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Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:41 PM Jan 2021

New Policy Sets in Motion Nuclear Space Travel and Colonization

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/policy-sets-motion-nuclear-space-133000204.html

LOS ANGELES, CA / ACCESSWIRE / January 11, 2021 / On December 16, 2020, the White House issued Space Policy Directive-6 (SPD-6), which outlines a national strategy for using space nuclear power and propulsion (SNPP) systems in a safe and effective manner. The new policy directive confirms the United States' commitment to using SNPP systems and establishing nuclear power stations on the moon and beyond, which is good news for US Nuclear (OTCQB:UCLE) and partner MIFTI, who have designed and are testing thermonuclear fusion power generators.

Scott Pace of the National Space Council, commented "Space nuclear power and propulsion is a fundamentally enabling technology for American deep-space missions to Mars and beyond. The United States intends to remain the leader among spacefaring nations, applying nuclear power technology safely, securely, and sustainably in space." The key factor for enabling space travel are the new nuclear powered propulsion systems, as traditional chemical powered rocket fuels are hopelessly weak. DARPA, NASA, and the US Space Force have recently gotten serious and deployed the nuclear option. Why? Nuclear fuels and nuclear power systems, such as the highly-regarded MIFTI Z-pinch fusion reactor, can deliver 10,000,000 times the work (or energy) per payload pound than the chemical rocket fuels now used by Musk's Space-X, Bezos's Blue Origin, Branson's Virgin Atlantic, as do Lockheed and Boeing.

Fusion propulsion should far outperform fission-based propulsion, because fusion reactions release up to four times as much energy, says NASA chief engineer Jeff Sheehy. Fusion uses a very lightweight, low-cost, and safe fuel, whereas fission uses a fuel that is scarce, expensive, and hazardous. Fusion propulsion devices could also be one-thousandth as large as a fission device. Saturn's moon Titan, has long been a focus of scientists as it is the only known body in space besides Earth where there is clear evidence of surface liquid, which could potentially harbor life. A fusion powered propulsion system could reach Mars in as little as 3 months, the asteroid belt in 7 months, and Titan in just two years.

Princeton Plasma Physics Lab is in the process of developing a fusion powered spacecraft called the Direct Fusion Drive (DFD) which can produce thrust directly from fusion, while US Nuclear and MIFTI are just a few years away from producing the world's first working fusion power generator.

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New Policy Sets in Motion Nuclear Space Travel and Colonization (Original Post) Dial H For Hero Jan 2021 OP
Trying to legislate technology into existence with the goal of taking credit for it if it happens? Towlie Jan 2021 #1
How is a fusion reactor going to irradiate the atmosphere? Loki Liesmith Jan 2021 #3
I don't really know, it's currently nothing more than science fiction. Towlie Jan 2021 #4
I'll answer the question: it can't Loki Liesmith Jan 2021 #5
It's the inherent danger of launching the fusion products into orbit and having a launch failure... Hugin Jan 2021 #9
That's certainly an objection (an overblown one, IMHO) to launching fission products. But fusion? Dial H For Hero Jan 2021 #10
You've got to get the reaction started. Hugin Jan 2021 #11
While fusion bombs do indeed have fission triggers, as far as I know (and again, correct me if I'm Dial H For Hero Jan 2021 #13
I'm not sure where all of the Helium-3 is going to come from... Hugin Jan 2021 #14
Lunar mining, presumably. Dial H For Hero Jan 2021 #15
Mine the moon. Loki Liesmith Jan 2021 #16
See #17; the government policy is about fission, not fusion (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2021 #18
But the article is almost entirely about fusion drives Loki Liesmith Jan 2021 #20
Yeah, the "article" is a press release from a company that thinks it can make a fusion reactor muriel_volestrangler Jan 2021 #21
Please don't promote this 'nuclear paranoia'. triron Jan 2021 #6
Please don't stand up your straw man and knock it back down. Towlie Jan 2021 #7
In fairness, you did bring up speculation of a fusion powered ship making the atmosphere radioactive Dial H For Hero Jan 2021 #8
No; the *government* policy includes fission reactors muriel_volestrangler Jan 2021 #17
Fair enough. Dial H For Hero Jan 2021 #19
Good Loki Liesmith Jan 2021 #2
It's the "safe and effective" part that should concern us... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #12

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
1. Trying to legislate technology into existence with the goal of taking credit for it if it happens?
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:47 PM
Jan 2021

 
?

But of course if it results in a radioactive atmosphere then there's no doubt where the blame will go.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
4. I don't really know, it's currently nothing more than science fiction.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:24 PM
Jan 2021

 
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It's how the atmosphere-processing plant was powered in James Cameron's movie, Aliens.

But it does appear that a fusion reactor may produce less radiation but not eliminate it completely:

Wikipedia: Fusion Rocket

For space flight, the main advantage of fusion would be the very high specific impulse, and the main disadvantage the (likely) large mass of the reactor. However, a fusion rocket may produce less radiation than a fission rocket, reducing the mass needed for shielding.


