Speaker Pelosi imposes stiff fines on metal detector scofflaws

[mcar]

Link to tweet

?s=20

After some Republicans balked at going through House metal detectors, Pelosi announces stiff fines.

“The fine for the first offense will be $5,000 and $10,000 for the second offense. The fines will be deducted directly from Members’ salaries by the Chief Administrative Officer”

[DinahMoeHum]

1. Didn't she do the same thing regarding masks?

n/t

[spooky3]

7. yes--different $ but the same idea. nt

[kirkuchiyo]

9. Not as high but yes. nt

[OAITW r.2.0]

13. Yes she did.

Love she's dinging their checks directly. Lets see how long this "insurrection" goes.

[Rebl2]

55. Only way

to go

[Eid Ma Clack Shaw]

2. Third offense?

I hope it keeps doubling every time. Some of the GOP imbeciles might find themselves working for free within a week.

[mcar]

11. You'd think they'd learn after 2, but yeah. Nt

[StarfishSaver]

19. I have a feeling there won't be any third offenses

[BadgerKid]

84. They get voted off the island.

[MerryBlooms]

3. R&K Thank you.

[spooky3]

4. Welcome to the new hierarchy of power, rethugs. nt

[servermsh]

5. OH YES BABY!

What did that crazy Schumer heckler say? Something about things being sexually exciting?

THIS is that.

[pwb]

6. good.

[madaboutharry]

8. Nancy is my hero.

That is the only way to deal with these immature people.

[mcar]

16. She is a strong leader

I'm in awe of her.

[NurseJackie]

95. Action, not "mean-girl" tweets. Not insults. Not feuds.

Nancy Pelosi means business.

WWND? Well... THIS is what Nancy would do!!!!

Nancy rocks!

[DinahMoeHum]

27. Well, she IS a mother and grandmother. . .

. . .who has experience dealing with bratty, recalcitrant children.

[littlemissmartypants]

37. And that's just in Congress.

❤ lmsp

[iluvtennis]

72. + agree. nt

[Cha]

10. Rt TY! OMg.. just what we were asking for

yesterday & here's Nancy!!

[mcar]

17. She is not messing around, Cha!

[Cha]

32. I like that

about her!

mcar!

[Frustratedlady]

12. Nancy isn't messing around. Good for her!

Let's see the Qanon Twins work around this!

Honeymoon's over, girls.

[lindysalsagal]

14. So proud of my speaker.

[StarfishSaver]

15. Y'all really need to stop tryin' Nancy. She's not playing

Link to tweet

[mcar]

22. All these Qrazies think they know better than the Speaker

[StarfishSaver]

25. Not just the Qrazies

Lots of Democrats think they do, too.

[mcar]

26. That's right

Does anyone really think another Democrat would be able to accomplish this as Speaker?

[StarfishSaver]

28. A lot of people who aren't even in politics think THEY could do it better than she does

Or at least they think they know what she should be doing and how she should do it.

[gab13by13]

107. I missed that.

Did she have trouble getting reelected? I must be naive, I thought Democrats were solidly behind her. There are other Democrats who people take shots at though.

[StarfishSaver]

109. I'm talking mostly about Democrats - many of them here - who consistently second-guess her

This board was full of it over the weekend - people demanding that she impeach immediately and refusing to understand that, not only do House rules not permit instantaneous impeachment, but there are other preparations and other considerations. But, as often happens, folk insisted that Pelosi either is inept (a term actually used), clueless, lacked courage or just didn't understand as well as we do how important this is.

[Wednesdays]

111. One can be registered to another party and still post on DU

Just sayin'.

[bluestarone]

18. How about IF they go through them BUT don't stop?

Because that is what these ASSHOLES will do!!

[Blue_true]

42. If the detector goes off and they don't stop, my guess is that can be considered

not going through the detector. They get photographed and shown the photo and the detector going off and the Capitol police officer asking them to stop, THEN they get told that a total of $5,000 is coming out of their next 3 paychecks.

[bluestarone]

47. I like the way you think!

I'm sure this will be all discussed before the finale vote on this rule!!

