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kpete

(72,902 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:05 PM Jan 2021

He is going to kill us all.

They will lie to the very end, even if it costs you your life. Such a fitting summation of the Trump administration’s incompetence, grift & failure.



WaPo: When HHS Sec. Azar said this week that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans.



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He is going to kill us all. (Original Post) kpete Jan 2021 OP
In 20 years will anyone even admit to voting for Trump even once exboyfil Jan 2021 #1
There are pictures of some liberal N proud Jan 2021 #4
Kind of like seeing a picture of grandad at a lynching exboyfil Jan 2021 #10
Aaron Burr - that's a great analogy FakeNoose Jan 2021 #51
they don't need to; we know who they are and will never forget AlexSFCA Jan 2021 #34
Shortly before Biden threw his hat in the ring......... KS Toronado Jan 2021 #36
How great would it be to drink their $300 in front of them? BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #52
If I see any of the money, I'll buy their drinks and we'll talk about how Fox brainwashes people. KS Toronado Jan 2021 #53
After Hitler was defeated, suddenly no one had ever been a Nazi... Hekate Jan 2021 #44
the song "I was not a Nazi polka" Grasswire2 Jan 2021 #56
The Chad Mitchell Trio along with The Limelighters were some very bright boys, weren't they? Hekate Jan 2021 #57
They released the first doses knowing full well no second doses existed? Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #2
They are not worthless Meowmee Jan 2021 #5
Partial immunity probably won't get us back to normal. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #6
The danger being infections occurring in the presence of antibodies. Hugin Jan 2021 #9
That is truly chilling information WhiteTara Jan 2021 #15
There were several articles discussing the issue leading up to the announcement of the release... Hugin Jan 2021 #17
So, to get the vaccine now WhiteTara Jan 2021 #21
Internet medical advice... Hugin Jan 2021 #26
That sounds pretty sound, Hugin WhiteTara Jan 2021 #48
"I'd rather self isolate than ventilate." Hugin Jan 2021 #49
Feel free to use it. I just made it up. WhiteTara Jan 2021 #50
Right, death rates would be even higher. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #18
So worse than nothing. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #16
Maybe. Hugin Jan 2021 #20
I'm not going anywhere again for months WhiteTara Jan 2021 #23
I'm right here with you, WT. Hugin Jan 2021 #27
I am going to keep wearing my mask for some time. Even after vaccine. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #24
Good plan. Until someone sounds the All's Clear. Hugin Jan 2021 #28
Until I see that people are no longer dying. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #29
That'll work. Hugin Jan 2021 #30
No, not true Joelteply Jan 2021 #58
There are several studies out in the last few weeks disputing this... Hugin Jan 2021 #59
No, they will not be effective that way obamanut2012 Jan 2021 #11
No but it is better than nothing Meowmee Jan 2021 #12
Not worthless at all Disaffected Jan 2021 #19
most likely CryptoGod Jan 2021 #3
Keep wearing those damn masks, everyone. Hugin Jan 2021 #7
And where did those reserves go exactly? ananda Jan 2021 #8
I think that is the likely answer. The reserves were there, but Jared made sure Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #22
You read my mind. ananda Jan 2021 #32
You both read my mind. crickets Jan 2021 #41
I fear we have not even scratched the surface. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #55
My daughter got both doses exboyfil Jan 2021 #13
This is all so confusing russiamommy Jan 2021 #14
Great information. Thank You! Tommymac Jan 2021 #33
I think they're doing themselves in C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #25
5 More days of this BS until we start getting some truth from qualified leaders IronLionZion Jan 2021 #31
If it's any consolation, luvtheGWN Jan 2021 #35
Democrats have been cleaning up Rethuglican messes since 1933. OMGWTF Jan 2021 #37
Operation Warp Speed occupant Jan 2021 #38
It is a cult of pathological lying. madaboutharry Jan 2021 #39
ANYTHING said by anyone in this administration should be considered a lie until proven otherwise. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #40
Lies, lies, lies. I'm so sick of lies. BarbD Jan 2021 #45
Lie-Lappers lap lies. President "I Like 'Em Dumb" says so. czarjak Jan 2021 #42
Has anyone checked Jared freezer? MagickMuffin Jan 2021 #43
Nieghbor right down the road has his trump flag out. Woodwizard Jan 2021 #46
I said this at the start of this rotten regime peggysue2 Jan 2021 #47
Hillary Clinton Deserves More Credit erpowers Jan 2021 #54

liberal N proud

(61,194 posts)
4. There are pictures of some
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:12 PM
Jan 2021

Boats with huge trump flags
Coal rolling trucks with huge trump flags
Terrorist invading the capitol with huge trump flags

Some will be branded for life with that stigma.

