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[OrlandoDem2]

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1. we need 2/3rd in the senate for conviction

it's starting to sound like we might actually get one or two senators. but 17?

not likely, i don't think....

[Aristus]

4. Yeah, the repuke Senators vote to impeach, and they go home and get clobbered

by the MAGAts in their district.

They don't have the spine to do the right thing...

[Glorfindel]

10. Senators don't vote to impeach. They vote to convict and remove.

Representatives vote to impeach, and I hope they will. *tRump will then be the only twice-impeached president.

[Aristus]

11. That's right. I knew that. Stupid mistake.

Thanks for the correction.

[mikeysnot]

13. Spineless

[jmowreader]

33. You assume MAGAts are the majority in that party

At best they are a noisy minority.

[wryter2000]

5. I hope to see how many Republicans would vote to remove him

I think you're right that we'd get a few. I'm really curious about whom.

[stopbush]

6. The only reason that R Senators would vote to convict would be to

ban him from ever running again, thereby removing a major PITA from the future of the GOP. If enough R Senators vote for removal they could to some extent insulate themselves from primary challenges in the 2022 and 2024 election cycles.

[Pobeka]

9. If articles make it to the senate.

Imagine the politcal ads for the 2022 senate races for every senator who doesn't vote to convict.

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I don't think they can view this as the usual closing of ranks to support the GOP.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

21. Actually, it's 2/3 of those present, so we just need to convince some pukes to stay home a while.

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22. cool. so first we bar the maskless from the chamber by majority vote....

[LakeArenal]

2. I say great. Let end the Republican Party.

Four years is long ways away. Besides he doesn’t want the Presidency. He wants the donations. In four years Trump will be a dirty word.

[MontanaMama]

3. How quickly can the two GA Senators be sworn in?

That would be the only chance of it happening...and it would be slim at best. Can’t count on Susan Collins...she’s still believing tRump has learned his lesson.

[stopbush]

8. I believe they're sworn in in 1/23.

[Glorfindel]

7. Not 50. It would take 67, which won't happen.

The House will doubtless impeach, as they, should, but the Senate would never convict, and he'll already be out of office by the time the trial started. Let him run again. A good way to split the rePuke party.

[OrlandoDem2]

32. Precedent says otherwise

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/07/we-must-impeach-trump-and-bar-him-from-holding-office-again-now

[dware]

35. Here's where the confusion is:

If we do not impeach and get over 50 votes that traitor can run again.

You didn't add the part where it would take 2/3rds of present members of the Senate to vote to convict and remove before the another vote is taken to bar him from public office, which, as you state, only takes a simple majority 51 vote threshold to approve.

[StarfishSaver]

39. This.

[EndlessWire]

34. Maybe that's all they'll want

or maybe they have had their fill and would not like to hear from him again. With him out of office and unable to threaten them with consequences, maybe they'll be less afraid.

He can be impeached after he is gone, but it is better to start now and finish after if need be.

[apcalc]

12. If he has a criminal conviction of any kind, can he run?

[dware]

16. Yes. nt.

[dware]

14. LOL.

You really need to read the Constitution.

1. it doesn't take 50 votes to impeach, it takes a simple majority of the House to send Articles of Impeachment to the Senate.

2. Once the Senate receives the Articles of Impeachment, then there's a trial by the members of the Senate after which there is a vote to either convict and remove, which requires a 2/3rds vote of members present, or acquittal which is a simple majority.

3. Just simply being impeached DOES NOT prevent him from running in 2024, for that to happen, there would have to be a 2nd vote after conviction to bar him from ever holding office again.

[OrlandoDem2]

31. I know all of that and I know you all do too. However, 50 votes in the Senate

precludes him from holding federal office based on precedent.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/07/we-must-impeach-trump-and-bar-him-from-holding-office-again-now

[StarfishSaver]

40. But FIRST, 2/3 of the Senate would have to vote to convict him

He must be convicted before the punishment can be imposed. That's not going to happen.

[dware]

41. +100. nt

[beachbumbob]

15. you are forgetting that Sedition Act is in full play with this and includes trump

[cbdo2007]

17. Which is realistically probably the best way forward here and just HOPE something bigger doesn't

happen before the inauguration.

[beachbumbob]

23. if an event happens, DC gonna need lots of body bags as this time it will be met with force

the cops are boxed in and the NG will be under orders. The outcome will not go well for traitors

[Demsrule86]

18. Impeachment doesn't affect his ability to run again...as for 50...you need 2/3 for conviction.

[BGBD]

26. Yes it can

A conviction in the Senate can include an amendment that bars the person from holding any federal office again. That amendment only requires a majority vote to include with the conviction.