All I'm really saying is that if the project succeeds the Trump crime family will claim credit, but if it fails it'll be the scientists' fault.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
5. I'll answer the question: it can't
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:28 PM
Jan 2021

Fusion reactors do not create radioactive waste.
Also they are not science fiction. Some of my colleagues work on fusion reactors.

Hugin

(33,112 posts)
9. It's the inherent danger of launching the fusion products into orbit and having a launch failure...
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 02:25 PM
Jan 2021

Which has long been the objection.

Those products could potentially fall back to Earth and cause a wide spread radiation spillage. A big old dirty bomb.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
10. That's certainly an objection (an overblown one, IMHO) to launching fission products. But fusion?
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 02:32 PM
Jan 2021

Helium-3 and deuterium aren't radioactive.

Hugin

(33,112 posts)
11. You've got to get the reaction started.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 02:39 PM
Jan 2021

The only thing (outside of science fiction) to accomplish that is fission.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
13. While fusion bombs do indeed have fission triggers, as far as I know (and again, correct me if I'm
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 03:22 PM
Jan 2021

wrong), fusion reactors will have no such trigger.

Hugin

(33,112 posts)
14. I'm not sure where all of the Helium-3 is going to come from...
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 03:37 PM
Jan 2021

"Virtually all helium-3 used in industry today is produced from the radioactive decay of tritium, given its very low natural abundance and its very high cost.
Production, sales and distribution of helium-3 in the United States are managed by the US Department of Energy (DOE) Isotope Program.
While tritium has several different experimentally determined values of its half-life, NIST lists 4,500 ± 8 days (12.32 ± 0.02 years). It decays into helium-3 by beta decay."

Ooo... Beta decay. Tritium is dirty, radioactive, and essential to having enough He-3 to fill a thimble.

I'd much rather get a Hydrogen economy going. Fuel cells and/or recombining it with O2 to form H2O. Much cleaner.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
21. Yeah, the "article" is a press release from a company that thinks it can make a fusion reactor
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 05:41 PM
Jan 2021

and puts imaginary numbers on how marvellous they are (in reality, they can't put any proper numbers on them, because they haven't made a working one yet). This is just a bit of PR to push up a share price or two (it actually says "fission uses a fuel that is scarce, expensive, and hazardous" ).

The government policy is about fission, and some development of radioisotope generators too.

triron

(21,993 posts)
6. Please don't promote this 'nuclear paranoia'.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:31 PM
Jan 2021

This is nonsense. Educate yourself.
I worked in the nuclear waste field (computer modeling) for most of my career.
There is too much hyperbole out there with little or no scientific basis.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
7. Please don't stand up your straw man and knock it back down.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:58 PM
Jan 2021

 
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I'm talking about how politicians like to legislate technology into existence. We've seen it with legislation that required cars to meet certain emission standards by specific deadlines even though the technology to achieve it didn't yet exist.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
8. In fairness, you did bring up speculation of a fusion powered ship making the atmosphere radioactive
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 02:21 PM
Jan 2021

And while the article you later linked did speak of such engines producing less radioactivity than a fission reactor, this is (correct me if I'm wrong) ionizing radiation such as gamma rays. This cannot make the atmosphere radioactive, in contrast to the operation and/or catastrophic failure of a fission reactor.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
17. No; the *government* policy includes fission reactors
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 04:42 PM
Jan 2021

You've given us the January press release from a company which reckons it can make a fusion reactor. But the December government announcement, which is what "legislating" is about, is about fission (perhaps fusion too, but it doesn't mention it):

President Donald J. Trump is Establishing America’s National Strategy for Space Nuclear Power
and Propulsion

...
Nuclear reactors generate energy through nuclear fission, typically of uranium fuel.
...
Space Policy Directive – 6
 For modest power needs, radioisotopic thermal generators—which are essentially nuclear batteries—can
use the energy of radioactive decay to generate electricity for decades. For higher power needs, small
nuclear reactors can provide heating, electricity, and spacecraft propulsion. SNPP systems can enable
spacecraft, and rovers and other surface systems, to operate in environments where other energy sources
are inadequate. SNPP systems can also shorten transit times for crewed and robotic spacecraft, thereby
reducing radiation exposure from harsh space environments.
...
The United States will pursue goals for SNPP development and utilization that are both enabling and
ambitious:
o Develop capabilities that enable production of fuel suitable to a range of planetary surface and inspace SNPP applications;
o Demonstrate a fission power system on the Moon;
o Establish technical foundations and capabilities that will enable options for in-space nuclear
propulsion;
...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Fact-Sheet-Space-Policy-Directive-6.pdf

So this is not "nuclear paranoia", in terms of worrying about fissile material in an accident.

Wounded Bear

(58,620 posts)
12. It's the "safe and effective" part that should concern us...
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 02:42 PM
Jan 2021

We'll eventually have to do something. Current chemical rockets and energy hogs and extreme polluters. We need a better way to get into orbit.

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