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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRudy Guiliani's misplaced phone call that's been exposed puts them in deep trouble,
He said he was the Presidents lawyer saying "WE" need you to obstruct election results. That's illegal, and if trump tries to pardon it away , he'll lose if its challenged. trump is involved with the crime, and he can't pardon anyone he's involved in crimes with to escape justice, and the Supreme Court will rule against his pardon because its actually to protect him criminality. Once again Rudy has screwed trump good. They will rule pardons weren't ever intended for use for self protection from criminal liability. He can't pardon himself, and this would do that.
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)If your lawyer conspires to commit a crime with you, it breaks lawyer client privilege.
A great lawyer like Rudy should know that.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And he'll under oath fall apart, then turn on trump.
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)Rudy calls tucking his shirt in.
I don't think he will knowingly turn on trump. He just can't help himself from spilling the beans.
Rudy, like trump have surrounded themselves with ass kissers and people who have no problem breaking the law. So much so that they believe what they are doing is perfectly fine. They have to brag so everyone else knows how smart they are.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And trump can't help but attack him now, and Rudy will turn on him if it'll help him escape charges or a longer sentence in a heartbeat. Rudy will clap back at his threats, and if cornered will talk.
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214921279
tblue37
(65,490 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Wednesdays
(17,439 posts)I wouldn't take Ghouliani on to defend me over a parking ticket!
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)what sort of brain-eating drugs Giuliani has been taking.
twodogsbarking
(9,834 posts)on Orange Kool-Aid.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,474 posts)cab67
(3,010 posts)bonniebgood
(943 posts)deadly combination. what could go wrong?
sop
(10,274 posts)Add this to his humiliating hair-dye spectacle and the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference fuck up.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)in the aforementioned butt-dial, he told (someone he thought was Tubbyvillian) to object to counting every state, "when you reconvene around 8pm tonight". Whoever received this message was still in lockdown, or very close to that timeline.
This is not going to end well for these criminals.
Lonestarblue
(10,095 posts)would not be supported in the courts? I really, really do not want to see them walk free.
cab67
(3,010 posts)If he pardons them, he tacitly acknowledges that they were wrong to storm the capitol. It will also all but guarantee his conviction in the Senate when the time comes for that. That being said, he'd alienate a bunch of his base if he doesn't pardon them. Rock meets hard place.
And even if he did, most of those already arrested have been charged with relatively minor crimes - not because they didn't do anything serious, but because it was easier and faster to get arrest warrants that way. Charges can be added as the investigation continues, presumably after he's out of office. And anyone arrested after the 20th is SOL.
DemoTex
(25,405 posts)Some of Trumps pardons, to date, reek of conspiracy to obstruct justice. And any pardons with respect to his perpetration of election fraud and the Capitol sedition will, most certainly, be conspiracy to obstruct justice.
TheRickles
(2,089 posts)He's already pardoned people whose crimes were committed in his behalf, so pardoning Rudy would seem to be just more of the same.
jcgoldie
(11,652 posts)All 10 Republicans in the House who voted for impeachment stressed what Trump was doing during the hours while the riot was going on more so than his words inciting violence. They justified their vote based on dereliction of duty. This horrible thing was going on threatening our democracy at the capitol and he was sitting on his hands across town and perhaps deliberately obstructing calls for military help. This provides a bit of a blueprint I think for how to get GOP votes in the senate. The call while they were hiding in the tunnels from the mob speaks to what the President was doing and what his focus was on DURING the riots. It certainly wasn't on defusing the situation it was still on obstructing the vote.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)Some arrests at the Capitol, mostly on misdemeanor charges. The current administration will not allow the law to be followed. I don't know if it is in Biden's weal house to go after this law breaking, we shall see.