In The Coming Days We Are Going To Learn This Attack Was MORE SINISTER and MORE COORDINATED Than

[Skraxx]

was initially thought. I'm coming to believe that this was a MUCH more serious attempt than what it initially appears. I believe the "chaotic mob" very well could have been cover for more disciplined, professional teams to infiltrate the capital with more clear, defined objectives. I believe that some of those activities were thwarted, but some may not have been. We have yet to even understand the full scope of what happened. I fully believe that one objective at least that may have been thwarted was the taking of congressional hostages and/or assassinations which would have absolutely given Trump a window to declare marshal law (see the pic of the guy with the plastic cuffs and gun in the chamber). Imagine if Pence was assassinated along with Pelosi and Schumer, etc. Espionage is of course also absolutely possible. Law Enforcement was given orders to stand down. Federal reinforcement was obviously denied, all to buy enough time to commit even more serious atrocities by teams that were embedded within the chaos. There was planning and coordination at the highest levels, with much more serious objectives than we know now. The chaos and confusion and interference was to buy time to carry out objectives, and then have the professionals flee.

[lindysalsagal]

1. Agreed. Those fools aren't that brave.

Frump weaponized his mob for weeks. Check who financed the websites.

[Skraxx]

5. Yes, There Needs To Be A Thorough Investigation

[servermsh]

2. I agree that there is more to this

I'm not sure how deep it goes. But some of those terrorists were prepared for something.

[Skraxx]

3. There Was Weeks of Planning, At Least

Trumps recent decapitation of DOD leadership is directly connected to the delays in the Nat'l Guard deployment. There was planning and coordination at the highest levels. Chaos would not have been the only objective, a mere delay of the vote, also, would not have been the ultimate objective.

Those pics of the security with guns draw at the door to the chamber....Those few men may have saved the entire Republic. Imagine if Pence was assassinated....

[greenjar_01]

19. I'm coming along to that position

I had thought it was mostly clowns trying to destroy the electoral slates, but that's a mere delay, and some of these folks look way more serious than that.

Agree on the guys with guns, and maybe we'll learn more about the actual shooting as well. Also some of the Congresspeople with military backgrounds probably helped in getting people to secure areas in an orderly way.

[c-rational]

22. Agreed, and well said. This was not what it appeared to be. Much more planning than readily

apparent, and the lack of security and delayed response telling. i was not watching the news when it started and when I finally tuned in I was aghast at the chaos. I did not see the dUmpster's speech inciting maggots to march on the Capital until today. There must be a reckoning.

[moonscape]

48. Yes, and how the various explosives planted around

figured in, and the van with explosives and guns. Very fortunate that even with the planning things went off the rails for them enough that they weren’t. Successful. Wonder if that was because even though it was a coordinated conspiracy, it couldn’t be broad-based enough to succeed.

Doris Kearns Goodwin said the closest thing to this was Lincoln’s election in 1860 and the refusal of southern dems to,accept it. Lincoln said if the minority cannot accept an election by the majority then they will prove that common men cannot govern themselves.

[Sparkly]

4. Many questions to be answered.

A lot are too easy -- who was there:fools are on camera and bragging. But that was a looooong time for a breach. Who hid among them? What was accessed, photographed, planted? What was copied, exchanged, altered? What else happened?

[Skraxx]

6. That's the thing, the Folks on Camera, Absolutely Need to Prosecuted

But I think they were diversions.

[greenjar_01]

20. Yup

[tulipsandroses]

7. I don't underestimate anything this evil POS would do. I don't underestimate what a useful idiot

he is to Russia.

[Meowmee]

8. Yes I agree

Sod was told not to send in ng. There is a lot more we will hear about.

[Eyeball_Kid]

9. THIS makes perfect sense. n/t

[Lars39]

10. I think the break-in mob was too unruly

for those that entered with more serious intent. I think the outcome would have been deadly if not for the Secret Service details that were there protecting Pelosi etc.

[Skraxx]

12. Or Maybe Not Unruly Enough

They weren't violent quick enough for the infiltration teams to get to the chamber quick enough to take hostages or assassinate...The congress folks had enough time to get away...

[Lars39]

17. Yeah, that works too

[Quixote1818]

34. Agree. Only a few of them must have known what was going on. The rest were pawns.

The ones who knew what was going on were just too small a number to get things ramped up quick enough.

