Congratulations to every asshole who voted for Prop 22. This is what you did.

[yaesu]

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1. K & R

I guess there are enough stupid people who DON'T read up on each and every prop.

[onecaliberal]

2. This. Big money completely blanketed the airwaves with lies.

[Arne]

4. They have misleading wording that is back assword in our state.

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. Yeah, like that "Right to Work" bullshit

[Hekate]

3. KnR

[sfstaxprep]

5. Americans Are Not Too Bright

I KNEW that it would pass. The ads were everywhere.

The average IDIOT didn't bother to read the Proposition.

There were other horrible Props that got shitty results since people are IDIOTS.

[Nictuku]

6. I voted No on that prop

I always check out the Progressive Voters Guide before voting on propositions.

[crimycarny]

15. Yep, I voted no as well

I too check out the Progressive Voters Guide as well as who is sponsoring a Prop.

[dalton99a]

7. Kick

[Fullduplexxx]

8. Door dash gig workers destroy full time well paying jobs w/ benefits for minimum wage & no benefits

Another people helping people feel good story. ... makes me want nothing to do with either of them .

[StarfishSaver]

12. Not the workers. The large companies that exploit them to displace union workers

[uponit7771]

9. K&R, Albertson did such during a pandemic and economic depression for working people. What assholes

[FakeNoose]

10. Yes it stinks, but this is the way the entire country is going

State by state, industry by industry ... it's all going down the shitter. We're looking at the demise of the middle class. In another 10 years we're all going to be on foodstamps (or whatever they call it then) and about 1,000 multi-billionaires will have all the wealth.

[LSFL]

11. I suspect we will put some balls to the wall by then.

As my 5th grade teacher said, it's time to tan some hides and put some hair on the wall. Oddly enough , she was a conservative. Albeit 80s style.

[Calculating]

37. That's what I fear too

Enough ubi to keep the lower classes from rising up, while the top 1% will have almost everything.

[BigmanPigman]

13. I just got out my election stuff to make sure

I didn't vote for it and I sure as Hell did not. In fact I have three post-its with "Vote NO on 22" in my pile. I think people voted for it since the big $$$ companies put a ton into TV ads that were very confusing. They got gig workers to seem super sad about losing their jobs. I remember people on DU asking about it in Nov. Very deceptive TV ads! The workers were so happy to have their "freedom and no schedules from those mean bosses" in non-gig jobs.

[JI7]

14. People voted for it becsuse they want to pay less for these things

[Wellstone ruled]

16. You could see that coming a million miles away.

Pete Peterson's Cerbus Capital bought Albertons and a fire sale price including Debt on hand. Feel for all their employee's,the worst is yet to come.

[haele]

17. Problem is that California is a right to work state.

Prop 22 just made it easy for the vulture capitalist ownership to decide that delivery drivers are not necessary because of Door Dash and Instacart, no matter that the union drivers had the correct delivery vehicles (with refrigerated areas) that could take 4 to 5 bulk orders at a time, carried insured and bonded delivery for customer peace of mind, and had trained delivery drivers who knew how to pack and properly handle produce.
Instead, we will now get an erratic collection of delivery drivers in vehicles of equally erratic quality and few if any chill bags for your chill or frozen items that may end up being thawed or melted by the time they get to you -if they get to you.

It's not so much Prop 22 that gave Albertsons and Vons management that idea, it's the fact that we are a work at will/right to work state, thanks the GOP governers in the late twentieth century.

Haele

[Jose Garcia]

32. California is not a right to work state

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/right-to-work-laws-and-bills.aspx

[TomCADem]

19. I voted for it. I have family members who Uber.

They just wanted a side hustle, yet the Legislature could not figure it out. Other states seem to have no problem handling Uber and Lyft, yet the Legislature claimed they could not draw a distinction. So, yeah, we can complain, but you are not going to convince people that Uber/Lyft can’t work when both drivers and riders are fine with it and it works everywhere else.

If you want to be for the people then you should listen to them.

