Malcolm Nance on inauguration security: Shut. It. All. Down.

[Amaryllis]

Link to tweet

Malcolm Nance
@MalcolmNance
INAUGERATION SECURITY? Set a National Security exclusion zone. Shut down the city south of K street NW to H st NW-NE to 2nd Ave NE south to the waterfront. Close memorial bridge, RT66/E St bridge & the 695 Above/below ground for 8 hours before and after. Shut. It. All. Down.
2:32 PM · Jan 9, 2021

[Thekaspervote]

1. This!!

[soothsayer]

2. He's so right

[apnu]

3. Biden was already planning a minimal in-person event

Due to COVID. Funny how that's secondary news right now. Thousands are dying still, and here we are talking about the White Power Plot.

[MoonlitKnight]

48. It's all the same plot

Once they discovered it disproportionately kills minorities they stopped all mitigation efforts.

The rallies and the insurrection were aided by a biological weapon.

[mushroomhunter]

87. so right

[lagomorph777]

124. I still hear media assuming a big event on the Capitol steps. I hope you are right.

It would be insane to do something other than a virtual event. We can't take that chance.

[notinkansas]

4. No! Don't take any chances.

Hold it someplace other than the Capitol. Someplace secure.

[KS Toronado]

94. I'd prefer an undisclosed indoor location

And let attendees know at the last minute there's a change in plans, to keep the
RADICAL REPUBLICAN TERRORISTS (trumpers) off balance & confused.

[lagomorph777]

125. Yes, absolutely!

[DENVERPOPS]

102. Exactly

I think it should be held in the middle of Camp Pendleton surrounded by a couple of thousand soldiers in full military combat gear including their assault rifles.........

fair is fair, right ?????.........

I am equally worried about the state capitals in Dem or Dem leaning states.........

[wnylib]

112. So am I, especially as a resident of

a blue state with a well known, solidly Democratic governor. I am nowhere near the state capital, but am still uneasy about it. One magat from my region has been arrested for participation on the Capitol coup invasion.

[DENVERPOPS]

115. The same assholes demonstrated

at Colorado's state capital at the same time the shitstorm was going on in the U.S. Capital.....

The Denver Police were there en masse and came down hard on anyone approaching the building with their propaganda and rhetoric...
The one demonstrator that I saw confront them was dropped by 6 cops, hand cuffed and hauled off.....Game Over.. Period.

[wnylib]

118. Glad to hear that they were handled

so well. Two Dems who might be targeted by the more violent types are Cuomo and Whitmer. Cuomo has sent National Guard troops to DC but I'm sure he is wise enough to have a large number on hand in NY. We have our share of RWNJs in NY, mostly from rural areas, but Whitmer might be more vulnerable, surrounded by them and already a target once by nutters.

Between pandemic and coup attempts, we live in dangerous times. But we WILL prevail.

[wnylib]

110. I agree. A diversionary attack might

be planned for elsewhere in DC to draw attention and security forces. I'd feel a whole lot better if the inauguration occurred in an undisclosed location outside of DC.

[Maru Kitteh]

114. Screw that, you don't project strength or confidence by hiding

sends a TERRIBLE signal to the world for the President of the United States to hide in some hole for their inauguration.

Just HELL no.

[notinkansas]

121. You don't project strength if you're dead either.

The inauguration will happen. Joe and Kamala will take over. It makes NO sense to take unnecessary risks with their safety.

There are actors high above the police departments who are complicit in the security failures who have not yet been rooted out. It makes no sense to make targets of the newly elected president and vice president.

[lagomorph777]

126. Forget symbolism - plenty of time for that later. First, establish control and deal with COVID,

etc.

[Oppaloopa]

123. I agree

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

5. Agree

Been nosing around freep ville and other nut case places. Lot of Biden will not be inaugurated bullshit.

[Phoenix61]

6. Sounds like a plan. Skip the whole outside thing.

As mentioned elsewhere, they can be sworn in anywhere. Best idea would be to do a last minute switch to an different location.

[Amaryllis]

8. THinking the same. Live broadcast it. C-span, networks, CNN.

[John1956PA]

90. On January 20, 1985, Reagan took the oath indoors due to brutally cold weather.

The following day, January 21, 1985, a repeat swearing-in was held in the Capitol Rotunda. If the bitter cold weather pattern had broken, and if temperature had risen to a bearable level, the January 21 repeat swearing-in ceremony would have taken place outdoors at the West Front of the Capitol.

