CBS's Lesley Stahl: I gather that the 25th Amendment is off the table? To Pelosi

[Ellipsis]

Nancy Pelosi: No, it isn't. Nothing is off the table.

Link to tweet

[WA-03 Democrat]

1. Go Nancy!

[Ellipsis]

2. kick

Fast board tonight... wonder why. Heh.

[relayerbob]

3. There is a path for Congress to execute the 25th

"Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department[note 1] or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office"

[Sanity Claws]

8. Still needs Pence

And is there a law that has provided a body other than the cabinet to make the decision?

[relayerbob]

11. Perhaps. They just laid it out on Chris Hayes' show

Too complex for me to repeat, but basically there is an (obviously untested) provision to set up a 17 person commission, half being medical staff, half being former Cabinet officials.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. But to create the law that appoints that "other body" requires Trump's signature

I’m sure they will pass a law once Biden is in office, but not in the next two weeks.

[StarfishSaver]

17. Not right now

Congress can pass a law setting up a new body, but that will take time, have to pass both houses and get signed by the president. That's not happening any time soon.

[relayerbob]

21. Congress has the right to form Commisssions on it's own

So that can be construed to be "such other body as Congress may by law provide"

[StarfishSaver]

23. I know. But it still must be done with legislation passed by both houses and signed by the president

The House can't just create that body on its own in the next through days.

[relayerbob]

24. That's just the theory that was being discussed

They already have the laws in place to create commissions and investigations, etc. Obviously none of it has ever been tested. The 25th doesn't actually specify what sort of "such other body as Congress may by law provide" is required. It would end up in SCOTUS no matter who or what happened with the 25th.

[StarfishSaver]

25. It was never tested because it was never a problem

In the past it was mostly used when a President was going under anesthesia and they voluntarily invoked the 25th Amendment themselves. I think it was always assumed that if ever a president became seriously deranged and dangerous, the vice president and cabinet wouldn't be afraid do something about it.

[relayerbob]

26. Right

Definitely need some better and specific laws about criminal and mentally ill individuals in the Presidency

[wishstar]

4. Pelosi has announced that Jamie Raskin will present 25th amendment to Congress

[Sanity Claws]

5. 25th A is not up to Nancy

Maybe it means that Nancy knows that it is being discussed among Pence and the cabinet?

[wishstar]

7. Congress can carry out 25th and Nancy has announced Rep.Raskin is presenting it to Congress

see above post on this

[StarfishSaver]

20. Congress can't carry out the 25th Amendment

The most it can do is create a body that can invoke it, but that has to be done through legislation signed by the president and that's not going to happen in the next two weeks.

[Ellipsis]

9. Yes... I think she's saying Pence is still open to that path.

[RandySF]

6. There's no point

Trump would be given 21 days to argue that he is competent.

[Ellipsis]

10. ... didn't know that. Does Pence go in in the interim?

[tblue37]

12. I think Pence would remain as acting president during that period, which would finish of the

remainder of his term.

[relayerbob]

15. Yes, that sounds about right

[relayerbob]

13. That's to have him show he's competent.

It would appear he would be removed while trying to prove his competency

[StarfishSaver]

16. Why is she asking Pelosi about the 25th Amendment?

She has nothing to do with it.

Ask Pence and the cabinet members.

Sheesh!

[JI7]

19. Exactly, like what the fuck.

[Ellipsis]

22. I think its part of an interview.

Speaker Pelosi to '60 Minutes': "Sadly, the person that's running the Executive Branch is a deranged, unhinged, dangerous president of the United States ... He has done something so serious that there should be prosecution against him."

Link to tweet

[dutch777]

18. Until Pence finds a spine and gets mother's permission...25th goes nowhere

I do see that Pence is in ultimate no win political situation for his career. He invokes 25th he loses the Trump base and gets little from Dems for a Presidential run. He doens't and he is still just a schmuck from Indiana but he may hold some of Trumo base and still have bupkus from Dems. Sucks to be a loser and spineless but he bought into this deal and the end will not be pretty for him,