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Nevilledog

(55,079 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:32 PM Jan 2021

🚨BREAKING: House Democrats have prepared Articles of Impeachment against President Trump



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John Kruzel
@johnkruzel
🚨BREAKING: House Democrats have prepared Articles of Impeachment against President Trump, warning that he remains "a threat to national security, democracy and the Constitution" after inciting insurrection yesterday. Drafted by @davidcicilline, @RepTedLieu & @RepRaskin
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🚨BREAKING: House Democrats have prepared Articles of Impeachment against President Trump (Original Post) Nevilledog Jan 2021 OP
K&R spanone Jan 2021 #1
YAY! Zoonart Jan 2021 #2
Yaaaaaay! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #3
Greatest Page for this very timely and important post! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2021 #4
And Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #5
So Pence declaring Trump unfit is off the table? Arne Jan 2021 #6
There are not any so called Wellstone ruled Jan 2021 #18
It depends on the wording. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #42
It would take more than two weeks to litigate the interpretation. n/t eggplant Jan 2021 #56
Try it anyway. What have we got to lose? lastlib Jan 2021 #73
The two options aren't mutually exclusive StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #59
Exactly - Do both! nt reACTIONary Jan 2021 #63
Pence is too afraid of magats to invoke 25th. louis-t Jan 2021 #104
The will certainly have the votes in the House for impeachment. madaboutharry Jan 2021 #7
hope they can get it on speed dial.. stillcool Jan 2021 #8
K&R cate94 Jan 2021 #9
K&R Bettie Jan 2021 #10
Precisely gratuitous Jan 2021 #20
I promise it is temporary. HUAJIAO Jan 2021 #49
And not even a change. wnylib Jan 2021 #66
THIS KPN Jan 2021 #78
It only needs to last 14 days. soldierant Jan 2021 #92
If it doesn't work it will distract him away from other situations he may try. Pauldg47 Jan 2021 #96
Given what Gaetz said after everything went down... cab67 Jan 2021 #69
They would have political cover to do it because Trump has already lost. NYC Liberal Jan 2021 #77
Maybe MoscowMitch won't be as willing to drag his feet. Each outrage between 01/06/21 and 01/20/21.. usaf-vet Jan 2021 #76
Yah, turn on the Mitch Speed Dial packman Jan 2021 #82
Convicting him would be the best thing for his party and the ambitious scumbags within. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2021 #87
This must be done,... ar least get the Fascists who oppose this on record once again. magicarpet Jan 2021 #11
Good! And at the least... ananda Jan 2021 #12
One of the drafters is Ted Lieu, my Congress critter! denbot Jan 2021 #13
mine too Celerity Jan 2021 #21
I love that guy MuseRider Jan 2021 #26
I did some calling too! Pauldg47 Jan 2021 #97
These were drafted by Jamie Raskin whose son committed suicide one week ago Happyhippychick Jan 2021 #14
His strength of character is amazing jmbar2 Jan 2021 #24
My Heart Went Out To Him Yesterday COL Mustard Jan 2021 #34
That is what I am talking about exboyfil Jan 2021 #15
Congress is not back in session until the 21st. MoonchildCA Jan 2021 #16
Roll Call vote? sdfernando Jan 2021 #17
Excellent. Let it go onto record, let him be the first POTUS to be impeached 2 times, the first for mr_lebowski Jan 2021 #19
Most important part? Moostache Jan 2021 #22
I can't read this and who is the guy posting. I have not seen this on patricia92243 Jan 2021 #23
John Kruzel of The Hill muriel_volestrangler Jan 2021 #30
Let's DO THIS. Please. (nt) Paladin Jan 2021 #25