[Demsrule86]

37. You need 2/3

[dware]

38. Not for the vote to bar him from running for office again,

it's a simple majority vote.

[StarfishSaver]

42. The penalty of removal and disqualification can only be imposed AFTER conviction

And he can only be convicted with a 2/3 vote.

If he is not convicted by a 2/3 majority vote, it doesn't matter if a simple majority would have disqualified him. It would never come to a vote.

[dware]

43. Exactly!!!

He would have to be convicted in the Senate by a 2/3rds vote first, without that, then there is no 2nd vote.

[BGBD]

46. The point

is that that there may actually be 2/3 willing to convict right now.

At that point a majority could keep him from holding office again.

[BGBD]

45. No you don't.

That's just not accurate.

Once convicted, a simple majority can impose a permanent ban from holding office again.

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/could-trump-impeached-and-removed-from-office-then-run-again-for-reelection/bl1tTKI0yZ5ElthFGslmhI/

Once a person is convicted in the Senate, senators take up the issue of banning the person from ever holding office. A simple majority vote of senators present at the time is required for a person to be banned from holding office in the future.

[mikeysnot]

19. Petition

https://www.change.org/p/u-s-house-of-representatives-impeach-trump-for-illegal-interference-with-federal-elections

[Kablooie]

20. Inciting insurrection also bans all future public office.

And he clearly did that.

[MissMillie]

24. and if he's impeached, he cannot be pardoned

not by anybody.

per Article II

"and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

[WyattKansas]

25. All those yelling for impeachment now... There will never be enough Republican votes to impeach.

The Petulant Fatass Grifter knows he is running out the clock and pushing all boundaries his enablers feign having for him. Nothing is realistically going to put a stop on him, unless Mike Pence sends him away gagged in a straight jacket.

However on January 20th it is critical and crucial to the nation that all criminal activities, abuses of power, dereliction of duty, etc. etc. of the last four years be exposed and forced into the public spotlight. Along with all the co-conspirators and those in government positions that enabled any of that criminal activity. BURN all of their asses with the truth and call them out for being so corrupt and dirty... No more treating Republicans like good honorable people who were unfortunately caught in a bind, so they shouldn't have to earn respect with integrity. They all voluntarily put themselves in that position and helped escalate the criminal activities. Don't tell me Moscow Mitch didn't directly have knowledge of dangerous criminal activity going on with the tRump Klan through his wife.

Everything from simple failures to traitorous activities need to immediately made public to blow up the powder keg tRump is trying to light in this country with his voters. Burn all of their asses with it all, otherwise the same assholes will be back another day threatening and destroying even more.

[MurrayDelph]

27. If we impeach after the 20th it'll only take 50 votes

It takes 2/3 to remove, but only a majority to bar from future office.

And if it's done after the 20th, we should also prevent Barr, Davos, Chao and any other Cabinet member too chickenshit to defend this country from ever holding a position of power and responsibility again.

[Polybius]

36. Can we do it after the 20th when he's out of office?

I didn't know that.

[StarfishSaver]

44. No.

An ex-president is no longer under the jurisdiction of the Senate.

The only way I could see that happening is if he were if the Senate convicted him prior to noon on 1/20 but didn't get the chance to disqualify him before noon. Arguably, they'd still have jurisdiction over the matter since it was still being voted on and could then vote to disqualify him from holding future office. But otherwise, I don't believe the Senate could vote to convict or punish an ex-president.

[El Supremo]

28. I think he could still be impeached and convicted after he leaves office.

That would be solely for preventing him from running again. That is why impeachment is far better than than the 25th.

[maxsolomon]

29. YOu really should self-delete this.

You're just factually wrong.

Impeachment is in the House. It is essentially an indictment, which then goes to trial in the Senate.

>50 votes are required to even hear witnesses in the trial. that's the bar that wasn't cleared in the 1st go-round this time last year.

67 to convict.

17 repukes would not vote to convict, even once he's out of office. i can't name 4 i'd be confident would vote to even hear witnesses, let alone convict.

rmoney, murkowski, sasse. then my list runs dry.

[NotASurfer]

30. If we do impeach, 45 will focus on the impeachment

That leaves him less focus to burn things to the ground on his way out.

The Speaker, I think, recognizes that Tuesday was essentially a mob hit ordered by a mob boss wanna-be and that at the same time, the same people who were targeted (Pence in particular) will not act appropriately. Speculatorily, the calculation is whether this will be enough to steer Two Scoops into nonproductive rage tweeting (give him a fake phone and tell him he's tweeting anyway) instead of focusing his easily-distracted excuse for a mind on causing actual mayhem. Also securing him a place in infamy for being impeached twice