She was a vet, big deal,

[edhopper]

So was Timothy McVeigh.
Being a vet doesn't excuse terrorism.

[Rorey]

1. She died a traitor

Just like McVeigh.

[Ferrets are Cool]

21. This

[PirateRo]

49. Yes.

[Drahthaardogs]

2. It makes it worse

She’s supposed to be a defender of our constitution

[d_r]

26. This.

[DemocraticPatriot]

85. Maybe we should refer to them as "Oath Breakers"

[Habibi]

87. That very term occurred to me this morning. nt

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

112. Yes. In addition to other terminology, much of which

won't be published or spoken by the M$M.

[iluvtennis]

103. +++ agree. nt

[hatrack]

3. So was Charles Whitman

So was Oswald.

[MyOwnPeace]

13. And don't forget......

United States Army Lieutenant General Michael Flynn.......

[Augiedog]

20. And Benedict Arnold

[MyOwnPeace]

34. Maybe we're making a list

of military people that would/could/should march by BunkerBoy so that he can have his own special "Military Parade!" Wouldn't he be proud?

[lagomorph777]

80. and Robert E Lee

[xxqqqzme]

97. Except benedict aenold didn't

take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

[tblue37]

52. And Lt. Calley.

[Hotler]

55. Olie North nt.

[sarge43]

65. Michael Flynn n/t

[cab67]

71. And Jefferson Davis.

Not to mention some of these darlings:

https://www.ranker.com/list/22-serial-killers-who-served-in-the-military/ranker-crime

[Hassin Bin Sober]

84. So was Hitler

[Greg K]

102. And Timothy McVeigh

[BlueStater]

121. Eddie Gallagher. n/t

[FeelingBlue]

4. She swore an oath to protect and defend this country

and violated that oath when she stormed the Capitol Building with her comrades who replaced the Capitol Building’s American flag with the Trump flag.

[atreides1]

5. I'm a vet

And I agree with you 100%...

I don't regard her as much of a loss, either...just one less QAnon follower in the world!!!

[RAB910]

6. American needs to end the hero worship of veterans

We went from treating them poorly in the Vietnam era to the other extreme of extreme and unhealthy hero worship


There are plenty of veterans who are just as big of traitors as this woman was

[captain queeg]

14. Totally agree. Add in cops too. Ever since 9/11 they've all been treated liked heros

Some are, some aren’t. Just like everyone else.

[WinstonSmith4740]

39. Just caught an interview with Chris Rock a few days ago.

He pretty much made that point, except he took it to the next step. There are simply some professions where there can be no "bad apples" and just like airline pilots, police work is pretty much up there on the list.

[Jimbo S]

58. I agree with what you post

but expressing it to others will get you ostracized. Been there, done that.

[Renew Deal]

7. She died as a criminal

[Hugin]

16. during a criminal act.

So it's all on her.

Good luck collecting any insurance.

[Gothmog]

8. This lady was still a traitor and terrorist

[GaYellowDawg]

9. At the end, she was an oathbreaker and traitor.

She wasted her life for Donald Trump and I suppose it’s appropriate that she bled out on his campaign flag.

[sop]

10. Benedict Arnold was an American military officer.

[Blue_true]

113. Wasn't he a General? Maybe that is Mikie Flynn's idol. nt

[dware]

11. Exactly!!!

She violated her Oath of Enlistment and committed treason, my sympathy lies with all those that were trapped and the police officer who was forced to fire that fatal shot.

She may not have been an active member of the Air Force, but the Oath, to the vast majority of present and former military vets is still adhered to, even after discharge/retirement.

[trc]

30. Truth. nt

[marie999]

60. Right, the oath does not say until you are discharged.

[Hugin]

12. She should have known there are areas on Federal property where lethal force is authorized...

Especially, outside of the offices of the third in line to be the POTUS.

Maybe that's why she was ex-military.

[Solly Mack]

15. K&R

[Orrex]

17. I only regret that I didn't get to tell her to go fuck herself before she died

[exboyfil]

18. You storm the office of someone

Third in line of Presidential succession, you better expect push back.

Note the guy carrying zip ties and a gun.


I want to know who was in a suit with an ID that was behind her. It seemed to me the FBI really should be asking him some serious questions (of course all of them), but that was an insider in the mob.

[Traildogbob]

72. She died, good

Imagine if she was successful kidnapping Pelosi and given to that mob. There were signs of Pelosi is Satan in those mobs. Remember the plans for Michigan Governor. I am a vet, she was a terrorist and a threat to the life of 3rd in line. If I were there to protect as an agent and under the oath. I would have shot her in the neck. The shooter is a hero.
Sorry, my snow flakiness melted yesterday. High road, fuck that, the enemy is destroying us from the low road. Go where the enemy is at and gaining ground. Eradicate it.
I am more sorry for the young lady ran over with a car, by MAGA terrorists.

