Alyssa Farah can fuck right off calling that dead insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt an 'innocent victim'

[Celerity]

Babbitt was a treasonous POS who paid the traitor's price, and justly so.

This is on the Andrea Mitchell Reports show on MSNBC right now.

[Miguelito Loveless]

1. Arguably, she's a victim

in the same way the Jonestown followers, or Heaven's Gate cultists are victims.

Oh, and $cientologists.

[Celerity]

3. she was NOT an innocent, she was actively involved in an insurrectionist coup attempt versus the US

[Miguelito Loveless]

10. And people at Jonestown actively

assisted Jim Jones in doling out the poison, and hunting down the unbelievers who had second thoughts. I am not excusing the behavior, I am explaining it.

[Celerity]

14. you are conflating a small cult with a giant, in-power political movement of tens of millions nt

[Miguelito Loveless]

46. Trump and the folks that follow him

have genuine cult-like behavior.

[Celerity]

52. yes, but unlike Jonestown nutters, MAGAts are the power manifestation of the person

who still occupies the most powerful position on the planet

the scale of economy is exponentially larger

[marble falls]

15. You aren't a victim if you're playing a game with armed comrades against armed cops ...

... breaking into the Capitol.

[Miguelito Loveless]

49. They see themselves as saviors of society

which is the delusion that allows them to justify breaking the law. To the British, the First Nations, and the Africans, the "Founding Fathers" were the epitome of evil.

[marble falls]

51. And we don't need no RW "saviors". That the sad part: when you ask them specifically ...

... about how Democrats or Joe Biden hurt them, they can't come up with one specifically with them; it's always a second hand story with no facts. How do they make themselves responsible for victims of crimes that weren't even committed, like the pizza parlor child sex club?

Particularly when we live in a world of real abuse but no outrage.

[Miguelito Loveless]

53. True, we don't need these types of saviors

The trouble is they believe this stuff. Truly they do. I have spoken with a few. I also remember speaking in the past to religious types utterly convinced of "Satanic cults" who murdered babies in rituals, despite the fact that no evidence has EVER surfaced to support such a claim. As an atheist, I see all religion as delusional to some degree, which of course, immediately gets me in trouble with people of ALL political stripes.

The desire to demonize people as "evil" reminds me of Susan Smith, a woman who murdered her children back in the 1994, and blamed it on an imaginary "black carjacker". This woman was vilified as evil incarnate, and the prosecutor wanted to seek the death penalty, something people howl for to this day. Is there anything more evil than murdering your own children and then using racism as a means to blame someone else? One is hard pressed to argue against that, but when we set that aside and look at her life, we find some explanation about why she was mentally and emotionally damaged.

Her father committed suicide when she was a young girl, something she tried when she was 13. Her mother remarried a respected church elder, who then sexually abused and assaulted her through her teen years into adulthood. When she finally complained about the abuse, the matter was glossed over by the community, despite her stepfather admitting to the abuse. He didn't go to jail, and continued to sexually abuse her up until six months before she murdered her children (she had married, but the relationship fell apart for some reason ). So then, here she is on trial for an unforgivably horrific crime, is tried, and convicted.

Does what happened to her excuse murder? No. But it would seem to explain how she became the way she was. Also, is it unfair to ask where were the authorities when she was the victim? Those people screaming for blood vengeance? If we refuse to look at why people are the way they are, how can we prevent more people like them?

In the case of this air force veteran, someone lied to her, probably someone she trusted. She just didn't wake up one morning believing as she did. She did not see herself as evil, but as a hero. A hero is a world fabricated with lies, told by people either equally delusional, or by people like Ted Cruz as a cynical ploy for power, money and fame.

[dware]

21. Arguably, no she wasn't a victim,

she was an adult, and an Air Force veteran with Security Police experience, she knew what she was doing was illegal, she knew what could happen.

She was in no way a fucking victim, she was a traitorous Qnon, Pissolini supporter who paid the ultimate price for her fucking stupidity.

