Trump puts all pardons on hold in fit of rage after being told a self pardon implicates him

[herding cats]

Trump is mad a self pardon opens him to civil lawsuits. He's now saying if he can't get a pardon then no one else gets one either!

Link to tweet

Works for me!

Trump is reportedly so angry aides are warning him against a self-pardon, he's put all pardons 'on hold'

If you were hoping for a last-minute pardon from President Trump, ABC News' Jonathan Karl has some bad news for you. After last week's assault on the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters, right after Trump urged them to march on the Capitol, Trump is not in the pardoning mood, Karl told anchor David Muir on Monday's ABC World News Tonight.

"The president has been warned, David, by some of his lawyers that if he goes ahead and pardons himself, he could be more vulnerable to civil lawsuits, including from some of those injured in the Capitol riot, because a self-pardon would be seen as an admission that he did something wrong that he would need to be pardoned for," Karl said. "The president is angry, he has not taken that well, and I am told that he is now saying that he doesn't want to see pardons for anybody. So the attitude seems to be: 'If I can't get a pardon, then nobody else should get one, either.'"

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-reportedly-angry-aides-warning-070935116.html

[durablend]

1. So, what's the problem?

[Cha]

48. No problem for me!

[dweller]

2. 😂

Hahahahahahahahaaaaa.
dumbass
✌🏻

[malaise]

3. Pardon Me?

Get thee to the greatest page RFN!

[KS Toronado]

43. OK, you're excused!

[DURHAM D]

4. .

[Raven123]

5. This is funny. If Trump doesn't get a pardon, no one does. Perfect

[AZ8theist]

33. What a fucking child....

Mentality and maturity of a 3rd grader...

[DeLurkor]

57. Obiligatory Demand to not Insult 3rd Graders

[AZ8theist]

58. Agreed. I know 3rd graders with more maturity.

Perhaps he has the temperament of a "toddler"?

But it's hard to quantify how immature and stupid a 74 year old man can be.

[tblue37]

6. Manafort hasn't been pardoned yet, has he?

[RockRaven]

12. He was. A couple of weeks ago.

At least IIRC...

[rusty fender]

14. He has already been pardoned

[herding cats]

26. Manafort and Stone both have.

Also, Charles Kushner.

[lagomorph777]

46. Jarhead's out in the cold though.

[In_The_Wind]

7. Well duh.

[AleksS]

8. I don't see how that can possibly come

back to bite him on his bloated butt.

[getagrip_already]

9. I don't care? Do you?

I would if he were giving them out like candy, but poor kushie and the kidz not getting one, precious.

[C_U_L8R]

10. The whining. Will it just go away.

The next week cannot come fast enough. The question is who will indict him first.

[RockRaven]

11. Yes please!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's right, Donnie. It not fair you can't have one! [ ]

Don't be a sucker and give them away to anyone else!

[Chainfire]

18. His solution is simple

Resign now and pray that Pence will pardon you. I am sure he will be willing after you tried to have him killed.

[Karma13612]

13. Except for those who

Deserved a pardon (wrongly convicted, etc), I see this as a win-win.

The people who he has been showering with pardons lately are not deserving of pardons. And if he doesn’t pardon himself, all the better.

Again, I do feel badly for those who were hoping for a last minute pardon that have been wrong convicted, but I was under the impression Trump wasn’t doing much of that kind of pardoning.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. I don't think a self-pardon would be upheld even by the Cons on the Supreme Court

Especially after the disaster at the Capitol.

Even they don't want the chaos and lawlessness that a self-pardon would create.

[herding cats]

20. My thoughts as well.

If he did do such it would most likely be knocked down and the matter would become settled law, finally.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. I don't indulge in "blackmail by fear" theories, but the Justices will have been warned by FBI

They will have been warned by the relevant authorities like the FBI. This may be in addition to information from various other judges.

I don't indulge in blackmail by fear theories, i.e. that judges are automatically cowed by death threats and are incapable of judging fairly even when threatened. Nor do I indulge in the theories so popular on the hard-right forums and websites that any decision against their positions is instantly put down to "the have obviously threatened their families and the black robes have caved".

Regardless, it is important to have some sense of what is out there.

This one was posted on the open web the same day as tRump tweeted re Jan 6 "Be there, will be wild!":

Start gathering at the Supreme Court building and give those pussies in black robes a real scare. A couple of flat bed trucks with gallows built on them would be nice for effect.
38 posted on 12/19/2020, by Colo9250

The hard-right had been enraged for days previous against SCotUS:

To Hell with these black robed demons. It is time to water the tree of liberty.
24 posted on 12/11/2020, by diplomatic_immunity

"To Hell with these black robed demons. It is time to water the tree of liberty."
That seems to be the last option available to reclaim what's left of
America. I'd say that this amounts to a call to arms to rise up and
take back what is being stolen from Americans.
1,059 posted on 12/11/2020, by Ron H. (No cencership of
free speech at Gab.com)

[herding cats]

25. I've seen some of that.

Even without the threats, the legal precedence of a presidential self pardon are shaky at best.