[luvtheGWN]

95. Yes. Remember that LBJ

was sworn in on an airplane carrying Jackie and Kennedy's body back to Washington.

[orangecrush]

7. KICK

[RealityCheque]

9. Lock down

All vehicle traffic into DC metro unless authorized. Immediately, flight can not be boarded to DC unless it’s official government business cleared by the FBI

[Amaryllis]

12. Wonder if it has to be in DC?

[RealityCheque]

19. I'm not an expert, but I would wager it doesn't

[JPK]

39. LBJ...

Was sworn in on Airforce One in the air returning to DC with JFK after the assassination.

[shrike3]

55. Calvin Coolidge was sworn in in his home after Harding died. Then went back to bed.

LBJ was sworn in on Air Force One. Granted, these were emergency situations, but this may qualify as one, too.

[davsand]

58. LBJ was sworn in on an airplane.

The Constitution specifies when but not where.



Laura

[Captain Zero]

71. Teddy Roosevelt sworn in in Buffalo NY

The first inauguration of Theodore Roosevelt as the 26th President of the United States, took place on Saturday, September 14, 1901, at the Ansley Wilcox House, at 641 Delaware Avenue in Buffalo, New York, following the death of President William McKinley earlier that day.

[yellowdogintexas]

78. When the POTUS dies in office, the swearing in pretty much must be done

where ever the VPOTUS is at the time. It is an immediate thing. Wasn't Coolidge sworn in by some sort of a local magistrate?

[Retrograde]

85. Coolidge was sworn in by his father

who was a local justice of the peace or something like that.

It's traditional for a new president to be sworn in at the Capitol by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court but AFAIK it's not a law. As others have noted, they have been sworn in in other locations and by other people when circumstances warranted. Given what happened this past week - and I don't think the Magat-in-Chief is anywhere near done stirring up his minions - I think a small, non-public swearing in is called for.

[housecat]

81. Yes! Have it at another place entirely.

[monmouth4]

10. I would like for PE Biden and VPE Harris be sworn in in SCJ Roberts office, exactly at noon and if

no problems outside then do a walk/promenade type thing.

[Joedog]

16. I really don't think it's safe at present for them to be out in the open. Too many crazies.

[monmouth4]

18. Justice Robert's office/chamber is not out in the open..n/t

[Lock him up.]

61. Yeah, but a walk outside is. nt

[bdamomma]

27. Supreme Court inside

would be good.

[3catwoman3]

29. No walk about. No, no, NO!!!

I suspect that the turnout for the Biden-Harris inauguration might have been even bigger that for Obama-Biden, had the circumstances permitted it to take place, and would have been a joy to see. I’m sad that we won’t be able to revel in a public triumph.

Between the virus and the blood-thirsty RWNJ, it is indisputably NOT safe and I agree with Mr. Nance completely.

[yellowdogintexas]

73. Lamar Alexander was sworn in as governor of Tennessee at the state Capital with only

a few attendees, inside. No fanfare or even announcement until after the fact, ahead of the normal Inauguration; I do not remember if they did it right after the election or waited until January. It was practically in the dead of night!!

A few hours earlier the corrupt incumbent Governor had been essentially evicted from the Governor's mansion and hauled off to jail.

When he was re-elected 4 years later, they really threw a party to make up for it.

This was back when he was a cool young governor and pretty much a moderate. I even voted for him. Our Democratic candidate was sort an all hat no cattle guy.

So yes, arrangements can be made.

[wnylib]

113. A promenade in these times? Are you serious???

[Retrograde]

11. And screen all attendees and check them for weapons

Even members of Congress - after Wednesday I wouldn't put anything past certain Republican representatives.

[Mary Mac]

62. Yes that Lauren from Pueblo CO is a traitor.

[yellowdogintexas]

74. that would have happened anyway.

just par for the course

[Girard442]

13. No gathering. It's wartime. Can't put Biden at risk.

And just for emphasis, have Harris at a different undisclosed location.

[Joedog]

17. Just swear em in

and let's get down to business.

[Amaryllis]

25. I was thinking that as well.

[Wawannabe]

37. Nailed it! Wartime. Just. Wow

😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[ahlnord]

59. Separate swearings-in

ABSOLUTELY! The two swearings-in should be separate and in secret locations, but televised and with witnesses.

