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Timothy Snyder: The more we learn, the less this looks like a coup bound to fail...



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Timothy Snyder
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The more we learn, the less this looks like a coup bound to fail, and the more it looks like plain luck that all of our legislators and our vice-president were not murdered.
12:12 PM ∑ Jan 13, 2021

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Reply Timothy Snyder: The more we learn, the less this looks like a coup bound to fail... (Original post)
Nevilledog Jan 13 OP
SheltieLover Jan 13 #1
dalton99a Jan 13 #4
SheltieLover Jan 13 #7
cilla4progress Jan 13 #36
StClone Jan 13 #6
SheltieLover Jan 13 #8
StClone Jan 13 #50
SheltieLover Jan 13 #51
MagickMuffin Jan 13 #2
C Moon Jan 13 #23
HariSeldon Jan 13 #27
C Moon Jan 13 #49
flying_wahini Jan 13 #42
Lasher Jan 13 #45
Cobalt Violet Jan 13 #3
appalachiablue Jan 13 #18
judesedit Jan 13 #19
Chemisse Jan 13 #44
LineReply !
Hugin Jan 13 #5
BlueIdaho Jan 13 #9
Hortensis Jan 13 #10
triron Jan 13 #11
haele Jan 13 #12
Ohioboy Jan 13 #39
ananda Jan 13 #13
bdamomma Jan 13 #14
tanyev Jan 13 #15
dhill926 Jan 13 #31
MyOwnPeace Jan 13 #46
yaesu Jan 13 #16
groundloop Jan 13 #17
Nevilledog Jan 13 #22
LiberalLovinLug Jan 13 #33
LPBBEAR Jan 13 #20
Ohioboy Jan 13 #40
Chin music Jan 14 #52
PatrickforO Jan 13 #21
NHvet Jan 13 #24
bucolic_frolic Jan 13 #25
Ohioboy Jan 13 #43
Escurumbele Jan 13 #26
DallasNE Jan 13 #28
fwvinson Jan 13 #32
Pinkflamingo Jan 13 #41
Ferrets are Cool Jan 13 #29
Javaman Jan 13 #30
ffr Jan 13 #34
Quixote1818 Jan 13 #35
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Pinkflamingo Jan 13 #38
Chemisse Jan 13 #47
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VladmireTrumpkins Jan 14 #53
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:33 PM

1. Precisely!

And the 1 cop who shot that traitor & the 1 cop who led the traitors up stairs away from legislators.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:36 PM

4. Those two cops practically saved our legislative branch from mass slaughter


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Response to dalton99a (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:39 PM

7. Yes, they did!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:58 PM

36. Statues.

I want statues.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:38 PM

6. Everything seemed to be in place for a rain of terror

Like the missing Panic buttons. Somehow, we escape. Likely, it would have been the darkest days since this country formed.

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Response to StClone (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:40 PM

8. Best do thorough clean up. May not get 2nd chance!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

50. It will take a while

And all domestic enemies should be found and prosecuted. No one noticed I stated a "rain" of terror rather than "reign" noting the drip by drip escalation of this by Trump.

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Response to StClone (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

51. Yes, it will take time

Great play on words!

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:33 PM

2. Exactly, the more of the videos coming out


We can see how the insurrectionists knew a lot.

They be going to jail.

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Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:04 PM

23. They'll probably all be pardoned by the King Traitor himself.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:23 PM

27. Only if he wants to be convicted in his impeachment trial nt

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Response to HariSeldon (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 07:46 PM

49. We've seen how he does things for four years now.

Heíll most definitely pardon them and probably on the morning if the 20th.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:22 PM

42. Only if charged Before Trump leaves office.

When Biden gets in the gloves comes off.

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #42)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:29 PM

45. A blanket pardon can be preemptive.

Iran/Contra is one precedent. Poppy Bush did that for Reagan and his cronies. Some had been charged already but others had not.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:34 PM

3. wonder who took out the panic buttons?

I'd like to know more about that.

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:57 PM

18. Yes indeed, how and when were the PANIC BUTTONS disabled?

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:57 PM

19. Abso effing lutely

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:28 PM

44. One was noted to be missing after a 'tour' from the day before?

No link. Just one of the fragments I've read today.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:37 PM

5. !

Indubitably.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:42 PM

9. When the story is finally told

There will be many traitors in the White House and the congress that will be found out.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:45 PM

10. It was a SELF-COUP that had already failed, as Fiona Hill explains

at the link, BUT we came very close to a bloody murder and/or hostage standoff and rescue in our Capitol. She doesn't go into the incompetence and lack of commitment by leaders that contributed to its failure, but merely the structural elements of successful hostile takeovers by members of the current government.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/11/capitol-riot-self-coup-trump-fiona-hill-457549

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 03:55 PM

11. Everyone in the fucking country nneds to listen to this!

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:20 PM

12. I suspect that if the modern GOP wasn't a bunch of corporate funded popinjays...

...if the complicit GOP congress-critters and/or insider staff were actually competent instead of failed professionals/businesspeople, washed out military (up or out bay-bee!), diploma-mill graduates and conservative talking heads who are in it just for the lobbyist or PAC money, it might have succeeded.

That's the scary thing. If there really was a "Frank Underwood" running things in the background instead of a bunch of wannabes, we would be in a much worse position than we are now.

