Everything revolves around Joe Manchin now

[underpants]

We have to have 50 for the Vice President to break the tie.

[live love laugh]

1. He's already indicating he won't "make nice". nt

[ProfessorGAC]

6. Not Sure That's True

The full context of his statement was that the stimulus wasn't priority 1. What he thought it was, is the streamlining of vaccine distribution to get COVID under control.
He didn't actually say he didn't support the $1,400 payments.

[live love laugh]

7. I did not know that thanks. nt

[Polybius]

16. That's true

Still though, he said he won't vote to end the filibuster and won't support Supreme Court expansion.

[C_U_L8R]

2. There could be some Republican defections

if they keep fucking up and siding with terrorists.

[Silent3]

21. True, perhaps Murkowski, but then...

...they'll likely be as obstinate as Manchin on progressive policies too.

[tblue37]

3. I can't help thinking of how Joe Lieberman undermined our Senate majority, especially on healthcare.

[AmyStrange]

22. Yes, he was an asshole

[bdtrppr6]

26. old moanin' Joe

i hate that guy sooooooo much

guh!

[634-5789]

4. Think you'll see some repubs sliding into 'independent' status before long

[rurallib]

5. We should probably work on a strategy to peel at least one Republican

to join us also. Murkowski or Romney might be available depending on the issue.

I was explaining the Manchin problem to Mrs. Lib Wednesday morning after we celebrated the two wins in Georgia.

[MyOwnPeace]

9. Pretty much agree.....

thinking that Murkowski might be the more likely to flip.
I also understand Manchin's "problem" - there's plenty of thought that if we didn't "settle" for him as a W.Va senator we'd be sure to have another RepubliCon instead. I can see that to a point - but it should also be a responsibility of HIS to educate his electorate as to why HE is the better choice no matter what.

[uponit7771]

8. No it's not, there are 49 senators who can do the same thing he can do

[MyOwnPeace]

10. Yep!

50 of them standing there holding their "pockets" open and saying "What can you do for me?" Manchin is following in the footsteps of a "legend" of "pork barrel" projects for one's home state - Robert Byrd.
Not saying they want to line their own pockets - just looking for "goodies" to take back to their home state to make them popular with the voters at home.

[jalan48]

11. And big coal?

[Johonny]

12. Unless we peel a few off

Hello Mitt or Lisa. It's a big tent.

[JCMach1]

13. He will hold the swing vote along 5 or so Rep. Senators

[FakeNoose]

14. I'll bet Mitt Romney would vote for impeachment/conviction

[NCDem47]

15. Help me out.

Concisely, where has he sided with Democrats and where has he sided with Republicans? To the point: what does he have in common with Dems?

[underpants]

17. He is a Dem but WV is very hard to the right

He has to balance governance with elections.

[NCDem47]

18. I get that. But why even be a Democrat?

What values is he fighting for?

[underpants]

19. Everyone in WV used to run as a Dem.

Going back to the New Deal. WV (Sen. Byrd) is a public funding hole.

It’s fairly recent - really this century - for anyone to run as a Republican and have any chance of winning. Gov. Justice was even elected as a Dem and recently switched.

[Demsrule86]

24. Oh, I don't know maybe saving Health care for one. Without his vote, the ACA would be gone.

And he helps us hold a majority...without him, the GOP would be in charge. Sen. Manchin has a code...he is a decent man.

[NCDem47]

25. Good to know!

Achieving accessible and affordable healthcare for all is a major plank in our party platform.

[Demsrule86]

28. He voted more than once for the ACA in Trump time...also he voted to not allow local governments

to set up retirement plan to destroy Social Security. I have laid out his votes. The one that most will harp on is voting to not allow abortion after the 20th week ...to that I say. He has to win in WVA. And it was not going to pass...sometimes Manchin votes with the Repugs when it doesn't matter which makes sense.

[NCDem47]

29. Thanks for the insight!

[Demsrule86]

27. Would you like him to switch and hand the Senate back to McConnell

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/








Here is some important older votes in the past







I have linked to the site.

[NCDem47]

30. No. I wouldn't. But thanks for this resource. Never seen before.

[Demsrule86]

31. I looked it up myself. I never saw it before either.

I understand that we want to get something done. we have had 10 years with no policy gains....since the house was lost in 10...but we should begin with the pandemic...and I bet some deal will be worked out to send additional aid.

[Demsrule86]

23. Please stop. Manchin has always worked with us. I have news, we have five Senators in the

same mold really. And moderates will be a force in any legislation, but consider there would be no legislation without them as McConnell would be the leader. Now rather than go after Manchin, please consider without his risky vote given from the state he represents he voted to save the ACA. We are going to have to work towards policy that can be agreed on by our caucus which will include moderate and even some conservative leaning members in both the House and the Senate. It has always been true that given the way our government is set up, we need a big tent. Maybe in time, we can win over the red states and convince the folks to favor our progressive policies. I hope so. But for now; in order to hold a majority, we must have Senators from purple and red districts...it is simply a fact.

[oasis]

32. Manchin should take a look at West Virginia's poverty rate before turning

down money which could benefit the state.