[LizBeth]

11. Equities missing, I have no idea what that means. Who know what was done and we saw some that were

were more professional, undercover of the costumed fools

[Skraxx]

13. Yup, One Objective Probably Among Several Was to get their Hands on "Equities"

Intelligence....

[dweller]

14. Thus

All roads lead back to Putin ...

✌🏻

[RussBLib]

15. Considering Trump's cooperation with Putin

Would not surprise me if Russian operatives were embedded in the MAGAts

[greenjar_01]

16. Agreed. There were guys in there trained in targeted raids who were running an op

They were looking for material and people. Military/ex-military/ contractor types, not their first rodeo. Scary shit was happening, and way scarier than I think we'll probably ever know.

I also think it failed, or was aborted for some reason. It might be that the Capitol police actually did manage to move folks just in time.

[Skraxx]

18. It Failed

Or at least some aspects failed. I truly believe they wanted hostages and assassinations, that would have absolutely given Trump a reason to declare Martial Law. It would have been his Reichstag. Imagine if Pence was assassinated, as was threatened.

[Captain Zero]

42. I agree on the aborted. They did not see their final GO

signal or condition. Probably not being able to get their hand on Pence, Pelosi, Grassley within a certain time frame. The entire line of elected succession was in one place. All congressional leadership was in one place. All that would be left would be Trump and mostly acting cabinet heads. I've always suspected Mnuchin and Pompeo of being very devious. They are high in the succession line too.

[SoCal Roomba]

21. A quick Google Image search shows that...

Some of the folks that gained access to Pelosi’s office have ties with both Rudy and Roger Stone.

They walked into a place they had never been and knew where to go.

They ransacked the office of the Senate Parliamentarian.

They stole laptops.

I believe there were trained insurgents with two missions. Foremost, try to get the EC votes and destroy them. Luckily a quick thinking staffer grabbed them on the way out of the house. They were also looking to take hostages, although that was probably a secondary objective.

Remember, they were there to try to make the valid vote invalid. No matter what they say otherwise, that’s why they were there.

[Skraxx]

23. Yes, but I suspect even more sinister objectives

Stealing the votes would only delay things. This was a coup attempt. Imagine if Pence was assassinated, as has been threatened. Or hostages taken. Trump very well could have called for Martial Law.

[SoCal Roomba]

24. Absolutely a coup attempt.

I’m not trying to deflect from that. In fact I think it was a Coup attempt with clear objectives and trained insurgents. They just bungled the whole thing and created an even bigger mess.

They absolutely would have loved to get at Pence, Pelosi, or Harris. However, I believe that was a secondary objective as even they would realize that to be an insurmountable feat. Getting to the vote would have been the more reachable goal. I don’t think it would have changed anything, but they are grasping at straws at this point.

[relayerbob]

39. Agreed, but stealing the votes would be pointless, really

They are just pieces of paper. Woudn't actually change anything. Symbolically it would have been powerful.

I expect it was at least as much to grab hostages and maybe do a beheading on TV

[tableturner]

40. Agree with all you are saying, but....

"Getting the vote" was not as consequential as you seem to think. Those are simply documents that are easily reproducible. Getting those papers would have stopped nothing, and may have delayed things a day or two at most.

[greenjar_01]

51. They were definitely looking for documents

I thought electoral slates yesterday, but that had to be secondary or tertiary. The one image of the guy picking through a desk drawer in the Senate while the zip-tie guy barks out orders, whew. You don't ransack the Parliamentarians office like that unless you're looking for something. Yes, maybe the slates, but maybe more?

[bdamomma]

25. Martial Law

Flynn was putting that in tRump's ear. The whole thing should be investigated. tRump needs to be removed, he's a ticking time bomb.

I wouldn't put it past him or his cohorts to do some harm to Pence, or Pelosi or Schumer. One thing really is monstrous he enjoyed what he saw??? Chaos and mayhem, he's a very sick and dangerous man. I do believe something more sinister was going on.

[SoCal Roomba]

26. I've read reports that he was disappointed

That it seemed to be “low class”. He was getting what he wanted, but it wasn’t good enough for him.

This mofo expected a crisp military movement. He got a bunch of stoners that looked like they were invading a Bass Pro Shop.