Whatever happens jeffreyi Jan 2021 #27
A fast trial is fine. Dawson Leery Jan 2021 #28
K&R pandr32 Jan 2021 #29
Good to see it includes the call to Raffensperger muriel_volestrangler Jan 2021 #31
I wrote to my Rep on Sunday Retrograde Jan 2021 #90
K and R...Thank You for Posting. Stuart G Jan 2021 #32
Pelosi needs to declare an emergency session and do it fast. triron Jan 2021 #33
The resolution is perfect. Renew Deal Jan 2021 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Sogo Jan 2021 #36
Please make it so.... NHvet Jan 2021 #37
Would prefer Rebl2 Jan 2021 #38
I used to be stationed at Whiteman kirkuchiyo Jan 2021 #50
Impeachment is better. He can't run for office ever again. Dave Starsky Jan 2021 #57
Impeach him by tomorrow malaise Jan 2021 #39
Thanks Malaise. You Rock. Tommymac Jan 2021 #61
I had no idea, thanks for this. Horrible, Horrible, Horrible Cozmo Jan 2021 #71
Impeach him today. dalton99a Jan 2021 #40
Looks like they act fast when it's up close and personal housecat Jan 2021 #41
Impeachara BootinUp Jan 2021 #43
Just do it. Republicans will own inaction or not acting or slow acting bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #44
Just heard Traildogbob Jan 2021 #45
Rethugs are such good little Germans OMGWTF Jan 2021 #51
This is why it's not a good idea to impeach (as MUCH as he deserves it) sandensea Jan 2021 #60
I would however Traildogbob Jan 2021 #68
Absolutely. sandensea Jan 2021 #74
Agreed. TwilightZone Jan 2021 #94
+1 sandensea Jan 2021 #95
No way to sugarcoat it. We have an exostential threat in the white house ffr Jan 2021 #46
The first one did not stand a chance Roc2020 Jan 2021 #47
Excellent! Brother Mythos Jan 2021 #48
It needs to be introduced now. Doing so will limit powers of President LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #52
Yes! Nitram Jan 2021 #53
Great! Nt raccoon Jan 2021 #54
IMPEACH! roamer65 Jan 2021 #55
Time for a war on Trumpism... Jon King Jan 2021 #58
The Creature is so anti-nice.. GoldenMezzoDiva Jan 2021 #62
No more pussy footing around vlyons Jan 2021 #64
K&R MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #65
They are on vacation angrychair Jan 2021 #67
EXCELLENT! GET. THIS. DONE. NOW! debsy Jan 2021 #70
Impeach! burrowowl Jan 2021 #72
I support this but Republicans won't remove him. Rizen Jan 2021 #75
Thank you House Democrats, for fulfilling your oath Darkstar53142 Jan 2021 #79
He deserves it! But, even now, this will not get the support it deserves, Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2021 #80
at the very least it needs to be on official record Dukkha Jan 2021 #81
Every GOP senator can be on record... jcgoldie Jan 2021 #85
Exhibit 1 --Yesterday when he caused a riot Ohioboy Jan 2021 #83
Thank you! nt SunSeeker Jan 2021 #84
Just do it bdamomma Jan 2021 #86
Isn't the 25th faster? He needs to go. Paper Roses Jan 2021 #88
that depends on cooperation from Pence and Trump's cabinet eShirl Jan 2021 #101
GIT R DONE TomDaisy Jan 2021 #89
"Just move on him like a bitch" MagickMuffin Jan 2021 #91
I think this is a very smart decision. If the ridiculous R MoC willing to STILL Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #93
Could not have been done fast enough mdbl Jan 2021 #98
I called my rep and said he must be impeached. Merlot Jan 2021 #99
God-damned right! BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #100
No, they're not going to hurry back just to draw up articles. BUT it does help in several ways Rstrstx Jan 2021 #102
Do it now, in the wreckage of the Capitol bldg. louis-t Jan 2021 #103
Thank the Lord. peacebuzzard Jan 2021 #105
....It Is Way Past Time.... titanicdave Jan 2021 #106
Lock him up!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2021 #107

