53 yr old flex cuff guy has been fired

[Demovictory9]

https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/air-force-vet-identified-as-rioter-with-zip-ties/


Air Force vet identified as rioter with zip ties during Capitol siege
By Elizabeth ElizaldeJanuary 9, 2021

Larry Rendall Brock, Jr., in helmet, is a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel
Larry Rendall Brock, Jr., in helmet, is a retired Air Force lieutenant colonelGetty Images
A rioter filmed wearing military gear and carrying zip-tie handcuffs on the Senate floor has been identified as a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel.

Larry Rendall Brock, Jr., an Air Force Academy graduate and combat veteran from Texas, was seen in photos and videos roaming around the Capitol and even breaking into House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office suite along with other pro-Trump demonstrators, the New Yorker reported Friday.

He confirmed to the outlet that he was the man in photos and videos.

Brock had been employed with Hillwood Airways, a private aviation company in Fort Worth. The company told The Dallas Morning News on Saturday that the Air Force veteran has been fired.

[PA_jen]

1. Hopefully the Air Force can call him up/ activate him then court martial him.

[olegramps]

45. The Capitol police should have been issued AK-47 and opened fire on these traitors.

Mow them down instead of treating them with kid gloves. They sure didn't react like the police at peaceful Black Life's Matter protest. They attacked the people without even their threat of provocation. I really wonder will this end or is it only the beginning. I fear for our nation. At my advanced age it may not greatly affect me, except to make my blood pressure go out of sight. But, I sure wonder about what kind of life will my grandkids have.

I served in the military and I am really surprised that an officer would be engaged in open insurrection. I know that most of the officers were staunch Republicans when I served, but I can't imagine they would support this against the oath in which we swore to protect the Constitution with our life against both foreign and domestic threats.

[modrepub]

51. Give Him Some Credit

When confronted, he owned up to what he did. Lying is frowned upon in the military, especially in the officer corps. Put him on the stand and figure out how deep this goes. Maybe after some reflection he'll actually do what's right and rat out anyone else who may have been involved.

We need full sunlight on what happened. No "moving on" BS. This may have been more serious than just an unruly mob.

[Lonestarblue]

61. It was a planned coup, starting with the replacement of Pentagon heads.

Trump demanded someone in the White House or among his advisers (maybe Flynn) to come up with a plan for stealing the election. The coup was the last resort when all the lawsuits failed and the Supreme Court refused to rescue him. His lawyers most likely knew all along that all the court cases would fail because there was no evidence of fraud.

Trump fired Esper on November 9, so he knew he was losing and put his people in the Pentagon. Chris Miller replaced Esper and most likely started working on military chiefs to support a coup. That’s why the 10 former defense secretaries wrote to publicly warn against using the military. Miller was able to use his position, though, to prevent the National Guard from supporting the Capitol Police initially to give the terrorists time to storm the Capitol.

So my question is, who planned this coup for Trump and who collaborated? Several people need to be investigated and charged with treason. This coup attempt was not just a spontaneous riot, though it was made to appear that way.

[pandr32]

65. He said he was only holding that handful of zip-ties because

...he found them on the floor. He was planning on carrying them until he saw an officer in charge and was going to hand them over. That sounds like a huge lie.

[yellowcanine]

72. Yeah, best "dog ate my homework" excuse ever.

I nearly choked laughing when I heard that one.

[Wednesdays]

97. Oh yeah, zipties just HAPPENED to be lying there on the floor!

I mean, I see zipties lying around in government buildings all the time, don't you?

[lunatica]

98. And you pick them up too because why?

You have a thing about litter?

[modrepub]

73. I Fully Agree With You

But maybe he'll show remorse and give up whoever put this half assed putsch together.

It's really going to take time to sort all of this out. With so many yahoos involved I can't imagine they are all going to stick to their story that they just walked in when they saw the police retreat. Full sunlight, hearings, testament under oath et cetera. I don't care if it takes a year to sort all of this out. Get a full report then do a real impeachment and prosecute all of the dumb-ass bastards.

