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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts) Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:05 PM Jan 2021

With Pence's "visit" to Trump and "will he won't he" on McConnell, here's one possible scenario

1). House votes to impeach Trump

2). McConnell signals he WILL allow a vote, and the Senate DOES have the votes to convict and remove.

3). Trump resigns to head off a Senate vote

4). Pence pardons Trump

5). Trump keeps all his goodies...Secret Service, $200K pension, $1 million travel allowance, and can run again in 2024

Not saying it WILL happen, but it is definitely a possibility.

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With Pence's "visit" to Trump and "will he won't he" on McConnell, here's one possible scenario (Original Post) Miles Archer Jan 2021 OP

Has been my greatest fear, other than Trump moonscape Jan 2021 #1

He'd have to do it BEFORE the House votes to impeach... regnaD kciN Jan 2021 #2

If the Senate votes to convict after he leaves office, disqualification will be the only penalty StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #3

"except in Cases of Impeachment" SunStar Jan 2021 #4

Does resignation stop the trial? Ohio Joe Jan 2021 #5

McConnell gets little out of that scenario. He's already got most of Big Funders saying no more $$$ hlthe2b Jan 2021 #6

moonscape

(4,674 posts)

1. Has been my greatest fear, other than Trump

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:06 PM

Jan 2021

nuking the world that is.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)

2. He'd have to do it BEFORE the House votes to impeach...

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:11 PM

Jan 2021

...or the Senate can still take it up and convict him, with all associated penalties, even after he leaves office.

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)

3. If the Senate votes to convict after he leaves office, disqualification will be the only penalty

Reply to regnaD kciN (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:15 PM

Jan 2021

He'll still get his pension, budget and Secret Service. He loses his pension and budget only if he's removed from office - and if he's already left office, that can't happen - and he gets his lifetime Secret Service protection regardless how he leaves office.

SunStar

(66 posts)

4. "except in Cases of Impeachment"

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:17 PM

Jan 2021

Pardons don't apply to impeachment. Precedent says resignation doesn't stop them from convicting and declaring he can't run again. Since the last one is a big part of why Republican want to vote for impeachment...

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)

5. Does resignation stop the trial?

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:18 PM

Jan 2021

I know it did for Nixon but is it an automatic stop? I don't know the answer but I am unaware of anything that says it has to stop the trial. A pardon would cover federal crimes but does an impeachment trial fall under that?

hlthe2b

(102,421 posts)

6. McConnell gets little out of that scenario. He's already got most of Big Funders saying no more $$$

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:22 PM

Jan 2021

after Trump's sedition move. If McConnell enables Trump to run again, not only will there be no hope of rebuilding the party sans the destructive Trump influence, but he'll likewise have no $$ to do it.

I don't see this, given McConnell is no fool This only helps Trump.

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