Come to think of it, a real "Frank Underwood" would quickly realize that if the election could not be stolen, any subsequent coup would so destroy the nation and the economy that what would be left would not be worth the coup.
I would hope the moneyed and business interests behind GOP PACs suddenly have come to the understanding that tearing the country apart means no comfortable profits for decades. No Quarterly Earnings. No markets. No ski resorts or tourist venues. No Infrastructure. There are no profits in the End Times, even if you can carve yourself out a fiefdom in the middle of Colorado where a resort used to be.

Nothing but uncertainty and dust. Better to back off, back out, and wait for the next election opening.


Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:16 PM

39. Now if you could only get that through ever seditionists mind

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:23 PM

13. I've thought this since the day after,

when I learned about the weapons, the threats,
and the fact that the senators had just left the
chamber after the Arizona objection, giving them
a chance to shelter.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:26 PM

14. I hope

that our well tuned militia which is the National Guard is locked, loaded and ready, to protect our new President and VP.


Troubling reports are out that the Domestic terrorists want to kill our Democratic leaders.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:27 PM

15. The legislators slavishly loyal to Trump probably would have been spared.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:36 PM

31. I wouldn't trust a mob to spare anybody...

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Response to tanyev (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:30 PM

46. Can you imagine.....

if that had happened, all of those brilliant minds murdered, and only Louie Gohmert survived.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:54 PM

16. if these tRump terrorists were capable of beating police to death they were more then capable

of beating the tRump targets, those serving in Congress, to death.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:55 PM

17. You kinda' gotta' wonder if Rudy was in charge of the coup also.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:01 PM

22. If he was, they would have ended up here 👇

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:44 PM

33. lol.

Much needed levity.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 04:58 PM

20. He is right.

This came very close to succeeding. In my opinion Trump thought he would get these idiots stirred up, sit and watch TV for a while reveling in the spectacle and then after some number of Congress people were killed or kidnapped he would declare Martial Law and stay in the White House as a self appointed dictator.

Thanks a very small number of security personnel and Capitol Police this coup failed. They are all patriots and deserve recognition for saving this Democracy.

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Response to LPBBEAR (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:20 PM

40. That's what it seemed like was happening

I was shocked at how long it took for real help to arrive. It's chilling to think that it may have been planned for help to take awhile.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:01 PM

21. Yeah we lucked out. They tore out the fricking panic buttons beforehand, for God's sake.

We need to GRIND on these treasonous assholes.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:06 PM

24. Luckily,

it was a confederacy of dunces!

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:20 PM

25. The more it looks to me like a deep conspiracy of unkown breadth at this point

If it's true that the insurrection had prior tours of the scene, that electronic security devices were removed or disabled, that there were high level coordinator(s) .... the more it looks like a plot.

Where was this going? Once they seized power, was it concentration camp time?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:23 PM

43. I've been having trouble sleeping lately just thinking about where it was supposed to go

I'm not really sure if we are totally out of the woods yet. There are supposed to be armed "protests" this coming week in state capitols. How's that going to go?

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:21 PM

26. Not all would have been murdered, most, if not all, repubs would have gone home without a scratch

And those who enabled the terrorists would have been carried out of the Capitol with cheers.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:24 PM

28. It All Goes Back To That One Security Guard

The rioters had a clear path to the occupied Senate chamber with an unlocked door. The quick thinking security guard shoved the lead protester to make himself the focus of the rioters. It worked as he retreated up a couple flights of stairs where he shoved the rioter once again for one more retreat where he was joined by reinforcements who turned the tables. An insider unlocked the door giving the rioters a direct shot at the Senators and possibly VP Pence. And one quick thinking security guard foiled the whole operation while risking his own life. The nation owes him a debt of gratitude.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:37 PM

32. My feelings, too. A black man helped save our country, again.

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Response to fwvinson (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:21 PM

41. You know what I love? Our black and brown friends are not stuck in this controversy.



I pray they get a nice mental health respite.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:31 PM

29. One has to be amazed that congress persons were not murdered.

I'm still not quite sure how it was botched. There WERE competent people of malice in that group.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:34 PM

30. this is an actual conspiracy unlike the stupid ass qanon crap. this is so fucked up.nt

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:53 PM

34. And more than likely, there's a money trail to which individuals/corps were funding them.

A mercenary army given every opportunity to murder all those who oppose the GOP; enemies of their new state.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 05:55 PM

35. No wonder Don Jr. looked like he had been crying a few days later. They must have been shitting

themselves when it failed.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:08 PM

37. Yes

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:14 PM

38. But I have a concern. At first it appeared both sides were voicing condemnation.



Now Mitch wonít bring it up until after rump is out of office. They seem to all be less upset (except Liz).

This could go south if itís once again separate armed camps, us vs them, endless fighting. Hope Iím wrong but itís not looking good.

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Response to Pinkflamingo (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 06:39 PM

47. Mitch doesn't let emotion get in the way of politics.

He has a strategy for waiting (to help the GOP to survive) and it may actually be to our advantage as well (to see Trump punished for his crimes).

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2021, 07:19 PM

48. The Dark Money has Spoken! We'll not have our party divided by principles and law!

Every Republican in House and Senate heard from the "Forces of Nature" behind that curtain," We won't be undoing the coup just yet. Not if you plan on any further political career approved of and financed by Us."

The GOP thus remains the party of the Confederacy. Racism, Sexism, and Elitism are the Dogma by which Money rules the party. They cannot conceive of another way because the thinkers among them have been culled.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 02:54 PM

53. Just supposed they were murdered

Who would then be in charge? Trump would then take complete control ..

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 04:46 PM

54. Regarding Timothy Snyder...

An assertion like that leaves me wanting some of the details that led to that conclusion. Maybe he has some serious information to which I'm not privy. Almost certainly, in fact.

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