[Amaryllis]

75. WHat i was thinking.

[SheltieLover]

14. Absofuckingloutely!

[wishstar]

15. Scary that a Ret. Lt. Colonel with the "zipties" is currently employed as commercial pilot

One of those Ret. Lt. Colonels who was ready to kidnap elected officials has been identified as a pilot with Russ Perot Jr's Texas private airline company.

So Capitol location is not the safest and DC airspace will need to be totally shut down in light of some former and possibly current military and law enforcement who participated in coup and are pilots.

[ZZenith]

20. No longer employed.

Rightfully sacked, hopefully never to be employed again.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214882904

[Lonestarblue]

76. That doesn't mean he can't rent a plane. These people are totally nuts.

[sarge43]

88. Last I heard, he was arrested.

Yup, anyone who would risk having the UCMJ dropped on him is, and I believe this is the clinical term, bat shit fucked up.

[MagickMuffin]

21. I'd like to see them sworn in, in front of the Speakers hallway

where the seditionist mobsters broke down the doors.

That would serve as a reminder of what happened while certifying votes!

[hibbing]

64. I like this n/t

[drmeow]

22. AMEN!!!!

Agree 1000%

[MineralMan]

23. Yup.

[lark]

24. Thank you - that's the best plan other than Zoom that I have heard.

[BGBD]

26. The security available

For the inauguration is so much greater than what was at the Capitol on the 6th, it's hard to quantify. The inauguration is a special security event that takes years of planning and considers al types of threats. That scaffolding with the white warp are there as blinds for anyone trying to shoot from a distance and the front of the stage is surrounded in bulletproof glass. There are thousands of police and military on hand for crowd control, there are no fly zones established.

If you don't think the inauguration is safe then the White House, AF One, and Camp David are also not safe.

[LudwigPastorius]

32. Yes.

Continue the inaugurations as planned. The new president and vice president need to show that we will not cower to a mob of filthy Nazis.

[Crunchy Frog]

98. Taking sensible precautions isn't cowering.

What will you say if they do business as usual and end up getting killed?

[csziggy]

42. How much damage was done to that scaffolding when the mob climbed up it?

And can security be absolutely certain that nothing was planted in there, such as bombs or other devices? I am very worried about details like that plus with some law enforcement, Capitol Police, police from other jurisdictions, members (current or ex) of the military showing their adherence to Trump, how much can we trust that a truly comprehensive search would be done?

Yes, I am NOT certain that the White House, AF One, and Camp David are safe for President Biden and Vice President Harris.

[regnaD kciN]

46. That's the big question...

...”the security available” is, until the moment Biden’s sworn-in, completely under the control of Trump and his appointees. Who’s to say the order won’t be given to “stand down” on the morning of the 20th?

[yellowdogintexas]

66. It is the Inauguration not ordinary Capitol Police business

There would normally be huge security at such an event. After all, the full Congress, past Presidents, SCOTUS, governors, cabinet officers, Joint Chiefs and more will be present.

The White House isn't going to be organizing it and it won't need White House approval

[IronLionZion]

108. Are Trump's people in charge of security or is it independent?

[BGBD]

109. Its

Secret Service in charge and coordinating with state, local, federal and military agencies across the Capitol Region.

There are easily going to be 10,000 security personnel around the Capitol for this event and the normal crowd will be smaller than usual because of COVID restrictions.

Also, that security is in place now. They are building much better barricades, checking the grounds, etc. There isn't going to be a big rally with 30k people walking down the street with no resistance.

[wnylib]

117. What about getting Biden and Harris

to and from the site of the inauguration? How safe is that from attacks on the motorcade? It's not like we never had an attack on a presidential motorcade before.

[llashram]

28. I hope they

are listening to wise counsel such as this

[judesedit]

30. Real good idea. If they know that is happening, probably won't be so excited to come

State Capitols should do the same thing.

[Evolve Dammit]

31. At this point seeing the planning going on by the traitors for 1/20, I totally agree. nt

[spooky3]

33. Seriously, I think the real ceremony should be held at an

Undisclosed location. Let the public think it is moving forward as planned initially.

[Vivienne235729]

34. I wish they would just hire malcolm nance on as chief of security of whatever dept is in charge of i

He is ON IT!! And he's right. It all needs to be shut down.

[Wawannabe]

35. Also

No fly zone for same parameters.

