgetown University, Wesleyan University, University of Iowa, University of Wisconsin-Madison, the Institute of Art and Design at New England College, and the Nashua Trial Unit of the New Hampshire Public Defender. A Harvard Law School graduate and an attorney in good standing with the New Hampshire Bar Association and the Federal Bar for the District of New Hampshire, Seth is a political columnist for Newsweek, a professor teaching journalism and legal advocacy at the University of New Hampshire, and a New York Times–bestselling nonfiction author and Poetry Foundation–bestselling poet. He has authored thirteen books and edited five anthologies, receiving national honors for both his creative writing and his journalism. During the Trump era, he was a regular contributor to CNN and the BBC. In 2018, was named to the National Council for the Training of Journalists' list of the most respected journalists in the U.S. and United Kingdom—one of only nine freelancers so honored.

​https://www.sethabramson.net/bio

[marylandblue]

30. No, but at one time it read like he was a law professor, until some called him on it, and

he is a lawyer, but he is not what I would call a "legal expert" such as Laurence Tribe or Preet Bharara.

And don't get me wrong. I like him. He's a smart guy. I learned a lot from him. He's just not quite what he claims to be. And I think he is quite purposeful in playing around with his various identities, so this isn't even a real criticism. He wants to be questioned in this way, so that you can effectively see things from more than one perspective.

[gabeana]

38. He is a lawyer

I would expect him to have more legal expertise than a non lawyer
Laurence is an academic and Preet is a former US attorney for the southern district. He is a prosecutor I don't know why that makes Preet more of a legal expert than Abramson a former defense lawyer?

Abramson education
Dartmouth College (BA)
Harvard University (JD)
University of Iowa (MFA)
University of Wisconsin–Madison (MA, PhD)

From Wiki

Bharara education
Harvard University (AB)
Columbia University (JD)

Both have fine education and I listen to both but don't necessarily think one is more of an expert than the other when it comes to law
by the way love Tribe also

[marylandblue]

42. My point was that Abramson claimed to understand federal prosecutors

based primarily on his experience as a local public defender in state court. Bhahara actually was a federal prosecutor, so I would consider him much more of an expert on federal prosecutions.

You can consider anyone as much or as little of an expert as you choose. There is no Expert's Bureau that pre-approves experts for us. But I found the opinions of former federal prosecutors more instructive about Mueller's actions than Abramson's. On the other hand, Abramson had a lot of details and analysis on Trumpco's activities over the years that nobody else had. So I'd say his main expertise is actually legal journalism rather than law. I don't think that's bad, it's just not quite the same thing.

[gabeana]

47. I agree!

[Thekaspervote]

4. I think this is the best plan. He won't last more than a few hours at most

He will be humiliated by the cut off of utilities.

Maybe he’ll have a stroke and die!!

[phylny]

6. My goodness.

How low can he go?

[former9thward]

41. Do you seriously believe the OP?

[LanternWaste]

49. Ironic you said that.

Ten bucks says you don't see it.

[dlk]

9. As Obama has said, "cut the cable tv"

Trump won’t waste any time vacating the White House, especially if his Twitter account is blocked about that time.

[David__77]

12. I think it's best to take possession of the White House as soon as possible.

It would just become a rallying point for coupmongers to have him there even until the next day.

[Skittles]

13. take away his golf clubs or his tanning bed

enough of this nonsense

[lpbk2713]

15. Is Michelle Obama's vegetable garden still in existence?

Trump might need it. And a propane camp stove.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. I think it was paved over for a tennis court or something.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

18. I will be astonished if tRump is even in the country by inauguration day.

Why would he stick around to be prosecuted?

[Siwsan]

20. I think they should let Champ and Major Biden take charge of the eviction

Just send them in through the front door, and soon trump* will be dashing out the back door.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. Trump doesn't dash. The best he can do is a fast, jiggly waddle.

But I would like to see a big scrap of Trump's pants clutched in the teeth of a German shepherd.

[William769]

33. President-Elect Biden has already said what will happen.

I trust President-Elect Biden over this guy any day.

[kentuck]

34. Twitter should be ordered to cut off his Twitter feed.

That's all it would take.

[BlueNProud]

37. Taser. Straitjacket. Done.

[former9thward]

40. Yet another CT.

Let's see. I just read Trump was going to fly to Scotland on Jan. 19th to live there. Now I am reading he will not leave the White House just hours later on Jan 20. People should get these stories together. So little time....

[JI7]

48. He would be too scared of any chance of physical confrontation

remember when he went hiding in the basement ?

[GeorgeGist]

50. Bull fucking shit ...

I hope.

[Sogo]

51. Exactly the strategy I posted weeks ago

when this nonsense was being suggested.