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dansolo

(5,387 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:08 PM Jan 2021

Why weren't the Congressional computers secured?

I realize that people were ushered out quickly, but who knows what information could have been taken from unlocked computers. Wasn't the guy in Nancy's office showing a picture of her unlocked computer? Anyone could have stolen information or planted a virus.

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Why weren't the Congressional computers secured? (Original Post) dansolo Jan 2021 OP
IT / security sucks kirby Jan 2021 #1
I have gone through many trainings handmade34 Jan 2021 #2
Yes BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #11
No way. The first thing you do when a terrorist is at your door is erase everything on your computer DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2021 #12
Silly me! BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #14
I suspect all they would have to do is Disaffected Jan 2021 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #26
Yeah, easy as taking cheap shots eh? Disaffected Jan 2021 #29
as you're getting up OriginalGeek Jan 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #25
we drill for it OriginalGeek Jan 2021 #30
A simple keystroke would lock the computer. whopis01 Jan 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #24
I guarantee you I would have done that. whopis01 Jan 2021 #27
I read one account from a Congress member who said that LuvNewcastle Jan 2021 #3
You secure your stuff before you leave your office, whenever you leave your office. Klaralven Jan 2021 #6
Well, we all know that rules and common practice are often LuvNewcastle Jan 2021 #9
Does it really matter? kwolf68 Jan 2021 #4
Those are just the ones who were dumb enough to phootograph themselves. meadowlander Jan 2021 #21
I'm sure there are skilled cyber people on this. NoRoadUntravelled Jan 2021 #5
Papers were ransacked too Montauk6 Jan 2021 #7
Not tinfoil at all. JHB Jan 2021 #18
Yeah, in our office we are trained to never leave laptop unsecured without a cable... honest.abe Jan 2021 #8
You answered the question in your first sentence. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #10
Think of an active shooter situation happening in. your workplace HipChick Jan 2021 #13
I'm sure from now on.. stillcool Jan 2021 #15
I had work computers at two federal agencies in the recent past... 2naSalit Jan 2021 #19
Yes, ours too. meadowlander Jan 2021 #22
For fucks sakes...we barely got them out alive. Is there no end to criticizing Democrats. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #20
end-user training and crisis time apnu Jan 2021 #28
Do we know the computers weren't secured? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2021 #31

kirby

(4,535 posts)
1. IT / security sucks
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:10 PM
Jan 2021

People complain about screensavers / locking too quickly, so they get disabled or really long timeouts.

Federal Govt is one of the worst when it comes to security of their own stuff.

handmade34

(24,030 posts)
2. I have gone through many trainings
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:11 PM
Jan 2021

for Government contract work and ALWAYS one of the prioritized issues has been security and NEVER leave an open computer screen

BannonsLiver

(20,738 posts)
11. Yes
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jan 2021

How dare they not sit there and wait while their machines shut down, and update, and all of that before seeking to escape a violent murderous mob.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,938 posts)
12. No way. The first thing you do when a terrorist is at your door is erase everything on your computer
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jan 2021

Disaffected

(6,505 posts)
16. I suspect all they would have to do is
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:58 PM
Jan 2021

shut off power to the computer (pull the plug or flip a switch). Wouldn't take long at all.

Response to Disaffected (Reply #16)

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
17. as you're getting up
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:01 PM
Jan 2021

hold down the windows key and the L button

Lock screen comes up immediately. I never get up from my desk without locking my computer and if I'm sitting here staring at it for too long it locks itself.

I am on a Windows 10 computer but I'm sure other OSes have a similar feature.

Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #17)

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
30. we drill for it
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 04:27 PM
Jan 2021

regularly. Bomb threats, disgruntled employees, fire/hurricane etc... We don't always know it's a drill either. Nobody is trying to be a tough guy. My shit sure ain't worth getting blown up over and I still manage to hit 2 keys as I am getting up out of my chair. Maybe they should try training so it isn't such a huge inconvenience to keep sensitive material away from dopes in bear bikinis.

whopis01

(3,921 posts)
23. A simple keystroke would lock the computer.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:31 PM
Jan 2021

You hit the windows key and the L key. Done. It should be done anytime you get up from a computer with secure information on it.

Response to whopis01 (Reply #23)

whopis01

(3,921 posts)
27. I guarantee you I would have done that.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 03:55 PM
Jan 2021

Whenever I stand up from my desk, I do it.

It doesn't take any effort at all. Unlike the exaggerated procedure you described.

