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Is there any punishment that Schumer and/or Democrats can mete out to Hawley and Cruz? (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jan 2021 OP
Censure, possibly. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #1
I think we should first focus on getting Trump out. TheRealNorth Jan 2021 #2
I'll join you. I will put my gum on the table while I'm walking Stinky The Clown Jan 2021 #7
Nancy can do two things at once. She has a bunch of kids and grandkids. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #22
They've already. Even seated StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #3
It takes a vote to expel them. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #4
Censure, maybe, for fundraising off the tragedy as it was happening? nt Ilsa Jan 2021 #5
How about not allowing them to serve on any committees ? Tumbulu Jan 2021 #6
That's kinda what I was thinking. Shun and marginalize them. Stinky The Clown Jan 2021 #8
That's a good idea TheRealNorth Jan 2021 #9
Their senate leader picks which Republicans go on which committees. herding cats Jan 2021 #13
But if Mitch decides to punish them Tumbulu Jan 2021 #17
Most definitely. herding cats Jan 2021 #19
Mitch is not happy with Cruz and Hawley right now. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #23
Maybe Hawley can be in charge of washrooms BlueIdaho Jan 2021 #10
14th Amendment says you can't be a Senator if you've engaged in insurrection or rebellion pecosbob Jan 2021 #11
They must be convicted of the crime to be removed. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #15
History shows they were expelled by their respective bodies without any trial or conviction pecosbob Jan 2021 #16
They can be expelled by 2/3 vote (as was the case in your examples above), or conviction Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #18
Can Schumer abuse parliamentary rules to ignore it every time someone calls them a shithead RockRaven Jan 2021 #12
Censure only requires a simple majority, the Senator must stand in the well and be publicly rebuked Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #14
As I've said before, censure is our best hope. herding cats Jan 2021 #21
On his own... BGBD Jan 2021 #20

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
22. Nancy can do two things at once. She has a bunch of kids and grandkids.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:51 AM
Jan 2021

Censure Cruz and Hawley and get rid of the F-Wad.

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
19. Most definitely.
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:03 AM
Jan 2021

Not that I'd trust him to hold them accountable, but if he's angry enough he has this option.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
10. Maybe Hawley can be in charge of washrooms
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:24 AM
Jan 2021

And Cruz can be on the “Green Eggs and Ham” perpetual dramatic reading committee.

pecosbob

(7,545 posts)
11. 14th Amendment says you can't be a Senator if you've engaged in insurrection or rebellion
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:27 AM
Jan 2021
Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


The burden is to establish that they have engaged in insurrection or rebellion and they must be removed.

Cruz has patently violated his oath of office.

pecosbob

(7,545 posts)
16. History shows they were expelled by their respective bodies without any trial or conviction
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:50 AM
Jan 2021
The three House members expelled in 1861 were: John Bullock Clark and John Reid of Missouri; and Henry Burnett of Kentucky. Burnett was expelled in December 1861 because of a motion that alleged he was “in open rebellion against the government of the United States.” Clark was expelled in July, for having “held a commission in the Home Guard of Missouri” (a pro-Confederacy militia) and for fighting with the Confederates at the Battle of Boonville. Reid was also expelled in December for “having taken up arms against the government of the United States.”

In July 1861, 10 secessionist Senate members were expelled for being “engaged in a conspiracy for the destruction of the Union and Government.” They were: James Mason and Robert Hunter of Virginia; Thomas Clingman and Thomas Bragg of North Carolina; James Chesnut of South Carolina; Alfred Nicholson of Tennessee; William Sebastian and Charles Mitchel of Arkansas; John Hemphill and Louis Wigfall of Texas.

In December, John Breckenridge of Kentucky was expelled because of a motion that declared he had “joined the enemies of his country and is now in arms against the government he had sworn to support.” Before Lincoln’s election in 1860, Breckenridge had been vice president under James Buchanan, and went on to become a brigadier-general in the Confederate army.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/congress-expelled-lincoln-election/

Fiendish Thingy

(15,689 posts)
18. They can be expelled by 2/3 vote (as was the case in your examples above), or conviction
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:02 AM
Jan 2021

Of Insurrection.

It must be one or the other, as outlined in the Constitution.

RockRaven

(15,042 posts)
12. Can Schumer abuse parliamentary rules to ignore it every time someone calls them a shithead
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:27 AM
Jan 2021

treasonous sociopathic asshole on the floor of the Senate?

That can be accomplished with a simple majority, right?

Fiendish Thingy

(15,689 posts)
14. Censure only requires a simple majority, the Senator must stand in the well and be publicly rebuked
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 01:29 AM
Jan 2021

They also lose any committee chairs they may hold.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
20. On his own...
Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:04 AM
Jan 2021

nothing really. However, with a vote he could bring censure or even expulsion with enough support.

They could also remove them from committees, but that would be easiest done with McConnell doing it.

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