[Skittles]

20. huh?

how can you be "for the people" knowing they will be exploited?

[TomCADem]

21. I have a cousin who needs a flexible job.

It is kind of presumptuous of me to tell him to just tell him not work for Doordash and Uber because he is being exploited. Or, that perhaps he should quite being a college student and just get a job with more regular hours and benefits.

That is the thing. There was no real answer for folks like my cousin who have a side hustle or who riders who like the convenience of uber. It ends up sounding paternalistic, particularly when the only response is to just name call folks like me and my counsin A*&(&&ls. Well, thank you, that really did not convince me or him to vote against Prop 22, and that might explain why folks who were against Prop 22 were not successful.

If you vote Yes on 22, You Are An Anti-Union A*&^&*e!" is not really a winning slogan.

[Skittles]

22. so because your cousin...needs to be exploited

it's good for everyone


got it

[TomCADem]

27. Exactly. The Majority of Californians Agree

And simply calling uber drivers exploited without offering them something tangible once again illustrates why Prop 22 passed. I can just imagine the conversation with an uber driver.

"Dude. Stop working for uber because you are being exploited!"

"Bro, so what I am going to do for money?"

"I don't know. But, you won't be exploited!"

Now, if the Legislature had passed a law that confirms that Uber/Lyft drivers are independent contractors, but then uber and lyft tried to run a Proposition that was even more favorable, then I would understand.

[Piasladic]

24. understood

slogan or no, scabs are scabs.

[TomCADem]

28. When Trumpsters Call You a Socialist or Communist

Does that make you want to vote for Trump? I mean I know people want to vent, and if they want to vent, rather than try to learn from the loss, then so be it. I just offer the view of someone who voted for Prop 22 and I think it confirms why I think it passed.

[Piasladic]

30. It passed because some union members take for granted their rights

and ignore the real desperation of those that "need" gig work. Workers that have no rights or representation are nothing I would want for my cousin.

[Jose Garcia]

34. When did the strike start?

Scabs are people who work the jobs of people who are on strike.

[Piasladic]

39. the definition

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scab

4: "one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms"

[Jose Garcia]

42. Most Americans who work are not members of a union. Are most Americans scabs?

[Turin_C3PO]

23. Then you voted anti-union.

Regardless of your excuse, that's what you did.

[TomCADem]

25. Yup. I Guess I Did. I Am Member of a Union

Pay my dues, but unlike a Republican who worships Trump, I will make my own decisions. Also, that once again explains why Prop 22 won. In CA, there were a lot of opportunities to create a limited carve out for uber/lyft, but it seems that folks were counting on Democrats to act like Republicans and automatically vote "pro-union."

[obamanut2012]

35. You are a union member who voted to make scabs legal

And also get union drivers fired at the same time?

Jesus.

[TomCADem]

40. That's is the thing. What you said is not convincing.

My whole point is that this is why the whole effort and events that led to Proposition 22 failed. There was no outreach. "Just support unions. Down with scabs!" What about folks who use uber or uber drivers? If you think that calling my friend and family members scabs is the way to make your point, then agree to disagree. Also, I don't think Uber had union drivers, so I never heard of uber firing unionized taxi drivers.

This is just constructive criticism that to be successful, you have to address the needs of the people. Unions should serve its members, not the other way around. Otherwise, you are just preaching to the choir.

The thing is that if CA had succeeded in making uber drivers employees, then it would have been the outlier among states. Too many people used or were gig workers themselves for a campaign that was based on namecalling drivers "scabs" to be successful.

That being said, in Georgia, you have folks who think that Loeffler repeatedly calling Warnock a "radical liberal" over and over again was a great debate performance, so I guess I can see some folks thought that name calling would work in California, a state where I think most people have a family member who has worked as driver or has done so themselves.

[MrsCoffee]

43. It's beyond gross.

And incredibly selfish and shortsighted.

[obamanut2012]

44. Agreed

I would love to be in a union, but am barred by law from being in one, which should be illegal.

