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Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:17 AM

Is it finally time to have strict and comprehensive anti-domestic terrorism laws in the US?

If not now, when?

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Reply Is it finally time to have strict and comprehensive anti-domestic terrorism laws in the US? (Original post)
dlk Jan 2021 OP
WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2021 #1
dlk Jan 2021 #2
WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2021 #7
dlk Jan 2021 #14
WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2021 #19
dubyadiprecession Jan 2021 #3
dlk Jan 2021 #5
thucythucy Jan 2021 #4
dlk Jan 2021 #8
Chin music Jan 2021 #6
dlk Jan 2021 #9
Chin music Jan 2021 #11
dlk Jan 2021 #13
abqtommy Jan 2021 #10
dlk Jan 2021 #12
abqtommy Jan 2021 #20
dlk Jan 2021 #21
Princess Turandot Jan 2021 #15
dlk Jan 2021 #17
Hotler Jan 2021 #16
dlk Jan 2021 #18

Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:19 AM

1. No.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:20 AM

2. Why not?

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Response to dlk (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:32 AM

7. Increased policing will be directed at marginalized populations, as it always is.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:54 AM

14. You have a point, however, a slap on the wrist isn't sufficient

The organized terrorists from Wednesday’s attack will return. They need to be locked up for a very long time.

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Response to dlk (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:09 PM

19. Why would the crimes committed at the Capitol result in only slaps on wrists?

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:22 AM

3. Yes, and we can have Rudy Giuliani as one of the poster boys for that cause

The mayor of 911 is now the 911 of mayors.
Giuliani fosters domestic terrorism.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:25 AM

5. Giuliani has fallen far

He’s deteriorating right in front of us.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:24 AM

4. Yes, but the law has to be carefully drafted

so that it can't be coopted by any future administration to crack down on reasonable, non--violent dissent.

ANY response to this attempted coup, in fact anything passed from here on, has to take into account the possibility for misuse by the GOP or any other authoritarian cult.

I'd hope and expect that the ACLU and other civil liberty groups would be a part of drafting such legislation.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:32 AM

8. Of course. I think it can and should be done

Finding a balance between protecting our liberties and protecting us from authoritarian wannabes and terror attacks is an ongoing challenge. I believe we have what it takes to successfully meet the challenge.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:37 AM

9. A DOJ enforcing the law would be an improvement

Trump can try to pardon himself. It can’t be done without it making him above the law. He could randomly decide to murder dozens of his perceived enemies and then just pardon himself. I don’t see that happening I would like to see the Trump terrorists get more than a slap on the wrist for trespassing.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:52 AM

13. These domestic terrorists are dangerous and need to be off the street

They are not the “one and done” types.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:40 AM

10. We already have laws that apply to riotous behavior. What we need is a better/more productive

class of people in all levels of government and among the general population.

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Response to abqtommy (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:50 AM

12. Are the rioting penalties commensurate with armed insurrection to overthrow the government?

With respect to a better class of politician, until dark money and obscene amounts of money in general are removed from the process, we will continue have the same issues. As far as a better class of people, that’s a different conversation.

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Response to dlk (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:13 PM

20. Then let the conversation begin! And follow it up with action...

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Response to abqtommy (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:14 PM

21. Such as?

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:55 AM

15. We already do...

18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B—TERRORISM

From the 'Definitions' section:

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States

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Response to Princess Turandot (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:01 PM

17. Good to know, thanks!

I’m surprised the penalties are low in comparison to other criminal penalties

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 11:56 AM

16. Somebody posted article about that here, somewhere. We do have laws

they're not enforced against white terrorist.

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Response to Hotler (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:02 PM

18. The penalties seem to be on the light side in relation to the seriousness of the crime

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