[lagomorph777]

99. That should be written into the rule.

[RVN VET71]

83. And have done already

But I think Ms Nancy will lower the boom on any fool trying to get around the security system, including the little lady from Colorado who tried to get her killed, Seriously, not only did she tweet Pelosi’s departure from the chambers -- meaning she was in motion in the building and may be vulnerable to terrorists -- she also refused to open her bag after the metal detectors were installed and detected a metal object inside. And, yes, she was the fool who said she’d bring a gun to work.

I think in addition to censure, Boebert is going to be getting a serious pay reduction. I hope she also gets a court date and a prison cell, but I’m greedy.

[Cha]

20. Go for it, Boebert, Greene, & other

various Assorted magat Assholes.

[SMC22307]

21. Good. The lack of respect being shown by these asshole Republicans...

is really ticking me off.

[mcar]

24. They come in brand new and think they own the place

Speaker showed them who's in charge.

[SMC22307]

65. I'm with Rep. Cori Bush on this...

did any of these assholes actually have jobs? (OK, she didn't use those exact words, but still!)

[bdamomma]

105. Rep Cori Bush

she's not playing we have some tough women in the Congress.

A lot of them, love them all. Porter, Warren, Harris, Jayapal, Pressley, AOC, Ilhan Omar and many more.

[SMC22307]

115. Yep. Impressed by and thankful for each one! (n/t)

[bdamomma]

104. it's pure arrogance

especially not wearing masks, and getting other congress members sick.

[SheltieLover]

23. Ty, Nancy!

[Mr.Bill]

29. I'm assuming that every one of them who refused to walk through it

was carrying a gun, and that's disturbing and needs to be addressed.

[onecaliberal]

43. Yes. I said the same thing earlier.

[bdamomma]

106. there's a stench

in the Capitol after the inside job of January 6th. There are accomplices walking around. This will have to be monitored.

[StarfishSaver]

30. Clarification: This new rule isn't in effect yet. It has to be voted on - should be next week.

[mcar]

36. Ah, didn't see that. Thanks.

[bucolic_frolic]

31. One thing about Republicans, they do understand money

Go Nancy!

[Roc2020]

33. where can I buy a portrait of Nany Pelosi?

put her right next to my Clint Eastwood.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

92. You can print your own from this document....

S. Prt. 116-8 - Congressional Pictorial Directory: 116th Congress

Go to: https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/GPO-PICTDIR-116/

Download the PDF (95mb) and go to page 9. It's her official Congressional photo.

Some nice Pelosi items here as well: https://store.pelosiforcongress.org/collections/

KY

[Roc2020]

100. Ty

[ToxMarz]

34. They're probably gonna have to install cash registers at the entrance

Some of those morons will blow through their entire salary pretty quick. It'll have to be pay as you go.

[mcar]

38. "Someone's got to go back for a shitload of dimes"

[Blue_true]

50. That was one of the great scenes in cinema.

And perfectly befits the MAGAT congresspeople.

[Dem2theMax]

51. Must have video to go with it! 🤣

[mcar]

101. Thanks!

[GulfCoast66]

67. LOL. Almost spit out bourbon!

[blueinredohio]

35. Good for her. Stick it to them Nancy.

[NoMoreRepugs]

39. Leadership on display. Madam Speaker rocks.

[Hekate]

40. I think Mme Speaker is completely, utterly, out of fcks to give. GO, NANCY!

[mcar]

102. Yep. No more coddling the crazies

[AllaN01Bear]

41. le ouch

[zaj]

44. This can't stand up in court.

I imagine she doesn't have the power to withhold pay. Right? No court would uphold this, right?

(not a lawyer, just a skeptic on this one)

[orangecrush]

48. Wanna bet?

[zaj]

53. No, but I'd love an explanation about why I'm wrong

[Tarc]

70. Article I, Section 5, clause 2

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.

Further reading;
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-i/clauses/760
http://constitutionallawreporter.com/article-01-section-05/

[orangecrush]

85. Majority speaker

Has the power to make and enforce floor rules.

[Blue_true]

54. The Courts have no say in House of Representatives rules.

Once the majority of House members approve the rule change, the people in violation of it are fucked.

[zaj]

56. Yeah, but...

Congress is also an employer, and this is suggested as a "withholding salary" rule. I don't see that being permitted. It's a pretty dictatorial power (in an employer sense).

I'm certain that there will be lawsuits on this.

From what I can find (not directly analogous), there is enourmous uncertainty on Congress' ability to use fines as punishment.