[hatrack]

29. Yay, Silicon Valley! Yay, Innovation! Yay, Shitty Gig Jobs With Shitty Pay!

[BobTheSubgenius]

31. As awful as this is, it's kind of remarkable that it took as long as it did.

[haele]

36. Krogers/Ralphs and Target switched to Door-Dash four years ago in CA. Nothing to do with Prop 22.

California does not protect ad hoc service jobs if the company wants to get rid of a category of worker, even if the shop or worksite is union. Janitorial and on-call workers get outsourced to contract all the time, as they are not a regular shift/hourly worker. If Albertsons or Pavilions/Vons can "justify" delivery drivers as non-essential or on-call/only as needed, they can drop delivery service and switch to door-dash or Insta-cart.

Teamsters Union thinking that they had the upper hand while the barn door was already open (see above, Ralphs switching over years ago) screwed over the Albertsons and Vons drivers, not Prop 22.

It's not fair at all, and everyone should be protected, but Prop 22 was to protect people who didn't or couldn't work a set schedule shift due to a variety of reasons. Forcing these people to be "employees" meant they had no flexibility to work on their schedule, which is why they went into the "gig" in the first place. The first or second time they couldn't work an assigned shift, or they had to bail after an hour due to some sort of emergency issue, they would be fired, just as those who work food service are.
These are people such as a full time student or a family caretaker, or someone with a disability that can work between "spells". They can't determine when they are able to work from day to day, let alone answer to a supervisor who has to make shift schedules on a weekly or monthly basis.

What is really needed is a form of benefits package that is not tied to a full time job, so people who can only work flex are covered as well as people who work union or defined benefits jobs.

Haele

[haele]

38. Krogers/Ralphs and Target switched to Door-Dash four years ago in CA. Nothing to do with Prop 22.

California does not protect ad hoc service jobs if the company wants to get rid of a category of worker, even if the shop or worksite is union. Janitorial and on-call workers get outsourced to contract all the time, as they are not a regular shift/hourly worker. If Albertsons or Pavilions/Vons can "justify" delivery drivers as non-essential or on-call/only as needed, they can drop delivery service and switch to door-dash or Insta-cart.

Teamsters Union thinking that they had the upper hand while the barn door was already open (see above, Ralphs switching over years ago) screwed over the Albertsons and Vons drivers, not Prop 22.

It's not fair at all, and everyone should be protected, but Prop 22 was to protect people who didn't or couldn't work a set schedule shift due to a variety of reasons. Forcing these people to be "employees" meant they had no flexibility to work on their schedule, which is why they went into the "gig" in the first place. The first or second time they couldn't work an assigned shift, or they had to bail after an hour due to some sort of emergency issue, they would be fired, just as those who work food service are.
These are people such as a full time student or a family caretaker, or someone with a disability that can work between "spells". They can't determine when they are able to work from day to day, let alone answer to a supervisor who has to make shift schedules on a weekly or monthly basis.

What is really needed is a form of benefits package that is not tied to a full time job, so people who can only work flex are covered as well as people who work union or defined benefits jobs.

Haele

[ffr]

33. Boycott Vons and Albertsons

They suck anyway!

[DSandra]

41. Gig worker here. Working in a job is not so hot as well

This started out as a side hustle for me because I didn’t want to put all my eggs into one basket with my photography business. Now with Covid 19, I have been relying a lot on food delivery money in order to support myself.

As a transgender minority female food delivery worker, I don’t have to worry about discrimination in the hiring process, I don’t have to worry about kissing up to a hiring manager, to have to work even if I’m tired, to feel like I’m a slave of the boss, etc... I can take a few days break if I have enough money to. I can work in different places. I have considerably more freedom than a regular job.

And with Prop 22, Door Dash is making adjustments to compensate for car expenses and adjustments to 120 percent of the minimum wage in the area. For me it has been an average of an additional $150 a week since they started complying with prop 22 about three weeks ago.