[pandr32]

79. There are many videos and pictures

I am sure we will be able to tell if this asshat had the zip ties all along. Ditto for all the others and their rotten excuses. Their court cases will hopefully be televised.

[StarfishSaver]

99. That's not my weed you found in my pocket.

[pandr32]

105. LOL!

[csziggy]

106. He claimed he "found" the flex cuffs and was looking for an officer to give them to

Yeah, right. He didn't "own up" he lied.

Insurrectionist ‘Zip-Tie Guy’ identified as retired Air Force lieutenant colonel
Harm Venhuizen



The Air Force Academy graduate claimed to have found the flex cuffs he was carrying on the floor. “I wish I had not picked those up,” he said. “My thought process there was I would pick them up and give them to an officer when I see one.”

More: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/09/insurrectionist-zip-tie-guy-identified-as-retired-air-force-lieutenant-colonel/

[Grins]

62. "...an Air Force Academy graduate.."

Scary thought

[Hekate]

85. There's been an ongoing problem with Christofascists in the AF Academy since before BushCheney

Mikey Weinstein I think is the name of the guy who blew the whistle on the bastards. He’s a grad whose cadet son was targeted by anti-semites there during the Bush years. Last I heard he was still making reformation his project.

[Maru Kitteh]

93. I really couldn't possibly agree with you any more than I do.

I posted the same as the insurrection was in progress (minus the AK). Said it would only get worse if it was allowed to continue and wouldn't ya know it I WAS RIGHT.

I would show you the post but it's not here anymore.

[Straw Man]

100. What's wrong with a good old AR-15?

Made in America, after all ...

[RealityCheque]

2. He should be recalled by the AF and

Stripped of his rank and change his discharge status to dishonorable thus negating his military pension.

[MyOwnPeace]

3. LOVE IT!!!!

He, of all people, should know that actions have consequences!

[NHvet]

6. YES!

[Auggie]

14. I'm okay with (at least) a 5-year prison sentence

Felony conviction will dog him for life.

[RealityCheque]

16. We agree to disagree.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

49. I disagree.

[RealityCheque]

55. So you think five years in the federal pen with parole potential is sufficient? Seriously?

Watch the video of the officer who was killed and get back to me

[Hermit-The-Prog]

75. No, I disagree with "we agree to disagree"; there's no such thing as unilateral agreement.

[RealityCheque]

78. You misunderstood me.

I was agreeing to disagree with the person who said 5 years in the federal pen is acceptable

If we “agree to disagree”, (expression) it is equivalent to “I don’t agree with you” in a non inflammatory way.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

80. Those have different, not equivalent meanings.

[RealityCheque]

83. Whatever.

[Eyeball_Kid]

53. Being stripped of his pension and his Hon Disc isn't enough, IMO.

HE PARTICIPATED IN AN INSURRECTION AGAINST HIS OWN GOVERNMENT. He furthered a coup. He was carrying devices meant for mass arrests without authorization. His actions were consistent with some in the organized insurrection who stated their intention to assassinate members of Congress and the VP. So, no, losing his pension and his honorable discharge is a slap on the wrist, relatively speaking.

[RealityCheque]

56. Suggestion?

[RealityCheque]

69. Oh okay, I'll just try to summarize this into what we want. Lol

[denbot]

90. 20 years minimum.

As a message to all veterans who violate their oath of service.

[olegramps]

47. That seems rather light to be in view that they sought to overthrow the government.

[RealityCheque]

59. Treason needs to be mentioned in more of our posts like this.

Trump used Treason in some of his bluster, we have a reason to use it.

[Auggie]

71. "At least"

Wait for actual charges to be filed. What can federal prosecutors charge, prove, and convict him with? If they can prove seditious conspiracy, which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years, fine. He earned it.

LINK: https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim

[Aviation91]

25. Absolutely!!

because he was part of an attempted coup!

[Bongo Prophet]

92. Yup. This thread needs a photo for reference

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[Smackdown2019]

35. Better yet

Have the military bring him back to face court marshal, then charged him, then sentence him to death for Treason!