[mercuryblues]

122. One little quibble

Nancy is 2nd in line. Pence then Nancy. Grassley is 3rd

[Traildogbob]

123. It's not a matter of where she is in line.

They wanted to take her out, as they do with Michigan Governor. They where screaming, “where is Pence”? One of Trumps nut bag lawyers was calling for him to be killed. If they would kill Pence, ya think they would leave Pelosi to take over. If I came to take out ANYONE in congress, I would be shot on site. She posted what she intended. She knew her actions. She was held accountable. No tears here.

[hlthe2b]

19. It doesn't excuse it. But it must be exposed. RW Extremism within the military was a critical

issue laid out in the blocked domestic terrorism report from several years back. It must be dealt with.

[USALiberal]

22. +1000

[thesquanderer]

23. who? what? (n/t)

[niyad]

27. The woman who was killed storming the Capitol.

[ewagner]

32. Haven't seen

any posts with info about the woman..

anybody have a link?

[niyad]

41. There were several here on DU last night.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. 14 years military, ex, Q nut, Lin Wood retweeter

[Tanuki]

43. Ashli Babbitt

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/ashli-babbitt-woman-shot-and-killed-in-storming-of-us-capitol-named

"A woman shot and killed by police during the storming of the US Capitol by a pro-Donald Trump mob has been named as a 14-year veteran of the US air force and of four foreign military tours, including to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ashli Babbitt, 35, had travelled to Washington DC from San Diego, her husband told the local news station KUSI, adding that she was a passionate Trump supporter.
.....

Less than a day before she joined the Trump loyalist protest, Babbitt, an avowed and public Trump supporter as well as a subscriber to a number of alt-right conspiracy theories, had vowed the insurrectionist movement could never be halted. “Nothing will stop us … they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours … dark to light!” she wrote on Twitter.
....
Tweeting under the handle @CommonAshSense, Babbitt described herself as a veteran and a libertarian. Her social media account is filled with declarations of support for Trump and condemnation of November’s presidential election, which Trump lost.

She also retailed many of the conspiracy theories shared by alt-right groups, including one about a vast network of high-profile and powerful paedophiles. Babbitt regularly retweeted controversial lawyer and conspiracy theorist Lin Wood, a high-profile Trump supporter who has litigated several of the president’s failed lawsuits contesting the election result."....(more)

[thesquanderer]

45. While I don't believe in the death penalty, if someone was going to die here...

...I'm glad it was someone on the evil side of it.

When I heard a woman had died, for some reason, I just assumed it was some kind of innocent bystander, somoene who worked there, that kind of thing. So this is, well, good news of a sort.

[Squidly]

119. theres a big difference between the death penalty and someone trying to breach a secured area

she was warned and she came through that window anyway with the intent to do who knows what. The shooter did his duty.

[sdfernando]

73. Ugh...from my town too.

Lots of disgusting wingnuts in the east county (Duncan Hunter's old district, and now Darrell Issa's...double UGH!!!). I don't head out that way much as I don't feel totally comfortable, being you know "brown skinned"

She knew, or should have known the risks in attacking the Capital. She wasted her life for what?

[catbyte]

83. Another phony "Libertarian," worshipping a man who created the largest deficit in US history--

and that was before the pandemic. She died a traitor to the country she took a vow to protect. No sympathy.

[Kaleva]

24. Lee Harvey Oswald was a vet.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

28. You beat me to it

Great minds...

[Kaleva]

35. Yes!

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

25. Good point. Lee Harvey Oswald was also a vet. nt

[Cozmo]

29. I thought you meant veterinarian when I read this

Thank God she didn't care for animals

[Jon King]

31. She might have been a good person years ago...

Who knows what she was years ago. But her social media shows she had gone full bore Trump crazy at least 5 years ago.

Whoever shot her might have prevented a lot more blood shed. Her group was getting more and more aggressive and they all calmed the F down once they saw her get shot. Kind of like what Japan did once we nuked them.

[ewagner]

33. link?

[Tien1985]

107. TW: shooting

IMO the people planning to take over Area 51 were more prepared for the possibility of being shot than these utter morans.

[Roc2020]

36. Then she should have known better

and done better.

[wolfie001]

37. She was a committed trumper

In one of her posted clips, she showed utter contempt for the people at the border fleeing genocide in their homelands. Mothers, their children, she could care less. No sympathy from me.

[Swede]

38. Lots of vets doing murder for Blackwater.

All over the world.

[judesedit]

40. Military training requires some brainwashing. There you have it

[cwydro]

63. I was in the military.

Dem when I joined and Dem when I got out.

I served in the same branch she did.

No brainwashing.

