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stopdiggin

(11,230 posts)
1. I wouldn't say framing it in those tems is inaccurate
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:36 AM
Jan 2021

But regardless how true the statement -- is there another 16-17 Republican votes out there?

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
5. There Is If Turtle Announces He's Voting To Convict
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:43 AM
Jan 2021

He can also get enough to stay home that they can reach the 2/3rds with less than 17 repub votes.

stopdiggin

(11,230 posts)
6. I was just going back to add
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:48 AM
Jan 2021

that I think the days of McConnell having that kind of political capital -- are well behind us (and him). Now preservation of the party itself ...? Maybe. But I wouldn't give odds on it at this point.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
2. There is nothing moderate about McConnell. He enabled Trump
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:38 AM
Jan 2021

and only now considering voting guilty becsuse he blames Trump for losing the Georgia Senate seats which lost him the majority leader position .

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
3. I do not know if it will be that easy.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:39 AM
Jan 2021

A lot of GOP now hate pence. I know your are talking about the moderate GOP but until just lately pence has been playing in the trump GOP. I do not know how well he will be able to get the moderate GOP to trust him to not go fanaticle again.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
4. Over 70 million voted for the Big Con...
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:41 AM
Jan 2021

And McConnell ass hinges on Kentucky voters who love the Big Con....Moscow Mitch will say that he knows the con is guilty in public, but behind those doors, he is telling his senators to vote against convicting...IMHO...

It all depends on how many senators care more about America than there fucked up party...

SunSeeker

(51,497 posts)
7. The GOP can walk away from Trump, but not Trumpism.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:50 AM
Jan 2021

The Trumpistas are the GOP base. Even after the insurrection, Trump enjoyed a 75% approval rating among Republicans.

Thekaspervote

(32,682 posts)
8. JMHO...follow the timeline..turtle has no intention of voting to convict
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 05:19 AM
Jan 2021

Dotard incites terrorists on 1/6
Dems move to impeach him
Turtle says he thinks it’s a good thing and will bring a vote, and may himself vote to convict. This would imply b4 the inauguration
Dotard puts out a video with a lame but sufficient back down
Next day turtle is mum
Following day turtle says he isn’t going to call the senate back and says he will have to hear the evidence b4 deciding whether to convict

Turtle’s first statement put dotard in the exact place he wanted him. Next day, comes turtle’s weaker statement, doesn’t completely withdraw the threat but rather keeps him in check.

Turtle wants him quiet for the remaining time so as not to further damage republican senators. Bottom line, turtle is protecting himself, he wants to be back in power come 2022 and needs every gop senator there.

To me, very predictable

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
9. Remember trump recently stopped the IG investigation of Mitch and his wife,
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 05:46 AM
Jan 2021

Plus Mitch is very likely compromised by trump and putin . I think Mitch has no intentions of pushing for trump's conviction, and the piece in the NY Times was planted to make people think he would, knowing he wouldn't. Now he's saying not until he's heard the evidence. I'll believe it when I see it, and I think he's playing us now.

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