Judy Woodruff on PBS reporting that National Association of Manufacturers is calling

[Arkansas Granny]

for Pence and Congress to invoke 25th Amendment.

[SheltieLover]

1. Pence refused national guard help per DU posts

He will not do 25th. This is going just as planned.

[yellowdogintexas]

3. I have read it was Pentagon who refused, then Trump and now Pence

Meanwhile, Virginia governor sent the VA state police, DC police are moving in and New Jersey is on the way.

Was it ever confirmed that Secret Service and FBI were inside the Capitol defending the Congress.

It stands to reason SecSvc would be there, what with Pence and Pelosi both in the building.

[SheltieLover]

7. Yes, but the way I read it,

Pence ordered pentagon to not send natl guard.

No idea about secret service. Have not heard 1 word about them.

FBI SWAT there as of 1/2 hr ago or so.

[reACTIONary]

10. Don't know about that, Pence has no authority ...

... to order anything. The vice presidency is worth less that a bucket of warm piss.

[wnylib]

15. DC National Guard is under the control

of the president because of DC's federal status.

NPR reported that a request went from Congress in lockdown (don't have any names on this) to Joint Chiefs for National Guard, but in the end, they answer to the president.

Trump did not respond to that request until after Biden's national address calling on Trump to take action to protect Congress.

[SheltieLover]

17. Ty for clarification

[wnylib]

16. NPR reported that additional SS were sent.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. The reluctance to use NG stems from Trump using them to clear Lafayette Square

for his photo op.

[sdfernando]

12. No thats not it. They aren't reluctant at all. They WANT this so they won't send in the NG.

[wnylib]

21. You are absolutely right.

Trump enjoyed every minute of this. Only AFTER he called out the NG did he tell his terrorists to "go home in peace." He does not want them arrested and did not want the "loser" image of his terrorist mob being arrested and their attack being put down.

Just like with Charlottesville and "fine people on both sides" Trump told his coup mob that they were "special" and that he loved them. He sympathized with their anger over the election and how "some people" are being treated. Then he said to go home in peace.

His terrorist threat statement had been made. In effect, he showed that he can call upon his minions to disrupt government and create havoc whenever he wants.

This is not the end. Trump will do this or something similar again. This was his first step. He intends to create terrorist threats with his mobs in the future. He hopes it will catch on in cities across the country.

[bdamomma]

34. like Joy said

white thugs are not afraid of white cops.

[dflprincess]

9. If Pence thinks he has any kind of future

he'll go along with it.

[wnylib]

23. Members of the cabinet can also

act on this, can't they?

Pence could align with cabinet members to do it.

There might be the possibility that people fear the reaction of Trump's terrorist mobs if they remove Trump. They have waited too long. He now has a mob dedicated to violent actions on his behalf, just waiting for a reason to erupt across the country whether that reason is Trump's removal from office or a call to action from him. -- or both.

He might yet call for national terroristic actions on inauguration day. I now believe that it is possible that Trump will try to set off a civil war as he leaves office.

[dflprincess]

26. This is the wording of section 4 of the Amendment

it sounds like the Veep has to be involved.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office

[wnylib]

32. Sure, the VP would be involved, since

the VP is next in line.

Thanks for the link on the process.

[dflprincess]

35. I think it may also be is meant to prevent a purely political removal of a president

given that President & Vice-president are members of the same party and ran as a team.

[Demsrule86]

27. The story is different now...Pence called for national guard help but Trump refused to authorize

it. I wonder which Senator let the rioters into the Senate.

[wnylib]

31. Are you saying the rioters did not

force their way into the Senate? That they were let in by a co-conspirator? If so, on what basis do you say this?

[Farmgirl1961]

2. YES!!!! Lets get the EC confirmation done and then invoke the 25th amendment ASAP

[Demsrule86]

28. Agree

[dhill926]

4. this in on the entire republican party, Manufacturers....

please remember that for the future...

[SWBTATTReg]

5. I will call for it too. Time now.

[dutch777]

6. Nice of them to take the right stand...years late!

Pence should but its hard with no moral compass and no spine and probably doesn't have Mommy's permission. If he really thought about it though, politically, and assuming he wants to run for Prez in 2024, it would be a bold statement that actually might get him some respect that could help him. Painting Trump as someone that encourages riots and insurrection would stake out a claim for some level of rational thought and principal returning to the Repub party. A snowball's chance, I know

[Scruffy1]

13. The NAM is an evil outfit.

They are mainly union busting outfit. They are just trying to polish their image. That is like polishing a turd. They put me on their list a couple of times for union activity. When you lose them you are toast in the Republican world.

[uponit7771]

22. right, it wasn't Trump literally fucking up the mailing system to steel the election ... etc, etc

[Demsrule86]

29. His career is over. I think Pence knows this.

[Nitram]

11. More appropriate than impeachment at this late date. And more humiliating for Trump.

[OneBlueSky]

14. Trump has overplayed his hand . . .

thought he could keep calling this a stolen election with no consequences . . . what he's learning (or probably not) is that his words have consequences . . . the whole ballgame is finally changing . . .

[yaesu]

19. He may be trying to go out that way, be a hero to his brainless minions & be a great ending to his

reality show. Win Win

[wnylib]

25. I don't think Trump has overplayed

or misplayed his hand. I think this IS his hand. It is just what he wants and intends. With today's actions, he has issued an ultimatim to Congress, Biden, and the nation, "Leave me in the White House or face terrorist attacks by my people whenever I call for it." If we do not back down and give in to this demand, he will try to launch these kinds of attacks nationwide.

We cannot give in to his tyranny, so as Chuck Schumer tweeted overnight, "Buckle up."

[yaesu]

18. It has to happen, tRump instigated then thanked the terrorists, enough is enough, is enough. nt

[nolabear]

20. I'm seeing quite a few calls for it. I'm impressed.

[patphil]

24. It's way past that now.

Impeachment is the only way to go.

[Demsrule86]

30. Impeachment will not remove Trump, the 25th will.

[patphil]

33. I agree, and that is an easier way to go. I think it could happen.

But if that doesn't happen, impeachment will challenge the Republicans to take the action they needed to take a year ago.

Both paths should be walked on simultaneously right now.

[bdamomma]

36. when

do you stop this madman??? He will do something else, if he stays in longer. He is a criminal and a thug. Get him out. NOW.