"Currently, Congress can achieve its endgame of fining federal officials through an indirect route of civil contempt or criminal contempt. In both cases, Congress would have to initiate a lawsuit (either civil or criminal), obtain a favorable order from a judge, and ultimately ask the judge to use the court’s contempt power to impose a fine on the contemnor. However, it is unclear whether Congress can instead issue the fines itself, without having to resort to the courts first. If Congress can issue a fine unilaterally, this power would be more in line with Congress’s inherent contempt power of arresting federal officials—the only avenue of enforcement that courts have so far recognized as not requiring judicial involvement. In both cases of arresting or fining a federal official under the inherent contempt power, Congress can exercise its power first and the action will be subject to review by the courts only after the fact. Therefore, as Schiff has noted, the possibility of fining federal officials under inherent contempt power ameliorates one significant problem with relying on courts to fine officials, namely, the arduous and time-consuming process of obtaining a judicial order.

The legal uncertainty surrounding Congress’s power in this area stems from the fact that Congress has never before tried to exert its contempt power by directly issuing fines. Therefore, the courts have never been asked before to judge the legality of such measures. Yet there is clear legal precedent that all but endorses such power. The Supreme Court has consistently analogized between the congressional contempt power and the judiciary’s contempt power. For example, in McGrain v. Daugherty (1927), the court was asked to review whether an unsworn committee report could form the basis for a warrant issued by a Senate investigation subcommittee; the court agreed that Congress had that power because the courts of law followed the same practice. In Jurney v. MacCracken (1935), the Supreme Court clearly stated that the power of Congress to punish for contempt is “governed by the same principles as the power of the judiciary to punish for contempt.” Similarly, in Kilbourn v. Thompson (1880)—concerning Congress’s impeachment powers, which follow the same quasi-judicial procedures as contempt proceedings—the Supreme Court stated that Congress should be able to conduct investigations “in the same manner and by the use of the same means that courts of justice can in like cases.” The court then, in dicta, stated that this would logically give Congress the power to punish by “fine or imprisonment,” the same options being available to courts (emphasis added)."

https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-congress-fine-federal-officials-under-its-contempt-power

[Blue_true]

63. If the Courts use the same tactic to punish rule breakers, then republicans don't

appear to have a friend in the Courts once they get fined. Courts are also employers.

[grantcart]

86. they are members not employees

There might be a possible law suit if they didn't apply the same standard to every member but if they apply it consistently then there would be no recourse.

[former9thward]

69. Anytime there is pay involved the courts have jurisdiction.

How many fines were collected on the mask rule?

[orangecrush]

45. That's the way, Nancy!

[PurgedVoter]

46. Is anyone else beginning to develop a serious crush on Nancy?

I'm just asking for a friend.

[orangecrush]

49. ...

[flibbitygiblets]

58. my spouse has serious hots for Nancy. (He's in his 40's.)

I mean, she's a master at what she does. And she's also smokin hot at any age!

[MustLoveBeagles]

52. K&R

[BobTheSubgenius]

59. Why should not conforming with the metal detector order be at all optional?

Do they say the same thing to TSA when they take their family on vacation?

[fescuerescue]

73. They actually are exempt from TSA

But not their families.

[Quackers]

77. That's actually kind of funny in an ironic way.

While flying in uniform for the Army, I’ve been made to go through and then do the extra body pat down and search.

[fescuerescue]

82. Pilots also aren't exempt

Pilots must be searched to make sure they don't have weapons which would allow them to take over the aircraft...

[caraher]

60. Can't they simply be ejected?

I'm sure the worst of them will just start a GoFundMe and the rubes will pony up...

[lunatica]

114. That's a different proceeding with it's own rules

The the entire body of representatives have to rule on both docking pay and on ejecting members of Congress as separate issues, so both can happen.

[caraher]

116. OK

In a just world only those who agree to abide by reasonable safety rules should be allowed to participate. I hope the miscreants back down or are shown the door.

[NHvet]

61. This day just keeps getting better

Glad the monies are coming directly out of their pay instead of having them cut a check from their campaign monies! Thank you madame speaker!

[MontanaMama]

62. Bang Bang Barbie...

Nancy is looking at you.

[Ferrets are Cool]

64. OUR SPEAKER!!

Speaks for ME!!

