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The American AbyssThis is an essay-length piece in the NYT. I encourage you to read the whole thing. Some excerpts:
... On the surface, a conspiracy theory makes its victim look strong: It sees Trump as resisting the Democrats, the Republicans, the Deep State, the pedophiles, the Satanists. More profoundly, however, it inverts the position of the strong and the weak. Trumps focus on alleged irregularities and contested states comes down to cities where Black people live and vote. At bottom, the fantasy of fraud is that of a crime committed by Black people against white people...The lie outlasts the liar. The idea that Germany lost the First World War in 1918 because of a Jewish stab in the back was 15 years old when Hitler came to power. How will Trumps myth of victimhood function in American life 15 years from now? And to whose benefit?
On Jan. 7, Trump called for a peaceful transition of power, implicitly conceding that his putsch had failed. Even then, though, he repeated and even amplified his electoral fiction: It was now a sacred cause for which people had sacrificed. Trumps imagined stab in the back will live on chiefly thanks to its endorsement by members of Congress. In November and December 2020, Republicans repeated it, giving it a life it would not otherwise have had. In retrospect, it now seems as though the last shaky compromise between the gamers and the breakers was the idea that Trump should have every chance to prove that wrong had been done to him. That position implicitly endorsed the big lie for Trump supporters who were inclined to believe it. It failed to restrain Trump, whose big lie only grew bigger.
...If Trump remains present in American political life, he will surely repeat his big lie incessantly. Hawley and Cruz and the other breakers share responsibility for where this leads. Cruz and Hawley seem to be running for president. Yet what does it mean to be a candidate for office and denounce voting? If you claim that the other side has cheated, and your supporters believe you, they will expect you to cheat yourself. By defending Trumps big lie on Jan. 6, they set a precedent: A Republican presidential candidate who loses an election should be appointed anyway by Congress. Republicans in the future, at least breaker candidates for president, will presumably have a Plan A, to win and win, and a Plan B, to lose and win. No fraud is necessary; only allegations that there are allegations of fraud. Truth is to be replaced by spectacle, facts by faith.
...Trumps coup attempt of 2020-21, like other failed coup attempts, is a warning for those who care about the rule of law and a lesson for those who do not. His pre-fascism revealed a possibility for American politics. For a coup to work in 2024, the breakers will require something that Trump never quite had: an angry minority, organized for nationwide violence, ready to add intimidation to an election. Four years of amplifying a big lie just might get them this. To claim that the other side stole an election is to promise to steal one yourself. It is also to claim that the other side deserves to be punished.
...America will not survive the big lie just because a liar is separated from power. It will need a thoughtful repluralization of media and a commitment to facts as a public good. The racism structured into every aspect of the coup attempt is a call to heed our own history. Serious attention to the past helps us to see risks but also suggests future possibility. We cannot be a democratic republic if we tell lies about race, big or small. Democracy is not about minimizing the vote nor ignoring it, neither a matter of gaming nor of breaking a system, but of accepting the equality of others, heeding their voices and counting their votes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/magazine/trump-coup.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)
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elleng
(131,089 posts)It will need a thoughtful repluralization of media and a commitment to facts as a public good.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,656 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)The Big Lie must be killed.
Or it will kill us all.
cilla4progress
(24,763 posts)We see Snyder on MSNBC shows.
central scrutinizer
(11,661 posts)Cant recommend it enough.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)it is being written about.
The congressional "R"s need to be weeded out. The cult deprogrammed
Ain't gonna be easy
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)I think it will!
A cult of personality needs the personality.
And, this personality will not have the power of the presidency and is losing allies & influence as I type this.
Losing the social media blowtorch only accelerates the descent into "has-been" territory.
Forbes & Business Insider have already turned on him. That seems a leading indicator into his value and importance to big business.
The recent poll shows 45% of Rs think the terrorist attack was acceptable. A minority of Rs, representing 11.25% of the adult public. That plus around 9% of so-called independents.
15 out of every 19 people disapprove of what's going on. This suggests they DON'T believe the election was stolen. Otherwise, they'd support what happened.
BTW, 5% of those polled saw the terrorists as patriots. Under half of those who approved of the criminal attack.
Finally, even these lunatics will lose interest given their short attention span. When he's just another private citizen, they'll move on to their next imaginary grievance.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Your analysis, while not overwrought, is blinkered in the extreme. The article is about a Trumpless future and the potential for someone with better institutional political skills plus the common sense to cultivate the military, to circumvent the electoral process to retain and maintain power. Particularly in a time of greater economic and geopolitical crisis.
Trump laid bare the power of the big lie in contemporary America, that seems obvious. Do you think thats a Trump thing only?
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)I read it. You don't have to tell me what it's about.
And, the investigation is just beginning.
Way too soon to assume defeat as you seem too willing to do.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)he implied black areas would be the source of vote cheating if he lost.