[Squinch]

36. This is the guy to listen to.

[dameatball]

38. Yep. Just get it done. No need to be traditional, not traditional times we are in.

[Grasswire2]

40. Anyone who ever watched "24" can imagine the risk here.

And if we can imagine the risk, it's likely magnitudes greater than our imagination. A drone. A sniper. A missile, even.

Just swear Joe/Kamala in inside somewhere, at 12:01.

Hold a celebration in a couple of weeks.

[csziggy]

45. Plus, remember "Designated Survivor" when it was a House Member who was in on the destruction

Of the Capitol Building.

Yeah, they are just TV shows, but the possibilities are frightening.

[liberalla]

41. This is a smart idea, and I hope other people-in-charge have already planned this.

[usaf-vet]

43. Heaven forbid anything happens to POTUS Biden during his term. But remind the nut jobs the line....

...... of succession is VP Harris. Then Pelosi.

[Grasswire2]

44. I realize it's important for the world to see Biden assume the presidency.

Broadcast that live. Authenticate it somehow.

Skip the rest of the ceremony.

[csziggy]

50. How about the Democrats stay away and force all Republican Congress members to attend?

Especially the Democrats in the line of succession - which means Nancy Pelosi until Biden's cabinet is approved sworn in.

Especially make sure Mitch McConnell is there. That way if the insurgents blow up the swearing ceremony, Nancy Pelosi is President and Mitch can never be in line to be.

[Grasswire2]

52. clever nt

[OMGWTF]

63. The Crazies are going after McConnell and Graham now too.

And the gallows the erected was for Pence.

[fishwax]

119. Mitch isn't in the line--Grassley (President Pro Tempore)is ...after him it's all cabinet members

[csziggy]

120. Yeah, but if they blow up our President-Elect, I want Mitch to get blown up, too. nt

[BobTheSubgenius]

54. By far the most important thing is security. Absolutely it is.

Whatever measures are considered necessary by people that know what they're doing.

But I'll tell you something else for free. It's f'ing GALLING to, in effect, have this rabble call the shots. It's like that expression that popped up in the early 2000's - "letting the terrorists win."

[BobTheSubgenius]

57. "call the shots" was a terrible choice of phrase

It was completely unintentional.

[misanthrope]

47. I would have never believed after 2009

that this would be the case. Once we kept the first African American POTUS safe in one of the most well-attended inaugurations in history, I would have thought we met a nearly unmatchable bar.

It's a sad statement that a lifelong, mainstream, white male politico with a reputation for reaching across the aisle might be in more jeopardy than President Obama was in a nation with our horrendous racial history. That is how radicalized we have become.

[Crunchy Frog]

99. As bad as GWB was as president, he did not declare war on the country and

the incoming administration. He did nothing to try to sabotage Obama's security, and was in attendance himself.

Absolutely not a comparable situation.

[FakeNoose]

49. Absolutely! I hope they are listening

Also don't have it outdoors. Make it inside a large auditorium room with small attendance. Only those who MUST be there, everyone else stay home. Watch it on TV like the rest of us.

Attendance by invitation only, show ID to get in, and submit to a TSA-style scanner at the front door. Everyone attending must wear a mask of course. Surround the building with DC Metro police and maybe even National Guard. Someone suggested the U.S. Supreme Court Chamber, which is an excellent idea.

[P-Nutt]

51. Hand Them A Win

Just for argument's sake, wouldn't having a remote, or secure, inauguration essentially hand the loonies a win? And deprive Joe and Kamala the joy of a parade to the White House. As Mr. Nance suggested, shut down DC and only allow invited guests and selected media. I have worked in, and around DC, shutting it down and making a secure zone would not be that much of a problem given the size of the military presence in the area. One thing that I did not see mentioned here, would be to have Speaker Pelosi safe in a remote locale to preserve the order of power should the unthinkable occur. Just some thoughts

[BumRushDaShow]

68. "And deprive Joe and Kamala the joy of a parade to the White House"

The "parade", which would have been happening in the middle of a pandemic that is currently spiking after the holidays, was already cancelled some time ago.

[Hekate]

84. Good gods no. There is no parade anyway.

[peggysue2]

53. I'm worried about the Amtrak ride into DC as well

The idea makes perfect sense for Biden bc of his long and well-loved association with the commuter line. But I don't see how you can guarantee the man's safety along that whole track. It only takes one crazy person.

[Amaryllis]

79. I figured the Amtrak plan would have been scrapped after Wednesday and all the

chatter.

