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Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:58 AM Jan 2021

Security failures, or Sedition Successes?

Much public outage over the January 6 insurrection is focused on why our Capital wasn't better protected in anticipation of potential violence, when Trump extremists from across the nation converged on Washington DC with intentions that were barely (if even that) concealed. It has been widely called a "security failure", which implies that "mistakes were made", and no doubt some were. The alternate explanation though is that plans were instead well executed, plans that may have ensured that the defenses for Capital Hill were functionally crippled through the deliberate withholding of adequate security resources.

For now most attention seems focused on why our security forces were not better prepared, a question that obviously must be answered. For me what stands out even sharper though is why was the ransacking of Congress, and the targeting our national leaders for possible assassination, allowed to go on for three hours after it was evident that the security of Congress was severely compromised, before either National Guard or standard military troops arrived to restore order?

The Mayor of Washington DC lacked the authority to deploy the National Guard on her own orders, because the District of Columbia is not an independent state. DC is the Capital of our nation, not the county seat of some sparsely inhabited not all of that strategic region thousands of miles away from the American seat of government. Thousands of reinforcements could have arrived at Congress within twenty minutes of any crisis erupting there. They didn't.

One can argue at length, with plenty of hard evidence, that our security officials should have seen what was coming on January 6th weeks in advance and prepared accordingly. No doubt some will try to make excuses for such a massive, and consequential, "security failure". Some always do, but it didn't require any foresight, to perceive what actually occurred once an insurrectionist mob reached the steps of the Capital. You didn't need to personally receive frantic phone calls from Congressmen and Congresswomen barricaded inside their offices to know what was going on. You just had to turn on a TV.

Where was Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller while all this was going down, he who was very recently appointed personally by Donald J Trump, leapfrogged into that position over several officials better prepared and higher up in the Defense Department chain of command? He was "out of contact" for two hours while repeated appeals were made to him to authorize the use of the National Guard to quell an insurrection. No one should kid themselves. The United States Secretary of Defense in NEVER "out of contact." He is ALWAYS available to respond to any real threat to National Security literally within seconds. There are secure means for communication available inside of every "undisclosed secure bunker." The American Secretary of Defense does never gets to "turn off his cell phone. So what was he doing when he should have been deploying the National Guard?

I hear a lot of talk about "Security Failures." I need to hear a lot more talk about the "Coup successes."

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Security failures, or Sedition Successes? (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Jan 2021 OP
Why does the cop say, "I disagreed with this." arlyellowdog Jan 2021 #1
Good catch. That needs to be followed up on Tom Rinaldo Jan 2021 #2
Has Chris Miller said ANYTHING since/about the attempted Coup? n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2021 #3
The crazy thing is Trump couldn't understand how bad this would turn out for him. njhoneybadger Jan 2021 #4
With his incitement of the insurrection Trump crossed over into Benedict Arnold territory Tom Rinaldo Jan 2021 #7
. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2021 #5
lol, yes Tom Rinaldo Jan 2021 #6
Now we're on the same page njhoneybadger Jan 2021 #8
I agree Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #10
Mix a little LIHOP with some MIHOP OxQQme Jan 2021 #9

arlyellowdog

(866 posts)
1. Why does the cop say, "I disagreed with this."
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:03 AM
Jan 2021
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When the crowd streams into the Capitol, they walk past 4 Capitol policemen holding the door open for them. One officer tells the reporter, “I disagreed with this.” The faces of the officers are clear, except for the 1 wearing a mask. Who gave the orders.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
2. Good catch. That needs to be followed up on
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:09 AM
Jan 2021

And that scene was revolting. There were several officers present and it doesn't seem that they were being confronted by insurmountable numbers of out of control rioters when they offered no resistance to entrance to the insurrectionists.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
4. The crazy thing is Trump couldn't understand how bad this would turn out for him.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:00 AM
Jan 2021

Why did all the law enforcement agencies involved look the other way?
It's almost like they were giving him enough rope to hang himself.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
7. With his incitement of the insurrection Trump crossed over into Benedict Arnold territory
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jan 2021

and exited the category of "controversial presidency". It is all falling apart for him now, and he can not undo the permanent damage he has done to himself and all those associated with Trump enterprises. The PGA is not exactly a political organization look for an opportunity to stick it to an American president soon to be ex-president. When the PGA bans one of America's most famous "golfers" for life, something fundamental has shifted in how Trump is now and will forever be regarded.

But I don't think law enforcement agencies were just giving Trump enough rope to hang himself with, those rioters literally brought rope with them to hang the Vice President of the United States and the Speaker of the House, number two and three in succession to the presidency. They came far too close to achieving their goals.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
6. lol, yes
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jan 2021

But evidence of plotting involving elements of government would literally establish Jan. 6th as an attempted coup, and not just a "protest" that got "out of hand" which was not adequately prepared for. A lot of Republicans in particular want us to think of it only as the latter.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
10. I agree
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:34 PM
Jan 2021

I think that it was a bit of both. And I think that some of the "failures" to properly secure the Capitol were intentional. We will find out for sure, eventually. I'm just thankful they didn't actually get ahold of any Congressmen or Senators, particularly in light of what nearly happened in Michigan with Governor Whitmer.

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
9. Mix a little LIHOP with some MIHOP
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:03 PM
Jan 2021

Eventually we'll find out who's pulling the levers behind the curtain.

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