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tblue37

(68,421 posts)
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:55 PM Jan 2021

"the Executive Branch . . . controlled the security response to its own coup" :



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Stop. January 6 did NOT happen because nobody saw it coming. All of the insurrectionists who flew in from all over the country sat it coming.

It happened because the Executive Branch has WAY too much unilateral power and controlled the security response to its own coup.


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"the Executive Branch . . . controlled the security response to its own coup" : (Original Post) tblue37 Jan 2021 OP
THIS malaise Jan 2021 #1
YES!! secondwind Jan 2021 #2
Who would ever have guessed this could be a problem? Right. nt Biophilic Jan 2021 #3
Trump is still in charge of Security even today Under The Radar Jan 2021 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #5
i've wondered if there no killings because Captain Zero Jan 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #8
+1 2naSalit Jan 2021 #19
herd immunity is just their code for culling the herd cynical_idealist Jan 2021 #26
Let. Fox. Watch. Chicken. Coop. Hugin Jan 2021 #6
LOL!!! 2naSalit Jan 2021 #20
The Capitol Police (and Capitol Security) are under the auspices of Congress not Executive branch PoliticAverse Jan 2021 #9
Capitol Police were hung out to dry when they called for help. tblue37 Jan 2021 #10
That certainly needs to be part of the investigation, but once you need to "call for help" PoliticAverse Jan 2021 #11
How did they not know this was going to happen? justgamma Jan 2021 #12
Well it is either a screw up of gigantic proportions or complicity - certainly there needs to be PoliticAverse Jan 2021 #13
But the National Guard, which wasn't standing by for immediate assistance, pnwmom Jan 2021 #23
They weren't "standing by" because they were told they weren't needed.... PoliticAverse Jan 2021 #24
Yeah, that's their story now. But Republican Governor Hogan says otherwise pnwmom Jan 2021 #25
Everybody knew it was coming Ohioboy Jan 2021 #14
KICK orangecrush Jan 2021 #15
If DC was a state would this prevent the Executive Branch from controlling security? nt in2herbs Jan 2021 #16
Yes. They would have the authority to deploy their own National Guard and authorize help from other tblue37 Jan 2021 #17
Exactly, and Acting Defense Secretary Miller needs to be held accountable for not responding! n/t AntiFascist Jan 2021 #27
On a related note not fooled Jan 2021 #18
Same as when Administration members were subpoenaed to appear before Congress. Midnight Writer Jan 2021 #21
ACCOUNTABILITY! Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #22

Under The Radar

(3,431 posts)
4. Trump is still in charge of Security even today
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 01:05 PM
Jan 2021

The Department of Homeland Security is under authority of the executive branch. There has been no change in the leadership of the executive branch since Wednesday. Trump is still in charge of security for even Biden’s inauguration up until the moment that he takes the oath.

Response to tblue37 (Original post)

Captain Zero

(8,881 posts)
7. i've wondered if there no killings because
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 01:12 PM
Jan 2021

they did not see the people they were programmed to kill but quite a pack of them around certain offices. Final visual trigger not sighted?

Response to Captain Zero (Reply #7)

Hugin

(37,836 posts)
6. Let. Fox. Watch. Chicken. Coop.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 01:08 PM
Jan 2021

Again, five! Yes, I am gaining confidence that even after my long isolation my thinky meat is still functional.

:whew:

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
9. The Capitol Police (and Capitol Security) are under the auspices of Congress not Executive branch
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 01:52 PM
Jan 2021

From: What went wrong with security at the Capitol?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/what-went-wrong-security-capitol-n1253341

WASHINGTON — Amid growing evidence that pro-Trump extremists were planning to target the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, the day Congress was set to certify the election of Joe Biden as president, in recent days Congressman Tim Ryan had asked the people in charge of security whether they had everything they needed.

"I had conversations with the sergeant-at-arms and the chief of the Capitol Police, who gave me assurances that every precaution was being taken, that we had enough manpower, that we were going to keep people completely away from the Capitol," Ryan, the Ohio Democrat who chairs the subcommittee that funds the Capitol complex, told reporters Thursday.

...

The Pentagon officials said that on Sunday, during a planning meeting, the Defense Department offered the Capitol Police and the city of Washington additional National Guard troops, but were turned down.

Said Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman, “We were informed that additional support from DoD was not needed.”

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
11. That certainly needs to be part of the investigation, but once you need to "call for help"
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 02:00 PM
Jan 2021

it is already too late.

justgamma

(3,693 posts)
12. How did they not know this was going to happen?
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 02:07 PM
Jan 2021

They've heard this crowd over and over for years. There had better be investigations. I know the heads have resigned but darn it we need answers!

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
13. Well it is either a screw up of gigantic proportions or complicity - certainly there needs to be
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 02:11 PM
Jan 2021

a complete investigation.

pnwmom

(110,254 posts)
23. But the National Guard, which wasn't standing by for immediate assistance,
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:54 PM
Jan 2021

and was delayed for HOURS, is under the control of the President.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
24. They weren't "standing by" because they were told they weren't needed....
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:00 PM
Jan 2021
The Pentagon officials said that on Sunday, during a planning meeting, the Defense Department offered the Capitol Police and the city of Washington additional National Guard troops, but were turned down.

Said Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman, “We were informed that additional support from DoD was not needed.”

pnwmom

(110,254 posts)
25. Yeah, that's their story now. But Republican Governor Hogan says otherwise
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:23 PM
Jan 2021

and I believe HIM.

He says he was ready and willing to send Maryland Guard to DC, and after he got the call from Steny Hoyer, he tried and failed to get permission from the Trump administration -- for hours. And the Pentagon knew how urgent the situation was. Hogan told them.

And anyone watching TV could see that the Capitol police wasn't handling it.

tblue37

(68,421 posts)
17. Yes. They would have the authority to deploy their own National Guard and authorize help from other
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 02:31 PM
Jan 2021

state Guards.

AntiFascist

(13,751 posts)
27. Exactly, and Acting Defense Secretary Miller needs to be held accountable for not responding! n/t
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jan 2021

not fooled

(6,670 posts)
18. On a related note
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:01 PM
Jan 2021

a national security commentator on MSNBC (sorry, I can't remember his name but he is former military, maybe FBI, etc.) just said the "intelligence failure" stems from the inability of the FBI and other law enforcement to surveil domestic terrorist suspects and groups on e.g. facebook, twitter etc. whereas they can monitor international terrorists.

However, while he was speaking I remember all of the peace groups and other left-leaning organizations in the U.S. that have a long history of being infiltrated and monitored by law enforcement including FBI. So, what gives? Naturally the MSNBC host didn't have the knowledge or inclination to ask such questions.

Far-right groups have a long history of working the refs to get left alone. Early in the Obama administration, Janet Napolitano's Homeland Security issued a report pointing out the dangers of emerging far-right radical groups and calling them domestic terrorists. The cons went nuts and caused the report to be withdrawn (the administration shouldn't have caved). And now, here we are.

It really all started at least as far back as Waco and Ruby Ridge--the demonization of Federal agencies trying to protect the country from dangerous far-right radicals.

Midnight Writer

(25,361 posts)
21. Same as when Administration members were subpoenaed to appear before Congress.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:16 PM
Jan 2021

They brazenly refused because our Law Enforcement resources are totally in the hands of the President, and they knew the legal summons would not be enforced.

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