Wicked Blue

(8,867 posts)
5. And
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:34 PM
Jan 2021

Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Thursday called for President Trump’s immediate removal from office, either by his Cabinet or through impeachment, describing the violence at the Capitol on Wednesday as “an insurrection against the United States, incited by the president.” -- Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/07/congress-election-biden-capitol-live-updates/

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
18. There are not any so called
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:38 PM
Jan 2021

full time Cabinet Members except for a hand full. 25 th is a great idea,but there are not enough Full Time Cabinet Members to pull it off. Most are seat warmers appointed by Diaper Don.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
42. It depends on the wording.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:10 PM
Jan 2021

Perhaps it could be interpreted to mean "a majority of all the Cabinet that there are." It can't be a fixed number, because Cabinet positions come and go. Not often, but even once could "break" the statute.

louis-t

(24,618 posts)
104. Pence is too afraid of magats to invoke 25th.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:40 AM
Jan 2021

They would have his head on a pike.

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
7. The will certainly have the votes in the House for impeachment.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:34 PM
Jan 2021

Even if they don't get it to trial in the Senate, he should still be impeached.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. Precisely
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:39 PM
Jan 2021

Some Republican Senators were making noises yesterday that sounded like they thought things had gone a wee bit too far. I guess hiding in a bunker while an armed mob roams the halls above you has a chastening effect on a person. Let's see if the change of heart is permanent or temporary.

wnylib

(26,009 posts)
66. And not even a change.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:00 PM
Jan 2021

It is supetficial posturing for many. They know that people expect them to be against violence. But I think some in Congress were inwardly thrilled at the violence and power of Trump to set it off.

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
92. It only needs to last 14 days.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 06:21 PM
Jan 2021

My heart goes out to Jamie Raskin having to do this so soon after the loss of his son. What a patriot.

cab67

(3,749 posts)
69. Given what Gaetz said after everything went down...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:06 PM
Jan 2021

...temporary.

That being said, they might go along with impeachment just to save their backsides in the next elections.

Or not. Who the hell knows anymore.

NYC Liberal

(20,453 posts)
77. They would have political cover to do it because Trump has already lost.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:28 PM
Jan 2021

This would just be cutting his term short by 2 weeks — very different than removing him in the middle of a first term while he was running for re-election.

But as you say — who the hell knows.

usaf-vet

(7,811 posts)
76. Maybe MoscowMitch won't be as willing to drag his feet. Each outrage between 01/06/21 and 01/20/21..
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:27 PM
Jan 2021

... will be blood on the hands of all of the people who HAVE the power to STOP Trump NOW!

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
87. Convicting him would be the best thing for his party and the ambitious scumbags within.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 04:10 PM
Jan 2021

An impeachment conviction blocks him from running again.

The trick is which ambitious scumbag signs on first...

ananda

(35,141 posts)
12. Good! And at the least...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:36 PM
Jan 2021

even if the Senate Reeps won't convict, they will be forced
to side with domestic terrorism, sedition, and
insurrection.

denbot

(9,950 posts)
13. One of the drafters is Ted Lieu, my Congress critter!
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:36 PM
Jan 2021

I called his DC office about a month or two ago asking that he impeach Shitler.
Better late than never..

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
26. I love that guy
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:45 PM
Jan 2021

and you are very lucky. I would be ecstatic to even have a Democrat but Lieu is just awesome!

Happyhippychick

(8,422 posts)
14. These were drafted by Jamie Raskin whose son committed suicide one week ago
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:36 PM
Jan 2021

He's a patriot and a hero.

jmbar2

(7,987 posts)
24. His strength of character is amazing
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:42 PM
Jan 2021

Good channel for some of his grief into this. It would be too much for me to bear.

COL Mustard

(8,218 posts)
34. My Heart Went Out To Him Yesterday
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:04 PM
Jan 2021

While he was speaking. Truly amazing. I could never hold it together like he did.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
15. That is what I am talking about
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:36 PM
Jan 2021

Thank you House Democrats for doing your job so quickly. I still don't understand why Pelosi adjourned instead of setting up time this week to debate and vote on this impeachment.

sdfernando

(6,084 posts)
17. Roll Call vote?
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:37 PM
Jan 2021

I think that is standard for impeachment...but I want names of everyone that votes against impeachment.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
19. Excellent. Let it go onto record, let him be the first POTUS to be impeached 2 times, the first for
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:38 PM
Jan 2021

attempted Election Fraud, and the 2nd for Sedition and inciting a violent insurrection against these United States of America.

There is no question he has secured his spot at DEAD LAST in the pantheon of US Presidents with that stunt yesterday.

Moostache

(11,178 posts)
22. Most important part?
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:39 PM
Jan 2021

Barring him from ever again holding office or trust under the United States of America...his worthless, self-serving ample ass is unfit for any office, any trust, any dignity for the remainder of his shameful life.

Madam Speaker, since the Republican Senate has previously indicated that witnesses are not needed at a trial, please pass these articles and proceed immediately to a vote in the Senate to remove. To the GOP Senators THINKING about again giving him a pass...you should all resign immediately rather than cast such a vote.

This should be the easiest vote a Senator could ever have - shall the sedition encouraging, petulant criminal POTUS be allowed to finish his term AND continue to menace the political body of the nation? Or shall he be thrown out on his ass today?