LuvNewcastle

(17,872 posts)
3. I read one account from a Congress member who said that
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:13 PM
Jan 2021

they were stuck in a spot with no way out but through the crowd. Sounds like they just barely escaped, and they either didn't have time to secure them or couldn't get to their computers.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
6. You secure your stuff before you leave your office, whenever you leave your office.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:24 PM
Jan 2021

Actually, Pelosi's laptop should not have had any classified information on it.

LuvNewcastle

(17,872 posts)
9. Well, we all know that rules and common practice are often
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:30 PM
Jan 2021

at odds in the workplace. I'll bet they pay attention from now on.

kwolf68

(8,452 posts)
4. Does it really matter?
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:14 PM
Jan 2021

Assuming those jackasses can read, most of the fools in the offices wouldn't probably know sensitive information if it bit them on the ass. That jackass in Pelosi's office stole some mail I understand. He probably got the envelope from Publishers Clearinghouse instead of the one from a senior state executive.

While there were absolutely pros on the scene of the failed insurrection to me they looked like they were there to take hostages (ie, "arrest people&quot . But the ones who appeared to have access to the offices were not from the high rent district intellectually.

meadowlander

(5,144 posts)
21. Those are just the ones who were dumb enough to phootograph themselves.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:12 PM
Jan 2021

We don't know how many people actually had access to those areas.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
5. I'm sure there are skilled cyber people on this.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:14 PM
Jan 2021

But your point is a good one. Could this have been Trump's final gift to Putin? Incite insurrection on the Capitol Building so the Russian agents among his devoted followers could seek out information?
Speaker Pelosi's office was ransacked per the photos. There was paperwork everywhere. Someone was looking for something.

Montauk6

(9,340 posts)
7. Papers were ransacked too
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jan 2021

Who's to say these thugs didn't steal anything to sell to questionable parties later? Yah, it's tinfoil but I feel entitled...

JHB

(38,282 posts)
18. Not tinfoil at all.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:06 PM
Jan 2021

While the delusion-drunk goofballs were probably hoping to find a "smoking gun" that would prove all their jackass conspiracy theories, there were some people who were acting with real purpose and might be more focused on what might be useful to unauthorized outside parties.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
8. Yeah, in our office we are trained to never leave laptop unsecured without a cable...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:27 PM
Jan 2021

unless we are physically present with the device.

HipChick

(25,615 posts)
13. Think of an active shooter situation happening in. your workplace
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jan 2021

last thing on mind is going to be thinking about my work computer

that said, these computers typically required a CAC card to work and disks are encrypted..

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
15. I'm sure from now on..
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:41 PM
Jan 2021

any time anyone in the Capitol buildings will make sure they're locked and loaded, with armored vests, and all is secured before leaving their office. The next time they are attacked they will make sure all is removed from the floor of the Senate and House. Happy?

2naSalit

(103,584 posts)
19. I had work computers at two federal agencies in the recent past...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:09 PM
Jan 2021

ALL of our computers (laptops mostly) would lock themselves after a few minutes if left open without keystrokes or mouse movement. They also do that if quickly closed with files open. If it was a desk top computer, there were additional protections all of which are updates at short intervals of days to weeks. Every worker is trained in security protocols. I suspect that little will be gained.

meadowlander

(5,144 posts)
22. Yes, ours too.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 01:14 PM
Jan 2021

It means if they did get access to one of the computers it's because they got into the offices within 2-3 minutes of staff being evacuated from them.

apnu

(8,790 posts)
28. end-user training and crisis time
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 04:00 PM
Jan 2021

First the users have to be trained to lock systems and secure them when they leave. Users fail this 90% of the time. I know because its what I do. I have to set my company's systems to lock after 5 minutes, and even that fails to go because Microsoft is trash.

The second is time in a crisis. They had no real warning, it was business as usual there until they got alerts that the building was breached. So they followed instructions which was, essentially, GTFO. Just like a fire -- don't grab anything, not even your coat, and get out. So they did.

Whatever was on their desk was fair game, whatever computers were open and on, were on. Someone stole a laptop from Pelosi's office.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,705 posts)
31. Do we know the computers weren't secured?
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 04:37 PM
Jan 2021

My "work" laptop (when I used to work) was simple. Close the lid, and it requires a password to unlock. It requires another password to run the decryption software. without that, the whole hard drive is just one encrypted glob of bits. Remove the drive, attach it to another computer to look at it, and it's still one big encrypted blob of bits.

And the info on my computer was not classified. Not even sensitive, as in "health" or "personnel" data.

How hard is it to put encryption on congressional computers?

They should be secured so they're of no use to a thief who wants the data.

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