[sarge43]

66. Thank you

Behavioral modification, yeah. Brain washing, nope, didn't have the time nor the skills.

She choose to drink the Kool-Aid.

Former MTI aka recruit wrangler here.

[cwydro]

81. Yeah, I can still fold my t-shirts unbelievably precisely!

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[sarge43]

100. But did you check for cat wrinkles?

Backatcha:

[judesedit]

118. I always thought the Air Force was much more of the intellectual types

You just never know these days, I guess.

[denbot]

67. Bullshit, Grandson of a WWII vet, son of an AF vet, I'm a Navy vet, we're all Dems.

No brainwashing, just training for your job. No rational person would do the stuff you can be ordered to do, but that’s why you’re recruited when you are young and stupid in regards to your own mortality.

[judesedit]

109. Exactly. I'm the x-Army wife of a Drill Sargeant. I come from a military family.

I, in no way, am demeaning our service men and women.
I agree it is necessary in training for the job. My father and mother served WWII. Brother, Marines, Viet Nam. Brother, Air Force, Germany. Husband, Army, Viet Nam 2 tours, Iraq 2 tours. The woman who was killed was brainwashed by rw bullshit possibly during her active duty service and beyond. 3 of the service members above are dems, 2 rethugs. Thank you for serving and thank you for continuing to serve by being a democrat.

[Sgent]

44. So was

Benedict Arnold.

I actually heard a congressman Reuben(sp?) from Az or Tx compare Cruz and Hawley to B. Arnold yesterday, nearly spit up my drink.

[FailureToCommunicate]

46. Vet schmet. She broke her oath and died a traitor to her country.

[Dukkha]

47. absolute ZERO fux to give!

She got what she deserved and was put down for being a traitor.

[randr]

48. After serving her nation she died attacking it

End of story

[turbinetree]

50. She was an idiot, she is or was suppose to defend the Constitution even if she was

discharged, these idiots don't realize that they can get a letter from the Sec of Defense and its state's that they are re-activating your service............I have no fucking sympathy for her, she was a terrorist, and she is no fucking martyr, she was fucking traior, just like everyone else that was egged on by that orange hair POS and that hair stain fucking former mayor...........lock them the fuck up............................

[IggleDuer]

51. 14 tears of survice. Could get a retirement at 20.

Perhaps there is a reason why she left with six years to go?

[sarge43]

68. Yeah, few people bail voluntarily with that much time in.

If she were doing the four at a time contract, she had just one more to go.

Can't happen, but would have liked a peek at her report cards. Now her 214 is public record and available upon request.

[The Polack MSgt]

86. Yeah, I'd like a look at her EPRs as well

[sarge43]

94. Enlisted Performance Reports?

They were APRs in the fly force, Airman Performance Reports. We Personnel pukes just called 'em report cards.

It wasn't the rating (fire wall niners); it was the write up that you lived or died on. A few carefully selected words could mean a lot more "loser" promotion cycles. I'm sure it was the same way in the Army.

Favorite: "Sgt Smith voluntarily works a great deal of overtime." Translation: He has a miserable home life. ie he's really not mission dedicated.

[The Polack MSgt]

98. I bridged the APR to EPR eras

They tried to take subjectivity out of the system with the EPRs. Tried make the areas being rated more impactful than the over all rating on the report

[The Polack MSgt]

99. With mixed results

[sarge43]

105. Not surprising.

The nano second just one report is over inflated, every other one will be. I'm not going to spike my troops.

[Demsrule86]

53. So was the Oklahoma bomber and domestic terrorist who attacked the Olympics in Georgia.

She was a domestic terrorist and there were members of Congress in the next room.

[Pepsidog]

54. She swore allegiance to a false god and she paid for it with her life. Her god though could give a

crap about her.

[Progressive dog]

56. No it doesn't excuse terrorism.

[IngridsLittleAngel]

57. My dear, late grandpa served 28 years in the USAF

Enlisted in 1942, retired in 1970 with the rank of Colonel. He served to protect this country. He fought against the Nazis - NOT enable or empower or resurrect them. He would've been angry and sickened by what has happened the last 5~ years.

Babbitt took an oath to protect America, not destroy it!

So, as the granddaughter of a veteran who fought for America, not against it... She was a disgrace to that uniform.

[badboy67]

59. Trump said it best: "I don't really care. Do U?"

[griloco]

61. YeahBut, Trump is a vet, too....sorta

So she was Storming the Ramparts to save Der Führer.
How noble!!!

[smirkymonkey]

69. How disgusting.

He is absolutely revolting. Howard isn't much better.

[greenjar_01]

62. Thank you

[Aviation Pro]

64. Mighty quick flash to bang on getting remarried

Just saying that this traitor probably had some pretty loose morals just like her Bigly King.

RIP, I guess.