Trump is not fit for office, and Nancy had better fast track that impeachment because Pence doesn’t have the balls to 25 his fat ass. Let’s let the GOP marinate in their dysfunction with an Impeachment.

The next 13 days will be tenuous to say the least.

[Wawannabe]

29. This this this

And this

[Quixote1818]

35. This twitter thread covers all of that

Link to tweet

?fbclid=IwAR2g-efxlx5vOM2qyvFn2--QFfAxfmyAHP33xNSzja0u-Gv3JpBt6tZSDhM

[tableturner]

43. Great thread!

[zooks]

58. Unlike the moronic sheeple, his face is completely covered.

[Skraxx]

61. Thanks!! Yup, That's the Deal, IMO

[doc03]

27. I have a harder time getting in our county court house than they did the

capital. We have security like the TSA, I had to take a 2" pen knife back to my car to see the county auditor.

[elleng]

28. and they won't stop.

[C Moon]

30. The photo of the police with pistols aimed at the broken door windows hit me the hardest.

I think it was men and women like that who saved our country.

[meadowlander]

31. If you want to destroy documents or other evidence, this is one way to cover it up.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were a few staffers (e.g. Devin Nunes' little punk ass posse) who were either in on it or took it as an opportunity to vandalise their own stuff.

[DENVERPOPS]

44. That's minor

compared to the National Intelligence matters that they had access to in the politicians offices.............

Maybe some of the thugs were foreign agents or spies using the attack for cover of what they wanted to obtain??????????

Maybe Trump shared his plans with Putin or Putin would have helped him plan what to do, slipping some of his people into the crowd...??????????

Add this:

Rioters on Wednesday breached the Capitol building and the Senate chamber, ransacked the offices of Pelosi and other Capitol offices, and a laptop was stolen from the office of Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley.

[BlueAJ]

32. High alert needed for the Inauguration

You mention objectives that could still be carried out at the Inauguration. I hope plans are adjusted to prevent anything like what happened yesterday from occurring again on the 20th.

[BadgerMom]

33. K and R

[Mr.Bill]

36. Certain elected officials need

to be kept in safe houses and stay out of airplanes until the 20th.

[relayerbob]

37. 100% agreed

[marlakay]

38. When I saw all the zip ties I knew

They were planning on taking hostages.

[badboy67]

41. What did Bill Barr know, 2 weeks ago, when he abruptly resigned?

[catbyte]

45. There seems to be two types of people there--organized, paramilitary units and yokels who

inadvertently gave them cover. The contrast was striking. You had MAGA goobers wandering around the Capitol gawking at everything then you had the guys decked out in SWAT gear, complete with kevlar vests and carrying zip-tie handcuffs. Getting into the Capitol was too quick; too easy. And the National Guard was not allowed to go in or carry weapons. They were forced into being little more than traffic cops.

This whole thing reeks.

[SheltieLover]

47. This!👆

I am amazed at the high # of professional people there! Stunning, really! Mind boggling that people would throw away great careers for dump!

I wonder if anyone has a clear face pix of creepy military guy with zip ties?

[greenjar_01]

53. One guy, yes, and probably identified already

The other guy was more professional, but shouldn't have had the zip cuffs so visible for the press camera guy, and maybe shouldn't have had that Tennessee thin blue line insignia. Other than that, dude is ghost, and in the wind.

[SheltieLover]

55. Someone knows who he is!

Super creepy! Maybe prince goon!
I meant the lawyer, politicians, etc. who were in on this. Omg! And posted their selfies online.

Covidiots!

[Tommymac]

57. Sorry I did not copy the link - he is all over Twitter now

Reportedly a guy has the info and has sent it to the FBI, but will not identify him by name.

He says the thug is high level military, command level.

But there are numerous tweets with pix and info out there if you search.

[SheltieLover]

59. I don't need it. Lol but ty

I wondered whether FBI can find him.

Perhaps blackwater goon?

Scary creep!

[SunSeeker]

46. We already know it's sinister. Trump made federal guard troops stand down.

After the rioters breached the Capitol, Pelosi and Schumer and Stenny Hoyer and McConnell were all locked up in a bunker calling the White House requesting national guard backup and getting NO response from the White House. Stenny happened to have on his cell phone the phone number of the Republican Governor of his home state of Maryland, Larry Hogan. He called and Hogan answered.

