Regarding Pence's strange 25th Amendment position. Does anyone here know who

[rzemanfl]

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constitutes the Cabinet at the present time?

ON EDIT-the Amendment says "principal officers" not cabinet. I am in good company I guess, I have seen "cabinet" elsewhere in explanations of the amendment. Thanks to StarfishSaver for pointing this out to me.

[Captain Zero]

1. Good question.

❓⁉️

[rzemanfl]

2. Maybe Pence doesn't know. He's not the brightest bulb and asking would start rumors. n/t

[First Speaker]

3. Larry, Moe, Curly, Harpo, Groucho and Chico...

...Zeppo was a member, but he was finally regarded as too sane and had to go...

[hatrack]

4. Here you go . . .

Bold equals gone

Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue

Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen

Secretary of Commerce Wilbur L. Ross, Jr.

Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher C. Miller

Secretary of Education Elisabeth Prince DeVos

Secretary of Energy Dan Brouillette

Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency Andrew Wheeler

Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar

Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Benjamin S. Carson, Sr.

Secretary of the Interior David Bernhardt

Secretary of Labor Eugene Scalia

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

Secretary of Transportation Elaine L. Chao

Secretary of the Treasury Steven T. Mnuchin

Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert Wilkie

Vice President Michael R. Pence

[rzemanfl]

6. Thanks so much. I think underlings can fill in for the women who resigned.

Why any woman would take an appointment from an admitted pussy grabber is beyond me BTW. Well, I guess I can think of one reason, but ICK!

[Boomerproud]

21. Self-hating women. Think Phyllis Schafly.

Plenty of them out there.

[rzemanfl]

22. Do I have to think of her? I just ate....n/t

[The empressof all]

5. Pompeo and Munichin are the ones that come to mind.

I don't know off the top of my head who else is left now who isn't just an acting member Thanks Hatrack for posting the list. How could I have forgotten half those clowns.

[hatrack]

8. They're pretty forgettable

My personal faves - the dueling narcoleptics - Dr. Sleepy vs. Uncle Wilbur.

[The empressof all]

16. That made me laugh for the first time in days.

Thanks for that....

[hatrack]

23. Glad to help - I haven't been too susceptible to rib-tickling lately

[gldstwmn]

7. Wilbur Ross

Some will have to wake him up.

[sarcasmo]

9. Ben Carson

[StarfishSaver]

10. The 25th Amendment doesn't refer to the Cabinet

It is invoked by a majority of the "principal officers" of the departments. If a cabinet secretary is not in place, the acting secretary can sign off.

[rzemanfl]

17. I stand corrected, I thought there would be more "actings" than there are. n/t

[DeminPennswoods]

11. It's not clear if the "acting" secretaries count of not

Here's the list:

Pence, VP
Pompeo, State
Mnuchin, Treasury
Miller, Defense (acting)
Rosen, AG (acting)
Bernhart, Interior (acting)
Perdue, Agriculture
Ross, Commerce
Scalia, Labor
Azar, HHS
Carson, HUD
Chao, Transportation until 1/12/21
Brouilette, Energy
Zail, Edu (acting)
Wilkie, VA
Wolf, DHS (acting)

[BigmanPigman]

12. I don't see any one of them signing it.

[hatrack]

14. It'll never happen . ..

"Oh pleasepleaseplease just let me get through the next 11 days and I'll scuttle off to a cushy gig at CEI/US Chamber/Cato/some corrupt bank on Cyprus."

[DeminPennswoods]

15. Pompeo and Mnuchin will

drive the process and whip the vote, imo. I don't see anyone on the list who's an actual Trump zealot - maybe DeVos, but she's gone. Trump's merely a useful idiot to them. Now that he's no longer useful, but a liability, they'll have no problem voting to remove him.

[rzemanfl]

18. I hope you're right. n/t

[StarfishSaver]

19. Acting secretaries count

The 25th Amendment refers to the "principal officers" which doesn't have to be a confirmed secretary.

[LeftInTX]

24. Off topic: Pompeo met with Biden on Saturday. He said something about peaceful transition

I don't know how Pompeo would feel about the 25th, but he is supporting a peaceful transition

Mnuchin - maybe, he's brought it up
Azar, Ross - maybe

[Claustrum]

20. Tbh, 25th amendment isn't going to happen just like conviction in the senate isn't happening.

Any republican going along with it is basically death nails for their future career. They are going to be spineless and hide for 12 days and hope this things pass. There is no upside for them to go along with it publicly (at least in the current republican party).

Of course, that means they rather be spineless than doing the right thing as a human being and for the country.