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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGerman Chancellor Angela Merkel has criticized Twitter for banning President Trump,
saying that social media networks shouldnt have the power to decide who is allowed to exercise free speech.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-11/merkel-sees-closing-trump-s-social-media-accounts-problematic?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic
Hey Angela, tRump has broken TOS a million times so like anyone that does that should get the boot
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,307 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)This is one of the first missteps I've heard from her. Businesses don't owe anybody a platform if they're not using it appropriately or safely.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Tanuki
(14,914 posts)be covered in all the media. If he doesn't feel like showing up in person, he commands an entire press and communications staff, paid for by us taxpayers, who can deliver his message.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Skittles
(153,111 posts)ya know?
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)CurtEastPoint
(18,618 posts)DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)But this is ridiculous: free speech (in the US context) relates to governmental restrictions on speech, not those imposed by non-governmental/private actors like Twitter.
Twitter can do what it wants.
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onecaliberal
(32,776 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,578 posts)This is NOT a free speech issue.
Angela would do well to recall her own country's history.
C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)It's about planning, organizing, deploying and executing terrorism. That's what these technologies are being used for.
leftstreet
(36,097 posts)Congress had the responsibility to remove him
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)EarthFirst
(2,896 posts)Then she can mince words over free speech when its her debacle to reign in...
GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)Make7
(8,543 posts)SamKnause
(13,087 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)opinion would be different.
BumRushDaShow
(128,420 posts)someone starts invoking "Hitler" and "Nazis" there and then...
She should know better. The U.S. government isn't censoring the speech. The "President Trump@potus" and "The White House@WhiteHouse" accounts are both still up.
"Free market capitalism" has decided that seditionist rants on their platform weren't good for their "bottom line" and it took 4 years for them to finally get around to doing it.
Ritabert
(665 posts)Consider that Twitter is a "Christian" bakery and Trump is a wedding cake for a gay marriage.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)Tromp's supporters were wearing Auschwitz shirts, nazi emblems, and shirts with 6MWME which would are banned in Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Holocaust_denial
Doodley
(9,036 posts)should be allowed to incite hatred and violence.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)I'm glad that Trump was banned by corporations because our government won't. The result is more tepid when corporations do it because they can only ban from places they control. So Merkel is saying Trump should continue to be allowed to incite hate and violence wherever he wants to.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)It cannot expose itself to liability when it's misused by account-holders, or it won't last long as a business. It is not speech. Trump can talk all day, every day, to everyone or no one, with any willing organization or person to broadcast or record it. Maybe Merkel doesn't understand that no business in America is REQUIRED to broadcast or disseminate his comments. Germany must operate differently.
Doodley
(9,036 posts)private individual that runs a social media company. I don't disagree. Our lawmakers need to accept responsibility first and not simply leave it for the heads of social media corporations.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)to allow to use their platforms, and under which circumstances. For their own survival, they HAVE to monitor--and silence--troublemakers who use them to run afoul with the law. If your letters to the editor of your local fish wrap keep getting rejected, are they silencing you? Or have they made the decision they don't like what you're saying, and have the right not to run it?
Doodley
(9,036 posts)Twitter. Do you want the next Trump to keep posting conspiracy theories, hate-filled lies about opponents and incite more terror? If so, why trust the social media companies? They are reacting now because they know they played a role. It's too late. Lawmakers need to act to prevent this from happening again.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)people are receiving. It can only be regulated as to what is legal and illegal in the United States. Examples of possible illegality: death threats. Exhortations to violence. Fraud. Conspiracy to commit crimes. Various kinds of pornography or other indecent material. Other than that, businesses who have platforms and blogs and servers etc. can police their own users and set their own terms for use, and I think that's the proper way to go about it.
hauweg
(98 posts)81 percent of Germans agree with Twitter's decision according to a poll. She's not representing the majority in this case.
DFW
(54,272 posts)They are thus subject to equal treatment laws, BUT, just like a restaurant has the right to refuse service, FB and Twitter have the right, and a moral if not legal duty not to run afoul of incitement laws.
Besides, since by Germany has clear and strict laws restricting (Nazi) speech, she, of all people, should understand others trying to protect themselves against the same thing.
moondust
(19,956 posts)They even passed a "Facebook Act" in 2017. I don't know what's in it but given their history assumed it was done partly to prevent the spread of dangerous propaganda.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)How is Trump any different?
Maine-i-acs
(1,499 posts)And people who kill people with guns have a right to own more guns.
And people who kick dogs should be allowed to own more dogs, etc
Nobody took away his free speech mein frau, he still has vocal cords.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)He has a massive platform available to him as a president. He simply prefers to talk shit while he shits.