Stenny begged for state national guard riot troops from Maryland, and Hogan immediately obliged. But there was a problem. They needed approval from the White House. And the White House would not give it ....this stalemate continued for an HOUR AND A HALF until Hogan got a called from a lower level member of the military (Trump's upper level DoD appointees had refused approval). Hogan wasn't sure if this military person had authority to give approval, but he went with it and deployed his riot troops, in light of the urgency of the situation.

Hogan tells the above chilling story at the beginning of this 19-minute video:

About the time the Maryland troops arrived at the Capitol, Pence finally took the reigns and personally deployed the DC National Guard that Trump would not. It is not clear how Pence was able to do that since the President is the one who must authorize deployment of the DC National Guard. But again, no one really questioned it in light of the grave situation at the Capitol.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/01/pence-not-trump-activated-the-national-guard-report.html

The picture is becoming increasingly clear. Trump incited these rioters, then had federal riot police stand down for at least 90 minutes after the rioters breached the Capitol. By then a woman rioter trying to enter the Senate chamber had been shot dead, and a Capitol Police officer had been bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher by a rioter, resulting in catastrophic brain damage (they are now trying to assemble the officer's family regarding removing life support).

This was a deliberate act of insurrection incited, aided and abetted by President Trump.

[patphil]

49. Trump said he would go with them, but that was just one more lie.

That was just to encourage them to go all the way and take the Capitol. I think the objective was to take hostages, and give Trump grounds to declare martial law.
If professionals were involved, they completely bungled their end of the deal. The Capitol was cleared in just a few hours, no hostages were taken, and the EC votes were protected.

Ultimately I think Trump and his Congressional enablers are the biggest losers. That and the militants who occupied the Capitol. The footage of all that went on, and what led up to it, and the statements and actions of several Senators and Representatives, will be played back again and again. Any who survive legal action will find it impossible to defend their actions the next time they run for re-election.

[Jon King]

50. They planned this while thinking they would hold the Senate...

I think this was very well planned and investigations will show how deep the conspiracy went. But I also think while they were planning, they thought they would hold the Senate and make investigations very hard. They miscalculated.

When this is all said and done, many will go to Federal prison from government agencies and Capital police, etc.

[greenjar_01]

56. Good point, and probably accounts for Trump's Georgia rally Monday even as he thought they

were losers. Trump rarely did a rally where he thought the candidate would lose. Might have been desperation.

[JohnnyRingo]

52. Have you ever drank in a redneck bar?

There's always two or three Bros at the end of the bar who you know would come up with the idea to go there in the morning and spontaneously jump in and do something like this without thinking. They didn't get where they are by thinking.

Maybe you mean coordination by Capital Police or republicans to lead them in, but organizing these idiots is like juggling a handful of the marbles they lost four years ago.

[Jon King]

60. Yes, that is what I also think...

Exactly as you said, I do not believe the mob was coordinated in any way except to be promoted to come for weeks to insure a large group of very angry people.

But what was coordinated was the stand down in security. There was a coordinated effort by Capital police leadership, home land security, etc. to leave the Capital vulnerable. What the exact end goal was...delay the certification, kill Congress people, that we do not know yet.

[meadowlander]

67. I agree with post 35 above.

There was a big group of yahoos but also a small group of really bad actors using them for cover.

The yahoos were disorganized. The bad actors had a plan. It involved zip ties and making a bee line for the Parliamentary Secretary's office which some members of Congress said they would still have difficulty finding.

[orangecrush]

54. Erik Prince

Haven't heard that name used much in this.


Strange.

[ALBliberal]

62. Absolutely phenomenal thread. Thanks!

[byronius]

63. This is clearly true. Old-timey KGB dreams have all come true. They made this and they rode it in.

I can't wait for the US to finally stand up and defend itself. Several dozen criminal billionaires in Russia all need to be suddenly poor, and the Russian liberals and moderates need a helping hand to stand up and reclaim their nation.

[Skraxx]

65. Yup, And Biden will go After Them, Not To Mention Our Allies Who are Chomping on the Bit to have us

On board again in taking on Putin.

[TheFarseer]

64. It's possible they had tried to

Get the military on board and having failed to do that, went ahead with this anyway hoping the military would change its mind.

[Skraxx]

66. He Decapitated the Heads of DOD and Installed Lackey's who cause the delay in NG Deployment

So, there's no doubt about it.