Gee...let me think on that...

patricia92243

(12,975 posts)
23. I can't read this and who is the guy posting. I have not seen this on
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:41 PM
Jan 2021

any of MSM and I would thing it would be getting huge coverage.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,207 posts)
30. John Kruzel of The Hill
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:56 PM
Jan 2021

Supreme Court and legal affairs reporter for @TheHill, former lawyer.

He has pictures of the draft:



and more.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,207 posts)
31. Good to see it includes the call to Raffensperger
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 01:59 PM
Jan 2021

as it says, what he did on the 6th was "consistent with his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results...[which] include, but are not limited to, a phone call on January 2..."

That shows a consistent pattern of lawbreaking, not just a reckless speech yesterday.

Retrograde

(11,419 posts)
90. I wrote to my Rep on Sunday
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 05:08 PM
Jan 2021

asking her to start impeachment proceedings based on that call and previous attempts by Trump to undermine Michigan's votes by inviting selected state lawmakers to the White House. I think there's a lot of evidence to support a pattern of subversion and obstructions.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

NHvet

(298 posts)
37. Please make it so....
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:06 PM
Jan 2021

Add that to the list of firsts for the Orange Menace.
First president to be impeached twice. I like the ring to that.
That's going to burn!

Rebl2

(17,738 posts)
38. Would prefer
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:07 PM
Jan 2021

the 25th amendment. I know this is off subject and will probably be deleted. I live in MO about 70 miles away from where the stealth bombers are kept. I know what they sound like because they fly over the KC Chiefs stadium at the start of the season and they almost always fly right over my neighborhood. About an hour ago we heard one fly over. There of course is no game today. What is up.

kirkuchiyo

(402 posts)
50. I used to be stationed at Whiteman
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:23 PM
Jan 2021

As a matter of fact I was there they day the first one arrived. Probably training, I don't think the military leaders would allow him to just start bombing shit willy nilly at this point.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
57. Impeachment is better. He can't run for office ever again.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:44 PM
Jan 2021

Which shuts down his latest grift and gives the Republican party an excuse to ignore him as a potential 2024 candidate from now on.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
45. Just heard
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:18 PM
Jan 2021

On Thom Hartmann, Trump called into a meeting for Republican National Committee in Florida this AM, Rona McDaniel put him on speaker phone and he got a standing ovation type applause from them. A Day after his treasonous instigation of Duck Dynasty Militia Capital Take over. Do not expect a single republican to sign on to his removal.

sandensea

(23,336 posts)
60. This is why it's not a good idea to impeach (as MUCH as he deserves it)
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:49 PM
Jan 2021

It would go nowhere, for the reasons you just illustrated - and what's worse, it wouldn't play in Peoria.

Impeaching Needy Amin just 13 days before he's due to leave anyway, would smack of spite and vindictiveness to anyone who's not a staunch Democrat.

Yes - he's earned impeachment like no other president has (with the possible exception of Dubya).

But it's just not feasible - and would probably only erode support for Biden, just as he needs it most.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
68. I would however
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:03 PM
Jan 2021

Be good with impeachment after he is out. That is still able to be done, after we get senate. It would mean he could no longer run for any office, plus he would lose his pension and health care, as would Melonoma. They have taken enough of our tax money, especially being he never pays taxes.

sandensea

(23,336 posts)
74. Absolutely.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:25 PM
Jan 2021

Prosecute the spray tan out of him.

The smirk out of Prince Jared. And the silicone out of Ivanka.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
94. Agreed.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 07:35 PM
Jan 2021

I'm not sure why almost no one else can see this.

We apparently learned exactly nothing from last time. It's the only time in Trump's entire administration that he received a noticeable bump upward. The Senate is simply not going to convict, which leaves us exactly where we were last time.

It would accomplish nothing and could very well cut into Biden's support, in particular, and Democratic support, in general.

ffr

(23,398 posts)
46. No way to sugarcoat it. We have an exostential threat in the white house
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:19 PM
Jan 2021

And our republic cannot afford one more day.

Play the tape.
Play yesterday's insurrection and him inciting it.

Up or down vote.

Do it today!!!!

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
52. It needs to be introduced now. Doing so will limit powers of President
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:26 PM
Jan 2021

during the proceedings.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
58. Time for a war on Trumpism...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 02:48 PM
Jan 2021

The public sentiment will only lessen over time. Dems must go full bore right now. NY State must also have charges ready on Jan 21st against every Trump if they have a case.

debsy

(947 posts)
70. EXCELLENT! GET. THIS. DONE. NOW!
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:10 PM
Jan 2021

GET HIM THE HELL OUT OF THERE!