A lawless President is not what the founding fathers had in mind.

[Mr. Ected]

16. Because the Founding Fathers said, hey, if you're popular enough to be President

Of course you can commit and conspire to commit as many crimes as you want because we WANT you to be able to break every law we're putting into place if it benefits you and your cronies enough, so sure, 100%, unmitigated pardon power to the King, we mean President.

I am so sick of old DOJ memos and ridiculous interpretations of 250 year old words being used as an excuse to make a mockery of the rest of our Constitution.

[herding cats]

19. Same here.

If he does pardon himself, which he still might, I was hoping it would be finally adjudicated, knocked down and put to rest.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. "If I can't have one nobody else gets one either!"

[bdamomma]

47. that's the gist

of it, If I can't have you no one can have you.

Rather sick of him huh???

[Aristus]

21. Eight more days of this shit...

We are being asked to endure the unendurable…

[sheshe2]

22. Here is your binky, Donnie.

Suck on it! 🤬

[C Moon]

23. There go the protests on the 20th.

[Chemisse]

40. The terrorists really did act like they expected to get away with it all.

This must be a big surprise for them, especially after Trump's words of love last week.

[jayfish]

27. Seems Like A Convienient Excuse...

to just pardon his co-conspirators. ...media played again.

[patphil]

28. Nobody gets a pardon? Works for me.

I mean he never really cared about those people anyway.
He might still pardon family though.

[bucolic_frolic]

29. This isn't parody?

If true, he's lost it.

He's really seeking a cloak of invincibility, a license to wipe away the consequences of doing whatever he wanted for 4 years.

Nice fantasy but life doesn't work that way.

[fierywoman]

53. Not The Onion ?!?

[Ferrets are Cool]

30. LMAO

[ToxMarz]

31. I hope he feels by not pardoning anyone it will make them fight harder to defend him after office.

May make him actually follow through with not pardoning anyone, because he really doesn't care about anyone else anyway.

[onethatcares]

32. gee, that's so unlike him

after building his life on thinking about others this comes as a total surprise to me........ (did I really need that?)

[machoneman]

34. Which is why this may be a head-fake until the a.m. of the 20th. Or.....

...he's been warned that since his kids, et al, have not been charged to date, trying to absolve them in advance of any charges may well backfire. His kids and that lunkhead Jar-head, er, Jared, must be in terror (good!) in that a pardon does convey that they did something illegal.

[dhill926]

35. orange infantile fuck....

8 more days...

[twodogsbarking]

36. Six days without an attempted coup

at least overt ones.

[PutGramaOnThePhone]

41. Hahahaha...nice...gotta maintain some sense of humor

[royable]

37. Perhaps if his rage rages enough, he'll try to revoke the pardons he's already made.

Others can't undo a presidential pardon, but can the one who initially did the pardon undo it?

I'd love to see a few pardons undone. We could float the idea.

[bucolic_frolic]

38. He can't be that dumb! I think we're being toyed with by S. Miller or someone like that

'Keep the libs drueling so they cry more'

[bdamomma]

50. S. Miller

He's behind this too.

[3catwoman3]

39. Considering the low-life scum he has been pardoning, this...

...strikes me as a very good thing.

[Dopers_Greed]

42. Ahahahahahahahahahaha

So much losing

[Cha]

44. Good.. cut off your Fucking pardons to

spite your fucking face

[lagomorph777]

45. It also invites federal CRIMINAL prosecutions specifically intended to test self-pardon in SCOTUS.

It's expected that SCOTUS will reject it (at least for Democrats ).

[MineralMan]

49. Sounds good to me!

[spudspud]

51. What a maroon.

[chwaliszewski]

52. What a petulant little shit-smearer...

[PatrickforO]

54. Hard to find words about what I think of Donald Trump.

Perhaps reptile? Maggot? Piece of dog excrement sticking to shoe? Swamp scum?

[birdographer]

55. Excellent

Actually excellent for two reasons. First, I was worried he would just pardon all those terrorists who were jailed. Second, hearing donnie is angry makes me think of strokes and heart attacks and all kinds of good stuff.

[flibbitygiblets]

56. Many of the pardons he's already granted (Manafort, Stone, and pointedly NOT Cohen)

put him in jeopardy, as I understand it.

Which begs the question: Is there such a thing as an UN-pardon, and if so, is fat Nixon considering this?

[0nirevets]

59. Finally, however briefly, he feels the long arm of law grabbing him by the...

[yellowcanine]

60. Okaaaauy. I am down with that.

[AllyCat]

61. He is such a spoiled brat.

[moonscape]

62. It would be hilarious if he

pardoned Ivanka and not Don/Jared/Eric.