Here's an Uplifting Thought: Despite the Poor Security at the Capitol,

[MineralMan]

that mob of seditious insurrectionists did not even come close to reaching their goals. In spite of their thousands, they did not seize control of the US Government. All they did, aside from hurting a few people, was to delay the business at hand for a few hours.

Then, when reinforcements finally arrived, they slunk away from the scene and returned to their mothers' basements once again.

Many were so stupid, in fact, that they made videos of their crimes and took selfies. Then, they posted them on their own social media venues, making it easy to identify the criminals. That stupidity, along with the advanced technology used by law enforcement and the help of people who recognized and reported those morons, ensures that many of them will pay a price for their actions and be prosecuted for their crimes.

Who won? Not them. They failed, because they are stupid, ineffectual people. Who won? The US system of government won.

Sucks to be those insurrectionists. They accomplished nothing, and now must face the consequences of their actions.

[catbyte]

1. Yep. After being told for 4 years how "special" they all were, they've now been thrown under

the bus by Dear Leader in that hostage video someone forced him to make and are being treated like the criminals and traitors they are.

Sucks to be them.

[MineralMan]

2. Sadly, they are too stupid to learn from it.

We will have to remain watchful and set up better security for the Capitol.

[catbyte]

9. Absolutely. I wonder if we'll ever know just how high up this coup attempt went.

We all suspect who was involved, but they probably won't confirm it "for the good of the country." I feel bad for the beat cops at the Capitol because they were placed in an untenable position and were betrayed by their leadership. I'm afraid they'll just be allowed to quietly resign and slink away. I hope that doesn't happen, but that's usually how it goes.

These traitors need to be made an example of and I hope the incoming administration does it. If they're allowed to get away with this now, they'll do it again, and next time it might be a real bloodbath.

[MineralMan]

10. I don't know. It depends on the intensity of the investigations.

We'll find out, though, over the next few months.

[Generic Brad]

17. The Derp State runs deep

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

35. Nope, theyre saying now that the video of Trump denouncing them was a deep fake - these

are cultists in every sense of the word. When reality contradicts the false beliefs, the true cultists beliefs dont crumble, if anything they become more rigid and unyielding and the theories get even more elaborate and unreal. (Source: the classic "When Prophecy Fails&quot

Yeah there are some I spoze who arent cultists, who are now seeing the error of their ways so we can be thankful for that anyway

[dalton99a]

3. Capitol Police must be investigated.

Capitol Police has 2,300 officers and a $516 million budget - more than the police budgets of Atlanta and Detroit.

[MineralMan]

5. That investigation will occur.

Congress people are righteously pissed off, as they should be.

[lkinwi]

4. They can be thinking about how much their Dear Leader loves them

while sitting in their jail cells.

[MineralMan]

6. Yup.

[Firestorm49]

7. It's sometimes hard to make opinions that don't sound like conspiracy theories.

If I were to suggest that there was an ulterior motive for the failed insurrection, if I were to support the belief already promulgated that certain people entered the Capital in search of very specific information, only because I have read similar comments in the past few days, is my opinion worth less because I can’t prove it?

It’s sometimes hard to state deep held beliefs because others doom you nuttier than a fruitcake, but I do believe that certain elements went in looking for specific information. Spy’s? I don’t know - maybe. I believe that what we have seen is the surface of a much more deep seeded plot.

[MineralMan]

12. Given the confusion and searching gazes from so

many who invaded the Capitol, I don't know. They got in there, but most seemed to have no idea what to do next.

[Hugin]

18. That's how mass brain washed cults behave.

But, I guarantee there were at least 20% of them who knew exactly what they were doing.

[Hugin]

16. The golden rule on dealing with people who BELIEVE in conspiracy theories is that they will...

most certainly CREATE their own counter conspiracies to deal a blow to their imagined enemies/threats.

Several things/people they were undoubtedly looking for:

Pence/Speaker Pelosi and several others to do them harm.
The missing 11,780 votes.
The electoral vote certificates.
The deep state.

In addition to this group, there were probably forging foreign agents mixed in looking for any information/intelligence of value. It was the opportunity of a lifetime and it would be foolish to miss it. Make no mistake, they are our enemies and have no obligation, commitment, respect for the United States, it's institutions, or it's citizens.

[Firestorm49]

23. I agree, and that is what I was referring to. But, we'll never know the whole story.

[Hugin]

30. There's always a number of nhillists who are there for the lulz, thrill, or 'owning the -blanks-'.

Very dangerous, because, they are unpredictable and self-destructive to the extreme of insanity.

[tetedur]

8. I'm worried that next time they will have a plan.

Will the Capital Building be left vulnerable again?

When Republicans are in charge the entire country is vulnerable to attack whether that is Al Qaeda, Corona virus or the Proud Boys.

Do we have a guarantee that the National Guard or DC Police will actually protect the Capital from January 16th to the inauguration?

I think they had not planned to find the Capital undefended. They saw an opportunity and they surged inside. They didn't know what to do except perhaps kill Mike Pence.

[MineralMan]

13. I don't know what the security plans are.

I have no doubt whatsoever, though, that security will be overwhelming for the Inauguration, with shoot to kill orders targeting armed insurrectionists. There is no alternative.