Don the Con is and has always been a clear and present danger to these United States. Anyone who supports him is complicit and/or actively involved in the attempt to overthrow the U.S. Government. Either way, they all deserve to be removed from office and prosecuted for sedition/treason/vandalism/etc.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
80. He deserves it! But, even now, this will not get the support it deserves,
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:42 PM
Jan 2021

either in Congress it in the M$M. Both must present, unequivocally, what he did and why it is not only disgraceful, but an impeachable offense. Dems are not as good at message discipline as Rs, and the M$M has both-siders disease, so I worry impeachment won't accomplish what we hope it will.

So depressing that even now, after this armed insurgency he incited and to a degree may even have orchestrated, Don Trumpleone still has loads of support in Congress.

I'd love to be proven wrong.


Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
81. at the very least it needs to be on official record
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 03:45 PM
Jan 2021

That he was formally impeached twiced. The most disgraced president in history

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
85. Every GOP senator can be on record...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 04:02 PM
Jan 2021

...as to whether the President inciting a riot on the capitol is just okie dokey!

Ohioboy

(3,891 posts)
83. Exhibit 1 --Yesterday when he caused a riot
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 04:00 PM
Jan 2021

Exhibit 2 --Saturday when threatened a Georgia Secretary Of State

Paper Roses

(7,632 posts)
88. Isn't the 25th faster? He needs to go.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 04:14 PM
Jan 2021

NOW! Before he does something that causes even greater harm to all of us.

eShirl

(20,255 posts)
101. that depends on cooperation from Pence and Trump's cabinet
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 05:52 AM
Jan 2021

hopefully they will do BOTH 25th and impeachment

Vivienne235729

(3,748 posts)
93. I think this is a very smart decision. If the ridiculous R MoC willing to STILL
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 06:27 PM
Jan 2021

support trump, then they need to go on record doing so. They can't hide behind their complicit silence.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
98. Could not have been done fast enough
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:49 PM
Jan 2021

get it to the floor! I wonder if trump's bitch mitch will let it go to a vote in the senate.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
99. I called my rep and said he must be impeached.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 10:45 PM
Jan 2021

I really can't take any more of him getting away with everything.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
100. God-damned right!
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:06 AM
Jan 2021

He is all of those things, plus a horrible, repulsive human being. Barely. A least Ted Bundy was reportedly charming.

Rstrstx

(1,648 posts)
102. No, they're not going to hurry back just to draw up articles. BUT it does help in several ways
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 06:49 AM
Jan 2021

First, Trump cannot grant pardons in cases of impeachment, so if he tries to issue any for anyone who had a role in this stunt they may not be valid. That would have to be sorted out by the courts. My guess is that if he doesn’t try to pardon himself and his cronies out of this mess the articles of impeachment won’t likely go very far, at least for the time being.

Second, the only consequential punishment impeachment carries with it (other than removal) is that it can prevent someone from ever holding public office again. Trump will be gone in 12 days. So Congress could just sit on any impeachment articles, hold their hearings, and just not act on it unless he tries to pardon anyone or run for office again. Nothing would rally the public more to the Democrats’ side than Trump trying to let anyone involved in this off the hook. Even a number of Republicans may be willing to pile on (see the last paragraph).

Make no mistake, there WILL be hearings over the breach of the Capitol and everyone who had a hand in it, including the President. Whether these come in the form of an impeachment inquiry or from special committees remains to be seen. One brilliant thing it does do is make any plans Republicans had for going after some of the cabinet choices or Hunter look stupid, petty and completely tone-deaf. They start this congressional term now in the minority with a weaker hand than they had even just after they’d lost the Georgia seats. Right out of the gate they’re on defense, giving Biden some critical breathing room early in his term.

As for running again, Trump is now radioactive to the Republican Party and this gives them the perfect out for them to try and run as far away as they can from him. The best we can hope for is that he threatens to make a third-party run in ‘24, in which case there would probably be more Republicans willing to impeach and convict than Democrats.

titanicdave

(430 posts)
106. ....It Is Way Past Time....
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:36 PM
Jan 2021

....that... t-RUMP.....had his ass thrown....OUT...OF....OUR....HOUSE !!!

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