My sympathies lie with the people that were trapped in the bldg and the police officer who was forced to fire the fatal round.

[Miguelito Loveless]

48. No, she thought what she doing was "right"

That is, of course, not true, but no villain believes themselves a villain. Demonizing and dehumanizing is what THEY do, and what we must avoid.

We can debate the nature of evil, but that will not change the fact the people like her do not see themselves as evil. They write off other people as "evil", hence their ability to justify the evil they do as "right".

[Downtown Hound]

22. Even those people ultimately only hurt themselves

They didn't assault 230 years of democracy and try to overturn the will of 81 million voters. They are victims of themselves and their own prejudices every bit as mich as they're victims of Trump. Trump just pours gasoline on what's already in their hearts.

[Miguelito Loveless]

47. Arguably the Nazis were a cult

and they certainly hurt others and changed the world.

The most successful cults manipulate emotions, and play on fears & prejudices.

[SheltieLover]

2. No such thing as innocent victim in my mind

For anyone, who in the commission of a violent felony, gets terminated.

Play with fire & get burned.

[SheltieLover]

16. I'm not sorry she died tbh

And cop who shot her should get a medal imo.

She knew what she was doing! Military experience in this area!

I hope she rots in traitor hell!

[SheltieLover]

32. Tbh, nothing mixed here for me

I would feel same if 100% of traitors who sought to kidnap, torture / kill our beloved leaders had met the same fate.

I know what you mean, though about layers of conflicted emotions.

I'm just personally not conflicted about this. She was a well-trained terrorist in our military!

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[SheltieLover]

45. Glad I'm conveying my sentiment accurately

Had she not chosen to engage in an insurrection &, say, got hit by a bus, I would feel badly for her.

She chose to behave in a seditious manner in a terrorist attack on our entire line of succession!

[marble falls]

26. She may have been a fool, but she got herself into this knowingly and purposefully ...

... and like you say: from her words and actions - no saint at all

[marble falls]

30. You're doing fine, my friend!

[choie]

4. bullshit

she was shot because she was trying to enter the tunnel leading to the house members. She was a goddamn criminal.

[SheltieLover]

33. Absolutely!

She was well trained by our military for this event. Fuck her.

Rot in hell, traitor!

[dalton99a]

5. She was a legitimate and urgent threat, and the cop did his job.

[SheltieLover]

34. Yup!

Thankfully so!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

6. Leave it to Andrea to find these kinds of interviewees.

[Celerity]

7. the grand dame of bothsiderism

[beachbumbob]

8. who cares?

[Celerity]

9. you seem to enough to read and then reply nt

[beachbumbob]

23. that was the extent of my caring of what any talking head has to say about anything

and why I just don;t watch the nonsense

[Celerity]

39. It is part of a systemic whitewashing effort to paint the attempted coup as being perpetrated by

innocent automatons, with no responsibility nor culpability for their own actions.

[RealityCheque]

12. Tell her to watch the video...

Of what Babbitt was doing at the moment she was shot! Tell that to the family of a capital police officer who died from blunt force trauma by means of a fire extinguisher at the hands of one of Babbitts so called “patriot” friends.

[kcr]

50. Exactly. She should read the article

about those on the other side of the door who were hiding under chairs and texting and calling their loved ones to say goodbye. Screw Babbitt. The officer who shot her was protecting those people. He's a hero.

[RealityCheque]

54. Amen

[Midnightwalk]

13. Enemy combatant not innocent victim

Yes the insurrectionists were the bad guys. Two days later mealy mouthed bullshit artists like mitchell are already white washing who they are

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

20. Yep.

[SheltieLover]

36. Absolutely!

[Squinch]

17. Let me guess: Mitchell let it pass without comment, right?

[Celerity]

42. pretty much, yes, which is what sparked me to post

[Vivienne235729]

18. agreed. Babbitt was an insurrectionist and died for her bullshit cause. She knew the

danger and CHOSE this path. Lets not sugarcoat this.