[bigtree]

11. they did come close

...from the accounts I've read.

Unacceptably close. I'm not sure how much we can rely on stupid, ineffectual people being thwarted in the future. Moreover, these front-line insurrectionists are deliberate fodder for the people who organize and encourage them. It's a deliberate strategy that their troops are ignorant, and I'm not as sure as you are that they wouldn't be successful.

I think our legislators barely escaped the mob.

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[MineralMan]

15. I think security will be much enhanced for the upcoming events.

Much. A lesson was learned, I believe. That's what I think. I'll be watching to see, though.

[bigtree]

19. I always thought, stupidly, that a person (more than one) would get shot going as far as they did

...just amazed at how soft the protection was.

Always assumed there was some invisible force of trained troops ready to pounce, but what a fantasy.

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[MineralMan]

21. Yeah, that's what I thought, too.

The Capitol Police were caught with their pants down. They were woefully unprepared for this. Whether that was deliberate or accidental, I don't know. One hopes a lesson was learned, though, and that no such lack of preparedness will ever happen again.

[yardwork]

22. I'm reading that white supremacist groups consider this a huge victory.

Those who listen in on these groups are reporting that they are jubilant that they got into the Capitol so easily. I fear that they are now planning even worse.

I don't think this is over.

[MineralMan]

25. I don't think it's over either.

I hope that the next time, any such insurgent insurrectionists are met with instant and fatal consequences.

While I was watching the invasion unfold in the Capitol, it occurred to me that a few dead people, shot by the Capitol police, lying in the doorways might have turned back some of the hoodlums. But, that wasn't the order of battle that day. It should be from now on.

Deny entry to the Capitol and other such halls of government with lethal force at the first attempt to force entry.

The orders of battle must be changed.

[yardwork]

32. One rioter was shot dead, apparently for very good reasons.

[MineralMan]

34. Yes. But too many came in through the broken-open doors.

A few dead bodies in the doorways might well have been an effective deterrent.

Clearly, the invading terrorists were a serious, deadly risk to Senators, Congressmembers, and staff people. That's enough. If you are storming the Capitol in such a terrorist attack, you should be shot and killed to protect our lawmakers. Period. That is the only way a small number of defenders can protect a building like that. Lethal force.

The order of battle was not drawn up properly. I hope that is changed.

[yardwork]

36. Doors and gates were opened to the rioters by some Capitol police.

A full investigation is essential.

[MineralMan]

38. Yes, an investigation of course.

At a minimum. There should be arrests and prosecutions of any Capitol Police officers who did that.

[dawg day]

14. Who was leading?

Trump, of course, but he didn't organize it.
Alex Jones supposedly funded.

[Hugin]

20. Don't forget Clarence Thomas's wife.

Allegedly kicked in 70 or 80 busloads of insurgents.

[dawg day]

24. And this is just clearly marked as "ratfcking"

which Roger Stone has been doing since Nixon's time.

[ancianita]

26. The best honeypot is this Jan 16,17, when all roads into DC are checkpointed with no turnarounds

Check points at all Beltway exits, using National Guard trucks across lanes and outside them. Let the Beltway come to a standstill.

Those "patriots" from the 1st mass insurrection stupid enough to return will already be on the FBI's and police master list. Any new patriots with them get picked up as accessories after the fact, with all ID, devices and potential weapons conviscated.

All check points have buses for hauling the arrested to processing and jail, trucks for hauling boxed and labeled possessions of the arrested.

There should be no million militia march to even enter DC this week.

It's called an "abundance of caution" preventive security.

[MineralMan]

27. Yes, I hope that is implemented, along

with checkpoints at all Metro terminals. Anyone carrying weapons that are illegal in DC should be summarily arrested, charged, denied bail and their weapons confiscated and destroyed immediately.

They can do those things if they have the will do do them. I hope they do.

[ancianita]

29. Indeed.

I'd forgotten about the Metro terminal, thanks. There's more than enough security manpower for all of it.

[uponit7771]

28. Trumps goals were meet in droves, Putin is smiling and China is proffering false equivalencies ...

... I'd say not all goals were meet but there were some big ones that surpassed expectations.

Trumps minimum goals was hurting Americans, he's got that

[ancianita]

31. He's hurt some Americans, but he hasn't hurt 99% of Americans OR America.

The psychological effects are for the rest of us to double-triple down on their self styled patriotism which is really cover for accelerationists of civil war and Nazi attack.

[StarfishSaver]

33. I give a lot of credit to the Capitol Police officers who used their bodies to protect our governmen

Their leadership failed them miserably, but most of these men and women are heroes.

[Cosmocat]

37. Sorry, this was a BIG win for them.

First, had that LEO not shot that woman that mob would have broken into the house chamber and done unspeakable things to congressmen. It was that close to being next level horrible.

They forced Pence, Pelosi and other leadership to be evacuated and holed up.

They sacked the capital.

Then the overwhelming majority of them got to stroll out, brag about it on social media and hit the hotel bar.

A very small fraction will be charged and prosected, a smaller # receiving any meaningful prison time.

You immediately saw chatter about more attacks ...

Joe and Kamela are going to spend the next four years in complete lockdown, we are likely to see MORE assaults on state houses ...