They brought a former solider, Timothy Hennis, who had been out of the service for years and that is what they did. With precedent cases, this should be done.

Dont forget folks, laptops were stolen with our national security along with them!

[RealityCheque]

36. Works for me!

[Lucky Luciano]

42. We have a winner! I agree wholeheartedly.

[Massacure]

82. A small nitpick, but as a Lt. Colonel he would be dismissed and not dishonorably discharged

Enlisted personnel can receive, in increasing severity, an 'other than honorable discharge', a 'bad conduct discharge', or a 'dishonorable discharge'. An officer who is punitively kicked out of the armed forces is considered 'dismissed' and carries the same penalties as a dishonorable discharge - loss of pension, loss of VA benefits, loss of voting rights, loss of right to bear arms, and becoming ineligible for almost any kind of government aid (Pell grants, FHA loans, etc.). If Larry Brock had been an enlisted member, he could potentially try to keep his voting, 2nd amendment, and non-VA government aid rights by cutting a plea deal with the military for a bad conduct discharge instead of a dishonorable one. Being an officer, he doesn't have that luxury though; he is royally screwed if the Air Force recalls and court martials him.

[UpInArms]

4. Critical thinking skills missing

He should be recalled and court martialed.

[amywalk]

5. It just goes to show you how successful brainwashing is.

[dhol82]

12. That's the sad part.

I expect many people to wake up in jail thinking, “What the hell was I thinking?”

[RealityCheque]

22. Way too much credit for people with IQ's of 45

[Mariana]

60. This man doesn't have an IQ of 45. nt.

[RealityCheque]

64. You're right, my bad

😊

[bedazzled]

107. generous soul....

[keithbvadu2]

20. TX GOP opposed critical thinking skills in school.

TX GOP opposed critical thinking skills in school.

https://truthout.org/articles/texas-gop-declares-no-more-teaching-of-critical-thinking-skills-in-texas-public-schools/

Texas GOP Declares: “No More Teaching of ‘Critical Thinking Skills’ in Texas Public Schools“
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The company is moving across the Texas prairie, taking down traditional public schools like locusts consuming wheat fields. Keeping with the Republican platform, they promise to make obedience training and anti-intellectualism the cornerstone and foundation of education in Texas, to the detriment of students and society.

[marble falls]

31. Because Texas ironically buys more textbooks than anybody, they have strong ...

... influence into what goes into text books bought by them and in other states.

What's dumbing down Texans may well be dumbing down your kids, too.

[Grins]

68. I've heard that for YEARS!

Don’t understand why this still goes on. Couldn’t NY, Calif, NJ, MA, NJ, CT, IL, etc. combine as $$$ alternative?

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

101. Great point.

I wonder why they haven't done this.

[marble falls]

102. Few states control school districts textbooks as does Texas, and some school districts ...

... have agreements regarding book buying together.

[Marcuse]

96. That explains the famous Texas School Book Depository Building

[marble falls]

103. Sort of.

[jimlup]

7. should be arrested /nt

[Jon King]

8. Some of these folks have been brainwashed...

There seems to be a mix of crazies here. The super racists from birth, daddy was a racist so I grew up one too. These are just carreer bad guys.

And then some that seem to have fallen into the spell of Trump. The CEO of the software company reportedly was a decent guy until his politics went off the rails. Amazing how people will throw away successful lives for some 2 bit conman they saw on TV. This guy will never be allowed to work in aviation ever again.

[COL Mustard]

15. I Grew Up In A House Where "Colored" Was Being Polite

I don't subscribe to that at all. How come so many others still do?

[rainin]

9. Someone should ask him if he regrets going. n/t

[Jon King]

11. He is in excuse mode now...

He gave a short interview and said he just did it because he believed Trump's election claims. He said he found the zip ties and were going to give them to an officer. Blah, blah, blah.

He does not seem to have reached the remorse stage.

[COL Mustard]

18. So If Trump Told Him To Jump Off The Empire State Building

Would he do that too? What a dumbass.

