Why haven't I heard more about the idea of censuring...

[LAS14]

Last edited Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:20 AM - Edit history (4)

... Trump, using a constitutional measure that would bar him from future political office?

I had never heard about this before, but David Brooks brought it up on The Newshour. Sounds perfect! You might get the needed votes in the Senate too.

Does anyone know anything about this possibility?

Edit: It's at about 6' 20" in this link. The censure that "prevents someone from ever again running for federal office" is in article 3 of the 14th amendment.

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[doc03]

1. I thought about censure but have no idea if means anything other than

embarrassing him.

[LAS14]

4. David Brooks said it would mean he couldn't hold office again... I wish I could ask..

.. him for clarification.

[LAS14]

8. I added this to my OP.

Edit: It's at about 6' 20" in this link. The censure that "prevents someone from ever again running for federal office" is in article 3 of the 14th amendment.

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[PoliticAverse]

2. Congressional censure can't prevent a President from holding office again. Only impeachment

can do that.

Congress has no disciplinary authority over the President except through impeachment. Thus, presidential censure resolutions express the “sense of” the House and/or Senate without additional legal implications.

See:
Resolutions to Censure the President: Procedure and History
Congressional Research Service
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45087.pdf

[LAS14]

3. Yeah, well, I wish we had David Brooks here to explain what he said. See my OP. n

[LAS14]

9. I added this to my OP

Edit: It's at about 6' 15" in this link. The censure that "prevents someone from ever again running for federal office" is in section (para?) 3 of the 14th amendment.

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[PoliticAverse]

14. Well that has nothing specifically to do with censure (censure is not mentioned in that amendment).

His claim that censuring the President for that would invoke the Article 14 Section provisions:

No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

is speculation on his part and would have to be agreed to by the Supreme Court - do you think the current court would agree with that interpretation?

Impeachment is Congress' specifically empowered way to prevent a President from holding office again.

[Bev54]

5. It has been discussed many times

[LAS14]

6. What has been discussed? The censure maneuver David Brooks brought up? nt

[Bev54]

7. censure

[LAS14]

10. I added this to my OP.

Edit: It's at about 6' 20" in this link. The censure that "prevents someone from ever again running for federal office" is in article 3 of the 14th amendment.

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[doc03]

11. That could work there are Republicans that would support that if they

are thinking of running for president. That slime Cruz may vote for that.

[Bev54]

13. Yes it would but it is also a way out for them

I want consequences for the likes of Cruz etc. He is already trying to rewrite history.

[califootman]

12. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

[NotASurfer]

15. Say you were to indict somebody for inciting an attempted armed overthrow of the government

Upon conviction they'd damn sure meet the criteria specified under Amendment XIV section 3 barring them from ever holding public office