[Grokenstein]

66. Republicans didn't "balk" at going through

...they barged their way past the detectors and security staff with an air of "Out of my way, peasant, Important Person coming through!" (Insert boilerplate "imagine if nonwhites/liberals tried that shit" comparison here.)

This is "slippery slope" stuff but there is no other way to deal with these Republicans. They have proven their treacherousness, their willingness to be party to murder. The current crop must be treated as a clear and present danger until they are out of office and/or in prison.

[forkol]

68. One more thing that Nancy should do

Is to take the fines gathered by the scofflaws and make donations IN THE NAME OF the person to various social groups.

You don't wear a mask? Great, your fine is now a donation to medical groups that fight COVID.

You don't pass through a metal detector? Great, your fine is now a donation to groups that help support victims of school shootings.

[geardaddy]

71. Hell yeah!

WTG Madame Speaker!

[Rhiannon12866]

74. Twitter reply:

Link to tweet

[JudyM]

75. Schumer should be taking notes.

Wouldn’t it be great to hear her private convos with Biden on the issue of conciliation?

[Old Crow]

76. Not the first to say it, but: HELL YES! :) (N/T)

[lame54]

78. Extraction of money is the only the respect - they have no soul to shame

[Liberty Belle]

79. An assassin won't care about a fine,

since they know they'll be caught. It's like a suicide bomber mentality.

It needs to be a crime to bypass a metal detector, enforced against all, and an ethical violation with expulsion as a penalty, period.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

80. Our law and order Speaker!

TRUE law and order, applied to EVERYONE.

[Liberal In Texas]

81. Good, but I'd like to see enforcement of no screening no entry.

No matter who the f- it is.

[RussBLib]

87. Yes!

Thank you, Madame Speaker.

Did she also reiterate "no guns, idiot!"?

[calclar]

88. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

'bout time.
F'ing gun slingers need to be brought down a notch rather than them thinking they have the sole power of life and death in their own personal hands.

Perverted bunch of sub- humans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[C Moon]

89. I have a feeling Biden will be taking the same approach to the GOP.

No more Mr. Nice Guy from the Democratic Party.
Time to lead this country back to a powerful middle class!

[Cryptoad]

90. Still doesn't force them to go thru detectors.......

hows about some police that will enforce the rule ,,,,,,, u have to go thru teh detectors if u want admission ,,,period

[catrose]

93. Maybe have a cry room, like some churches.

Soundproof and, in our case, bulletproof room at the far back of the room with a huge window & speakers, so they can observe what is going on but not interrupt. And if there should be another attack, scofflaws go to a separate room, where they can't endanger others.

I'm beginning to like this idea.

[lamp_shade]

91. My big question is... will their guns be confiscated?

[duforsure]

94. She should also apply fines and charges to anyone who assaults the Capital police,

Like they've done as reported when they refused using the metal detector, and anyone carrying a firearm or weapon onto the floor can be arrested , and banned, and fined.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

96. All the scofflaws are white Republicons who expect white privilege. . . . nt

[Pepsidog]

97. As an attorney for 30 years and former prosecutor well known by local courts, everyday I have to

pass through metal detectors in municipal traffic court up to Supreme Court. It’s just a way of life, even current prosecutors must subject their person and briefcases to metal detectors and x-ray of brief cases. Congress should be no different, especially wacko Republicans.

[The Jungle 1]

98. I thought republicans respected rules and laws Guess that was a lie.

[bdamomma]

103. She is upping

the ante, good for her.


Paging Ms. Boebert.

[themaguffin]

108. this is great, BUT they still shouldn't fucking be able to enter.

[Harker]

112. Right. Fines aren't enough.

The days of having a reasonable expectation of honorable, lawful behavior from republican'ts is over.

Not all weapons are metal, either.

[twodogsbarking]

110. I would cooperate fully

to protect others, not unlike a mask.

[Hulk]

113. Construct a pen the round the idiots

A couple of these idiots are going to actually end up owing US money for their salaries...

[DBoon]

117. This deprives them of the public drama of an arrest

Having money silently taken from your pay does not provide the exposure they crave.

Good.

[COL Mustard]

118. Rep. Boobert, Are You Listening?

Salary, not office expenses.

[Marcuse]

119. Deny them access to the building until they comply. Fine every attempted act of noncompliance.