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Thu Jan 14, 2021, 10:52 AM

I still can't get over the fact that Trump literally tried to overturn the election after he lost

I still can't get over the fact that he literally tried to overturn the election after he lost and so many of his party went along with him. What did they think would have happened if they succeeded? Did they really think things would go on as if nothing happened?

The markets would tank as capital fled. There would be general strikes. Commerce would be ----ed. Free nations would withdraw their ambassadors at the request/demand of their voters. There would be riots everywhere. It wouldn't be civil war. It would be anarchy. If our military couldn't pacify Iraq or Afghanistan it's not going to be able to pacify America which has eight times as many people.

If you think about it it would have made Mexico and Canada great.

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Reply I still can't get over the fact that Trump literally tried to overturn the election after he lost (Original post)
DemocratSinceBirth Jan 14 OP
Walleye Jan 14 #1
woodsprite Jan 14 #2
MyOwnPeace Jan 14 #3
onetexan Jan 14 #4
underpants Jan 14 #5
Paladin Jan 14 #6
Yonnie3 Jan 14 #7
Cracklin Charlie Jan 14 #8
NJCher Jan 14 #9
Tom Rinaldo Jan 14 #10
DemocratSinceBirth Jan 14 #12
Tom Rinaldo Jan 14 #21
DemocratSinceBirth Jan 14 #23
unblock Jan 14 #11
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 14 #17
DemocratSinceBirth Jan 14 #19
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 14 #26
DemocratSinceBirth Jan 14 #27
Arkansas Granny Jan 14 #13
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 14 #18
CTyankee Jan 14 #28
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 14 #29
CTyankee Jan 14 #31
NQCowboy68 Jan 14 #14
dmkinsey Jan 14 #15
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FreepFryer Jan 14 #20
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David__77 Jan 14 #25
CTyankee Jan 14 #30
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 10:53 AM

1. It was such a wildly incredible plot that even after it happened nobody can believe it

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 10:53 AM

2. Sounds like just the entree that Putin ordered. nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 10:54 AM

3. "What did they think would have happened".......

Here's your key word - THINK!

NO indication of THAT ever happening with that gang.....

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 10:55 AM

4. Shocked at the lengths he's gone thru but not surprised

He is sociopathic as his niece has said, & combined w the meganarcisstic personality it is a combo for destruction. Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 10:56 AM

5. It's a great point that the media jumps directly over

because THEY claim that we are overturning an election or at least Biden himself. By himself basically.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 10:56 AM

6. We underestimated just how genuinely evil trump is.

We've gotten off easy.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 10:58 AM

7. Fixated on his loss

No longer term "thoughts" in his mind. Fix the loss and/or get vengeance.

A five year old on the playground.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:00 AM

8. There's so many things I can't get over.

I can’t believe they thought any of the insurrection caper would work.

Another thing I can’t get over: he travels around with a woman who is pretending to be his wife, but she’s not his wife. He holds her hand, hugs and kisses her, and introduces her as the First Lady. So, so weird.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:00 AM

9. I say this every day

I still can't get over the fact that he literally tried to overturn the election after he lost and so many of his party went along with him. What did they think would have happened if they succeeded? Did they really think things would go on as if nothing happened?


Sometimes several times a day.

I'd add this: some of the military might go along with it, but most wouldn't. What would happen then? Military units fighting against each other?

Sheer craziness.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:00 AM

10. It's almost as surpising that major segments of "the business community" went along

for as long as they did in supporting Trump and contributing to him. Yes I know they got some huge payoffs for doing so, but they were always playing with matches inan oil refinery. At whatever point Trump "went off" he was going to implode the nation and, materially, they had the most to lose when it happened . The handwriting was emblazoned on the wall how Trump would have ruled had he actually remained in office for another four years. Domestic stability favors the haves more than it does the have nots.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:03 AM

12. So much of our economy is knowledge based

So much of our economy is knowledge based. How hard would it be for a Microsoft or a Google to move their headquarters to Toronto?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:22 AM

21. Very true

For the information sector, it is easy to hedge their bets.

For a long time I have believed that many in corporate America are presuming America's decline and have therefor been looting the store as a preface to leaving town. But even they should know that a sudden collapse in America's stability, rather than just a steady slow decline, would shake the foundations of the world economy, undermining even seemingly safe havens.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:29 AM

23. On right wing sites they envisioned left wing riots

As if that was the level of sophistication on the left. There would be general strikes with unions like the Teamsters, the American Federation of Teachers, the National Education Association, and AFCSME telling their people to stay home. America would lose its babysitters for starters. There would be enormous pressure on major corporations to move their headquarters to Canada. Even what's left of the Big Three automakers could be moved to Mexico or Canada.