[peggysue2]

97. I hope so

The train into DC would have been a nice, personal touch for an inauguration purposely slimmed down bc of Covid.

But after the Wednesday debacle, it's just too risky.

[Mister Ed]

56. Swear in Vice-President Elect Harris somewhere else.

Perhaps in a geographically-distant, high security location. That would greatly disincentivise would-be presidential assassins.

[DemoTex]

60. It's what I'm saying too!

Split up Biden and Harris. Administer their oaths of office in secret, secure locations. Forget the innauguration hoopla. Party later.

[wiggs]

96. Great idea! nt

[NoMoreRepugs]

65. The symbolism of the Inauguration is HUGELY important.

President Biden and Vice President Harris will do what they think is best for America. All other opinions are just that - opinions of others. No offense to anyone here.

[Tommymac]

67. No it is not that important. And Joe must realize WE NEED HIM not the ceremony.

Fuck Ceremony - the future of Our Country and The World is at stake.

This is a WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[housecat]

82. As important as a coup?

[Hekate]

83. LBJ was sworn in aboard Air Force 1 by a local Texas judge. Done.

All kinds of important things are being done via Zoom to keep people distanced. Easy-peasy to have the line of succession and guests in separate secure locations.

[MontanaMama]

91. The terrorists have shown us who they are.

The have killed some of us and they have vowed on killing more and would enjoy doing so if you read their social media.

Shut it down. Thank you Malcolm.

[sanatanadharma]

69. Open end tube scaffolding is compromised

I'd be concerned about bombs placed within open end tube scaffolding.

[lindysalsagal]

70. Agreed. But they'll still need a com center with every government agency dialed in minute to minute.

They'll need eyes in every neighborhood on that border, and any other possible hot locations. And they'll need a strong, open, reliable chain of command, and they should run a drill the day before.

And they'll need 2 inner back-up escape possibilities in case of surprises.

In other words, I want them sworn in in the underground sit room bunker!

[onecent]

72. Will these 2 people EVER SEE THIS....before it happens??????

[Amaryllis]

80. Nance is undoubtedly not the only reliable intel person saying such. Biden has tons of great

connections in intel who can advise him well. THey just won't be posting it on twitter.

[onecent]

93. Thank you very much for such a nice comeback.

I still love this place, but I'm 75 and don't "get it all"...thank you, again.

[thinkingagain]

77. Would the Pentagon be safe?

It seems no matter what we think of there is a reason it might not be safe.
I care not for a ceremony I care for our leaders to be safe. If it says it has to be done at a certain time then they will have to come up with a hopefully safe place preferably with those next in line at different locations.
But I seem to recall when Obama got sworn in Roberts messed up so they did it privately else were so does the exact time really matter?

[Paper Roses]

86. I think the inaugeration should be held indoors.

Perhaps in the Supreme Court building. I would not take any chances with all the idiots out there. I know all of us would understand the reason.

[benld74]

89. I stated as such Friday

[Blue Owl]

92. Safety First

[PatrickforO]

100. Nance is one of the good guys n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

101. Twitter replies:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[brooklynite]

103. Why do people assume that the Secret Service don't know how to secure the site of the Inauguration?

[TigressDem]

105. KNOW how and willingness are two different things.

How many are secretly loyal to tRump and not Biden?

BECAUSE there have been problems from WITHIN the agencies that are supposed to protect and serve, there is a question of cooperation with those seeking to harm Biden, Harris, Peolsi or even Pence.

[TigressDem]

104. Don't forget to make a NO FLY ZONE above.

There was at least one rich radio host that flew people in to protest in a private jet.

[RicROC]

106. instead of Joe coming to DC..

fly Chief Justice Roberts to him. Then, fly Roberts to swear in Kamala, who is in a totally different location.

[Klaralven]

107. Do the inauguration on Zoom, like everything else

If they must, they can have cardboard cutouts of people and pipe in crowd noise.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

111. Love Malcolm

he is correct, don't even fool around with it

[ecstatic]

116. He's been right about everything.

I really hope the people who need to hear this are hearing it.

[colsohlibgal]

122. Dead On

Yep have a heavily populated and armed very large zone around the Inauguration and post clear warnings around the perimeter..

I would monitor the skies as well.

We can’t be too careful those Trumpsters are foaming at the mouth insane.

[Joinfortmill]

127. YES!