are people that politically inept ?

[drray23]

The argument about having the senate trial later is beyond stupid. Once Trump is out, the sense of urgency is gone. The second we send the articles of impeachment ( that hopefully we will have voted on this week) to the senate, the gop senators will simply say its moot since Trump is out and turn the argument around saying democrats are playing politics. I can already see minority leader McConnel say that with a smug face

" Our friends on the other side of the aisle are more interested about scoring political points than doing the business of the country "

etc... cue in the bullshit

[BusyBeingBest]

1. Some Dem politicians aren't all that interested in punishing Trump's crimes, just want him gone.

They will gladly brush aside anything that distracts or takes away resources from their legislative agenda. I don't agree with it.

[drray23]

4. indeed. that is of course the most likely explanation.

my question is rhetorical. I know people like Clyburn are not politically inept. I can only conclude the same thing you did.

[napi21]

2. Some will, but the prime intent is to prevent him from holding any future political positions. There

are lots of Pubs in the Senate who want to run for POTUS in 2024 & they would welcome the idea of not having DT as a candidate too. I think there will be more Pubs than you think who will support conviction.

[2naSalit]

3. Actually...

Since we have to wait for MM to be the minority leader, he said he wouldn't bring it to the floor until at least the 19th, it would be best to wait until we have all our Senators seated and control the Senate. Then the successful conviction is more possible. And since the main point at this late date id to make sure he can never hold office again and could cause him to lose all federal benes, it's not the worst thing on the planet.

[blitzen]

5. GOP senators eyeing 2024 will have an incentive to convict. n/t

[drray23]

7. yes its true. but many others who would have had political cover

from their base by voting before the 20th by claiming urgency to stop Trump wont have it after the 20th and then simply acquit.

[Yavin4]

6. Trump has to be held accountable for his crimes.

He should be impeached and prosecuted once he leaves office. Hiding behind, "hey, let's just move on", is not going to work this time. Otherwise, this will happen again, and the next time, it will be much worse.

[drray23]

8. absolutely

im hoping he stays pissed at Pence and does not resign if we fail to remove him before the 20th. If he then attempt to pardon himself this could go down in flames and he will be prosecutable for everything including all that was found by Mueller.

[TwilightZone]

13. Impeachment at this point would hold him accountable for nothing.

It's essentially a meaningless gesture. The only benefit is that he would probably be excluded from running for future office, but his political career ended this week. It's symbolic and little else.

That's assuming the Senate will convict. I'm not convinced they will. Plenty of R Senators in red states have little reason to dump him - their constituents still support him.

[Yavin4]

14. He needs to be both impeached and later prosecuted for his crimes. n/t

[StarfishSaver]

9. If Pelosi thinks something's a good idea and someone on DU is certain it's not, I'm pretty sure

that Pelosi's not the one whose position is based on political ineptitude.

[drray23]

10. the other explanation is worse.

Obviously Pelosi or Clyburn are not inept which means they prefer that alternate outcome. Its even more distressing.

[StarfishSaver]

11. Or maybe they know better than you do how to achieve the end we all want

I'm going with them, not ransom people on DU who keep smearing Democratic leaders.

[drray23]

12. After I vote I dont check my brain at the door

and blindly think my leaders are always right. We are a democracy. We will see if indeed that strategy is the best one.

However a look at past history is not reassuring. We have yet to manage to hold Trump or most of the gop seditionists accountable. Its not just recent, it has been going on since the Reagan years .

Of course a third possibility is that they have recognized they wont have the votes so they prefer to push Biden's first 100 days agenda before the senate trial.

[dhill926]

15. if Schumer is in charge of the trial rather than McConnell...

it's a whole different animal. I still don't expect the Senate to convict...but Schumer can bring a LOT of shit in to evidence....

[StarfishSaver]

16. Exactly

The Senate can do a trial McConnell's way or they can do it Schumer's way.

I think we would all prefer that it be done Schumer's way.

[JI7]

17. McConnell is in Control of the Senate and he isn't going to do anything until Trump is out

[uponit7771]

18. The attempt to remove Trump is covered next week.