[packman]

70. Benedict Arnold was a vet to - up to a certain point

No sympathy here. She took an oath to an ideal, a promise and then decided to join a cult. Shame on her.

[Siwsan]

74. She disgraced her service

And violated everything she swore to protect when she took that oath.

[cp]

75. Traitor

[hadEnuf]

76. Although tragic, entering the Capitol Building through a smashed out window during what amounts to

a domestic terrorist storming, while both the House and Senate are in session should be considered very risky. Frankly I am surprised that more were not met with force when they entered the building.

It begs the question why these terrorists felt so confident and at ease while pulling off this insurrection....

[llashram]

77. don't care

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seeing as how trump has disrespected our service to this country time and again. Even calling us and the dead "suckers and losers" and the dead insurgent-terrorist was a woman and we all here know what he thinks of women, oh well.

[Paladin]

78. Her vet status makes her ultimate fate MORE deserved, not less. (nt)

[csziggy]

79. She should NOT be allowed to be buried in a National Cemetery

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Most veterans make plans to be buried in a National Cemetery. She may not have yet, as young as she was, but her family may attempt to inter her in one. This should not be allowed. It would dishonor the true veterans interred at that location.

Hell, she should be posthumously be dishonorably discharged so no one can profit from her service or death.

[Wounded Bear]

106. I believe you mean "not allowed"...

[csziggy]

110. Yes - will fix. Thanks!

[Wounded Bear]

111. No prob. I posted a similar opinion below...nt

[The Polack MSgt]

82. She disgraced the uniform I wore for 23 years 7 months and 9 days

Which W also disgraced by using it to escape service in Vietnam. By faking his way through a hitch in the Air National Guard. A slot he got through his daddy's connections BTW.

Lindsey Graham continues to disgrace the Air Force uniform with his sycophantic embrace of his treasonous "leader" Donald Fucking Trump.

Putting on any uniform is no guarantee of ethics - Tamir Rice and Brionna Taylor would agree if they could

[COL Mustard]

88. I'm A Vet

And would never think of supporting terrorism or terrorists. In fact, my oath, which still binds me to the Constitution, requires me to preserve, protect and defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

[StarfishSaver]

89. Notice black people are killed, they are identified by the worst thing they ever did in their lives

But when white people are killed, they are characterized by the most laudatory thing in their past.

Trayvon Martin smoked pot. Breanna Taylor once dated a drug dealer.

But a white terrorist shot while breaking into the Capitol during a riot was a "14-year veteran."

[Autumn]

90. No fucks to give, no respect earned. Fuck her, she died attempting to overthrow our democracy.

[relayerbob]

91. A disgrace and shitstain on the USAF

[The Wielding Truth]

92. Brainwashed.

[Permanut]

93. Vet here, agree 100%..

Fox news reported this morning that she was "expressing her opinion and got killed for it". I can't even get my head around how twisted this is.

[Nasruddin]

95. I'm sorry she died

This shouldn't have happened.

I've seen the video (or one of them). I'm sure an investigation will result, & the circumstances don't look good at all for the shooter, but we have to wait for the full story.

The Capitol Police or whatever law enforcement was involved by then really screwed the pooch the whole day.
Heads better roll. If we want to ID a department that needs to be defunded and replaced, this is the one.

As for those insurrectionists, they should be facing prison terms. Death penalty, tho, that's a stretch.

[Squidly]

120. It was 100% justified

The shooter was in a suit and tie...more than likely a member of the Secret Service. He was doing his job protecting members of congress by any means necessary. She came through a broken window of a door that had been barricaded with chairs from the inside. Video shows the shooter aiming his weapon from a defensive position and from interviews I have seen was warning people not to enter. She went in anyway. Shooter did his duty and she got what she deserved.

[Rebl2]

96. She was a

traitor to our country and wanted to destroy our constitution. No sympathy.

[Takket]

101. She disgraced the memory of every soldier who died

Protecting what she tried to destroy. She is a traitor to her nation and the military should change whatever terms she left under to “dishonorable discharge “.

[Wounded Bear]

104. I took the same oath she did. She reneged on it...

I hope she doesn't end up in Arlington. That would be a travesty.

[bullwinkle428]

108. How about that mass shooting a couple of weeks ago, in Rockford, IL?

The perpetrator was a 37-year-old Army Special Forces (i.e., Green Beret) guy, specializing in military intelligence. He's also a mass-murdering scumbag! That's his fucking legacy, as far as I'm concerned.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

114. From the vets around me...

They are pissed that a fellow vet would be in on this.

[meadowlander]

115. Our tax dollars paid to train her in skills she then turned against us.

If she's still in any way affiliated with the military, her survivor benefits should be stopped.

[Hassler]

116. So were Benedict Arnold and Lee Harvey Oswald

[Blue Owl]

117. A loser and sucker, according to tRump