[niyad]

19. Who is alyssa farah?

[Celerity]

37. ex Trumper, White House Director of Strategic Communications and Assistant to the President

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyssa_Farah

In 2010, Farah served as a media intern for Congressman Tom McClintock and began a one-year position as an associate producer on The Laura Ingraham Show. In 2014, she was named Press Secretary for Congressman Mark Meadows; she was later named as his Communications Director. She went on to work as the Communications Director for the Freedom Caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives, serving under Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows.

In September 2017, she was appointed Special Assistant to the President and Press Secretary to the Vice President Mike Pence. While serving as Press Secretary to the Vice President, she travelled with Pence on numerous trips, domestic and foreign, serving as part of the official U.S. delegations to the Munich Security Conference and ASEAN Summit.

In April 2020, it was reported that Meadows, now Trump's Chief of Staff, had considered bringing Farah on as a White House Press Secretary. She joined the White House Office as the White House Director of Strategic Communications on April 7, 2020. In August 2020, The Washington Post reported that Farah played an important role in shaping the Trump administration's coronavirus response.

Farah resigned as White House communications director on December 3, 2020, effective the next day. At the time it was reported she planned to start a consulting firm "focusing on the corporate, political and defence realms" and that she had initially planned to leave before the election according to one person speaking anonymously. On January 8, 2021, a few days after the 2021 Capitol raid, Farah blamed Trump for inciting the insurrection and suggested that he should resign.

[niyad]

41. Thank you so much. So hard to keep track of the scum.

[Celerity]

44. yw

[StarfishSaver]

28. Some people on DU are calling her that, too

Go figure.

[melman]

29. Alyssa Farah should fuck right off in general

And so can MSNBC for giving her a venue to peddle her bullshit.

I'm a afraid we can expect a lot more of these redemption tours and the thought of it is pissing me off already.

[Solly Mack]

31. She crossed the last line of defense for protecting those sheltering in place in the House chamber.

Had the crowd got beyond those doors and the barricade, they would have made it to the remaining lawmakers who were trapped inside.

Of course the police shot her.

Had she made it through, all the others would have tried - and they would have overrun the few police left inside to protect the lawmakers.

So, yeah. Shots were fired in defense of the lawmakers.

Because that's what happens when you threaten lawmakers in the Capitol.

Nothing innocent about her actions. She just thought she could get away with it.

[C_U_L8R]

35. Deadender meets end. It's not even news.

The rest should consider themselves very lucky they didn't meet justice the same way. Fucking suicide by maga. Idiots.

[samnsara]

38. she committed suicide by stupidity..

[maxsolomon]

43. She's not innocent, but she is a Propaganda Victim.

Many, if not most of that mob are sincerely deluded - they truly believe the future of America is at stake, that Biden's inauguration will lead to an Authoritarian Socialist state. They are very very wrong.

The propagandists and con men who deluded them are as culpable as the victims of that propaganda.

Farah is one of those propagandists. Does she believe her own bullshit? It's hard to tell.

Trump appears to have been self-conned at this point; I think he really believes the election was stolen from him, because his Narcissism demands it. His ego can not take accepting defeat, it is easier to cling to the preposterous.

[Retrograde]

55. But she's just a little girl! And she's White!

It was just a youthful indiscretion. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time

We've heard all the usual excuses from Republicans ad nauseam. Babbitt was an adult, she traveled to DC of her own free will to take part in a demonstration, went along with the mob when it invaded the Capitol, and was actively participating in trying to get into the House chambers. She had to deal with the consequences of her actions: tough.

I think a lot of the sympathy she's getting has to do with her being a youngish woman: it seems there's sexism even in an insurrection.

[AntiFascist]

56. The officer that shot her likely prevented more bloodshed had the rest broken through the window...

did they not realize that "trial by combat" would have casualties?