[RealityCheque]

24. Splat!

[COL Mustard]

28. LOL!

I wish there was an emoji for that!

[mdbl]

37. LOL

[RealityCheque]

38. The mental visual is good enough for me

[olegramps]

48. Good riddance.

[greenjar_01]

54. The interview, actually in a Ronan Farrow article

Also revealed that he is a hard-core MAGA nutjob whose friends and family have moved away from steadily over the last few years as he became increasingly radicalized. Wasn't like, a one time thing.

[NCjack]

10. Agggh, sad -- NOT

[COL Mustard]

13. I Hope He Is Permanently Unemployable

Except maybe in a menial labor capacity. Certainly no government contractor would ever hire him now.

[llmart]

21. He can ride on the back of a garbage truck for employment.

Or the guy who works for a local DPW who scrapes dead animals off the road.

I'd be OK with that. Plus, strip him of his military benefits.

[RealityCheque]

26. His job training starts with licking feces of the capital walls.

[COL Mustard]

27. Road Kill Collector Would Be Good

Garbage guy? No...I like and respect our garbage collectors.

Put him on the road in 95 degree weather scraping up every dead skunk and possum and .... blech.

[spooky3]

41. No security clearance for you! (Felons) nt

[Lucky Luciano]

43. I was thinking more along the lines of license plate maker while on death row.

[safeinOhio]

17. This part of his plan worked.

"The 53-year-old father of three added he wore tactical gear because he wanted to protect himself from Black Lives Matter and Antifa."

They never laid a glove on him.

[dalton99a]

19. He should be in handcuffs.

[COL Mustard]

29. Zip Ties

Hey, he had them on him.

To coin a phrase, LOCK HIM UP!!!

[3catwoman3]

33. Zip him up.

Eom.

[RealityCheque]

39. Love it

[marble falls]

23. Usually I hate hearing someone looses employment. I hope the less than half of them who ...

... were in the Capitol who had jobs looses every single job.

[haele]

30. There has been a major base of strong evangelical religiosity in the Air Force since it began.

The nasty John Birch type; Gen. Jack Ripper in Dr. Strangelove was not so much a joke about.a crazy military officer but was an actual slight exaggeration of Gen. Curtis LaMay and some of his staff officers. Being given the liberty to evangelize an entire military service for a holy war against the Godless Soviets is one of reason why Focus on the Family is headquartered near the Air Force Officer's Academy, and most complaints against officers (and Chaplins) for inappropriate evangelical harassment at the workplace has come from Air Force bases.
It doesn't surprise me to hear of a significant percentage of former AF officers or officer's staff being sucked into the Q-anon hole. Not that it wouldn't also surprise me to hear of other former military involved. Reagan's DoD believed in dumbing down civics and personal responsibility in both the officer and enlisted ranks with the purpose of creating a standing military to make money for oligarchs and the MIC and to protect their political strategies.

Haele

[SuprstitionAintthWay]

81. Most of the AF officer corps is not radicalized, obviously, but...

...the AF has long had a higher % of its officers far to the right on the political spectrum than either the Army or Navy. Marine Corps, I couldn't say.

I'm not certain why that is. I'm sure somebody has studied it. My own speculation includes that it might have been a mistake to locate its Academy in such a bastion of conservatism and intense religiosity as Colorado Springs. That the AF Academy's isolation from the so-called coastal media and academia elites denied it the moderating effects against radicalization that the Army, Navy, and Coast Guard academies probably have benefited from.

All this being relative, of course. There is no shortage of far rightwingers in the officer corps of any branch of the U.S. military.

I also wonder if Air Force founding father Gen. Curtis LeMay's legacy plays a role. LeMay advocated for and applied our fire bombing of Japan's cities, burning to death many, many civilians in the process. And in the Korean War he was responsible for the flattening of every city in North Korea. A result of which was the death of 20 to 25% of North Korea's population... which is an astronomical rate of death in war. (And which, side effect, made the surviving North Koreans extremely susceptible to its government using intense hatred of the U.S. as its primary unifying principle.)