The reason Venezuela and Cuba went sideways is because that those could leave did

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:01 AM

11. Clearly he believes 'tis better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.

He never cared about America or Americans. He wants to be top dog and stay top dog and if he has to burn it to the ground to make that happen that wouldn't bother him in the least.

What's really staggering is that he thought this would work. Now, it's conceivable that the mob might have stolen or destroyed some of the electoral vote certificates. Maybe it's even conceivable that they might have gotten the house, under threat of further violence, to declare Donnie the winner. But then what? Did Donnie really think the majority, that voted for Biden, would stand for that?

There's a lot of fog of war leading up to an election and during the election itself. That's when an election can be stolen. But afterwards, after everyone declared you the loser?

As Biden would say, "c'mon, man!"

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Response to unblock (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:09 AM

17. I can't even imagine how they thought that it would work

I am thankful that the system held. But then again, it wasn't even close enough for the Republicans to stop/steal like in 2000 (and that outcome wasn't ever fully accepted by a lot of people even though Bush ultimately took office).

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:18 AM

19. The biggest problem is that capital would flee.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:34 PM

26. Businesses can and do operate under dictatorships (i.e. China)

and for some I imagine they'd prefer one here. But the chaos created by going completely fascist in a country with a mostly strong and stable history of democracy would probably scare a lot of businesses off. And a lot of businesses are pulling their money- at least temporarily- from the GOP because of what happened last week.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:43 PM

27. The thing that holds this whole edifice together.

The thing that holds this whole edifice together is that people believe they are free and have agency even though they are a lot less free and have a lot less agency than they believe they have. Remove that illusion and things go sideways quickly.

On a more mundane level folks that work at companies like google, Intel, and Microsoft aren't going to hang around in a nation where Jethro and Billy Bob are calling the shots.

A hillbilly dictatorship would make Canada great.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:04 AM

13. I can't get over the fact that so many elected officials were willing to help him.

They all need to be voted out when they come up for re-election.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:10 AM

18. We need a deep cleaning in this country

after the past four years.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:53 PM

28. How do you cleanse away the stark racism that exists in our country today.

I wish I could say that Obama made so many good strides to make this country less racist, but I get depressed when I see all of it flooding back. God save us.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:54 PM

29. I obviously don't have any answers and not saying there are any easy answers to be sure

We just have to keep working at it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:57 PM

31. I find comfort in my adult children and their children who are being raised in a righteous

way, all of them. I am so glad.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:07 AM

14. I keep thinking about who would be the original architect of this idea.

Is it Stone, Manafort, Flynn, Kushner, Miller. Someone had to have hatched this idea and then put the wheels in motion to plan and organize.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:08 AM

15. I'd say that he thought that he'd be the absolute ruler, dictator of USA

for the rest of his life.
If the economy is a shambles and civil war breaks out like Syria he would not care.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:09 AM

16. He should be slapped in irons, arrested and thrown in Leavenworth for his trial for treason

Guilty of treason, the traitor can choose his beloved firing squad over hanging if he wants, I will let him choose that

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:20 AM

20. Cui Bono, Tovarisch? (Nt)

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:29 AM

22. There's always been a strong isolationalist streak in the US

and Trump succeeding in his plans to make himself president-for-life plays into that, IMHO. He and his supporters did not think through the ramifications: one-time allies would refuse to recognize the regime, and realize that they can do just as well for their people without the US throwing its weight around. We'd see restrictions on imports from the US, and travelers from the US. China and the EU would be the dominant players, trying to see who can sway African nations to their sides. Putin would be very happy seeing the US diminished.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 11:54 AM

24. He always said there would not be a transition. There would be a continuation...


The president had been asked by a reporter if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power, “win, lose or draw.”

When the reporter noted that “people are rioting,” Trump replied: “Get rid of the ballots, and you’ll have a very — you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there’ll be a continuation.”


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/23/trump-wont-commit-to-peaceful-transfer-of-power-if-he-loses-the-election.html

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:11 PM

25. I find it shocking that there wasn't more opposition to him during campaign.

Like the National Association of Manufacturers has now opposed Trump- and not before the election to my knowledge. A second term would have devastated the system.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

30. Yeah, they just realized Trumpism is bad for business, not got any more virtuous...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:07 PM

32. Especially with Repubs being the party of big business.

Widespread instability and an illegitate gov't (which would've been if Trump subverted the EC) is terrible for business, which relies on stability and people just going about their lives.

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