In short, it's probably fair to suspect LeMay, while an effective warrior, might have been okay with racial genocide. Does that history - the Air Force was just branching off from the Army in WWII - also affect its culture, and make it a bit different?

Just speculating. I'm sure, as I said, someone's studied all this.

[3catwoman3]

32. My Air Force Academy graduate and full career husband...

...is appalled and absolutely agrees that any of the thugs involved in this who are retired military should certainly be called back and court-martialed.

[Rebl2]

52. My husband who

was in the Air Force in the early 70’s is also appalled at what he saw. I agree these people should be called back to service then court-martialed. The woman that was killed was also in the Air Force. If she had an honorable discharge, it should be revoked and she should get a dishonorable discharge.

[usaf-vet]

70. I am saddened as an American and especially as a USAF Veteran. And I'm piss that he went to the.....

..... USAF Academy. That is the place that is supposed to build leaders, not followers.

I would be curious when he was at the Academy. If he was there when the evangelicals started pressuring the curriculum and the environment at the academy?

Every four years, he should have taken a reenlistment oath. I always have questions if the intent of the evangelicals was to make the military followers put the bible and religion before their oath to the Constitution.

Something has changed at West Point as well. I believe 45+ cadets broke their honor code and were caught cheating.

Rebl2 I was in before your husband but TOTALLY agree with him.

I would add one more punishment. If he went to the USAF Academy, as reported in MSM, he should pay back every penny of the four-year college education.

[BarbD]

34. He took part in an overthrow of the United States Government.

A government he had sworn to protect. No excuses.

Lock him up.

[RealityCheque]

40. Treason with a capital T

[Dukkha]

44. The disturbing part of the 6th seige

is that it was not conducted by the 1% the far right fringe population; garden variety basement dwelling shut-ins and crazy uncles on Facebook. We are seeing arrests on veterans, CEOs, politicians, working professionals in all walks of life. The far right fringe is now mainstream conservative America. THIS is now the face and body of the Republican party. NOBODY can disavow it and still support T***P. To quote the previous GOP president "You are either with us, or you're with the terrorists."

[paleotn]

46. Nice first step, but a first step only....

Bring him back to active duty and court martial his ass. Strip him of his pension, his rank and his medals. Give him a dishonorable and make his serve hard time.

[Paladin]

50. Nice to start out the day with some GOOD news. (nt)

[greenjar_01]

57. He was roaming the Senate gallery with flex cuffs

He went to Pelosi's office suite.

This guy was out for more than a Capitol tour. The fact that he and Eric Munchel are not yet in custody awaiting transportation to a federal facility is mystifying.

[Mr. Steve]

58. Every behavior has consequences

Play with matches and you will get burned.

[VA_Jill]

63. Any veteran

who was in this insurrection and is identified and charged should be called up and court-martialed. They should lose all veteran benefits in perpetuity. That is all.

[Mariana]

76. I agree. Examples have to be made of them.

There have been way too many veterans involved not only in this, but in the armed intimidation/terrorist activities against state and local officials. It has to stop.

[coeur_de_lion]

66. What about Eric Munchel? n/t

[Mariana]

77. What about him? nt.

[coeur_de_lion]

84. He is this dude

Link to tweet

?s=20

I haven't seen an arrest report on him yet. He brought his Mommy with him.

[coeur_de_lion]

91. He was just arrested

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214884135

[FakeNoose]

74. He can always moonlight for Erik Prince

In fact he's probably already doing that.

[Hekate]

86. Good start

[SunSeeker]

87. K & R

[SunSeeker]

88. K & R

[sdfernando]

89. Call his ass back up

The Court Martial him down to Private and sent to Leavenworth and of course total loss of pension and all other benefits.

[pecosbob]

94. Well, I just read that the Army Scretary has just opened 25 cases of domestic terrorism

The Army Secretary has no jurisdiction over civilians. He might be one of the twenty-five.

[Hassler]

95. Reactivate him then court martial him.

[januoro]

104. There's always food stamps

Now he has no job but he can get food stamps. Right wingers claim to hate food stamps but they will take them when they have no jobs.