We just need to reflect their hate back at themselves

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
10. Kind of like seeing a picture of grandad at a lynching
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:18 PM
Jan 2021

I mean what Trump pulled is Aaron Burr level stuff, and he at least had some good traits. I am trying to find another analogy.

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
51. Aaron Burr - that's a great analogy
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:32 PM
Jan 2021

It never occurred to me until I read this in your comment. The only difference is that Burr was a somewhat likable guy, he had a few worthwhile abilities. Chump is a total loss, and a malignant narcissist to boot.

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
36. Shortly before Biden threw his hat in the ring.........
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:32 PM
Jan 2021

I told the R's gathered at our local VFW "In 10 years we'll be unable to find anyone admit they voted for trump."
Of course they argued with me which lead 3 of them placing $100 bets with me trump was gonna win reelection.
I'm in the same boat as Forrest Gump with his "million dollar wound"

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
52. How great would it be to drink their $300 in front of them?
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:37 PM
Jan 2021

Man, those would be some tasty beverages.

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
53. If I see any of the money, I'll buy their drinks and we'll talk about how Fox brainwashes people.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:58 PM
Jan 2021

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
44. After Hitler was defeated, suddenly no one had ever been a Nazi...
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:58 PM
Jan 2021

After Nixon resigned, the number of people who admitted to ever having voted for him likewise plummeted.

It’s up to us to remember.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
57. The Chad Mitchell Trio along with The Limelighters were some very bright boys, weren't they?
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:35 PM
Jan 2021

Very funny, very well-informed, smart as a whip. I don’t think they make them like that any more.

Thanks for digging this up.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
2. They released the first doses knowing full well no second doses existed?
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:08 PM
Jan 2021

So the first doses are essentially worthless?

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
5. They are not worthless
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:13 PM
Jan 2021

You will still have some immunity from one dose but not the full immunity.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
6. Partial immunity probably won't get us back to normal.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:15 PM
Jan 2021

I wonder if the first and second dose can be space further apart?

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
9. The danger being infections occurring in the presence of antibodies.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:18 PM
Jan 2021

Could result in an antibody resistant variant of the COVID virus.

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
15. That is truly chilling information
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jan 2021

we could vaccinate our way to a more deadly virus.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
17. There were several articles discussing the issue leading up to the announcement of the release...
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:30 PM
Jan 2021

of the reserves as single dose vaccinations.

But, now... Well, it turns out there are no reserves. So, moot. He's going to kill us all.

:shrugies:

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
21. So, to get the vaccine now
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jan 2021

and trust a second dose is coming soon? Or sit home and wait for the stocks to build up for the necessary second dose.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
26. Internet medical advice...
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:43 PM
Jan 2021

But, since we're once again under Trump YOYO.

I plan on getting the single dose of vaccine (because, it will confer some immunity), if I get the chance and continue to wear a damn mask and follow the guidelines and get a second dose when it's available to me. Ultimately, I will continue to follow the guidelines until some national authority sounds the All's Clear.

How's that sound? Like a plan?

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
48. That sounds pretty sound, Hugin
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:20 PM
Jan 2021

I think the main thing is to self isolate. I am signed up for the Pfizer vaccine here and have been told that it will be in March. A full year inside my home and no end in sight. But I'd rather self isolate than ventilate.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
49. "I'd rather self isolate than ventilate."
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:23 PM
Jan 2021

I'm sorry. That made me smile. These are hard times when a bit of wisdom in a saying can do that.

Likewise, I assure you.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
18. Right, death rates would be even higher.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jan 2021

And they did this knowing what the outcome would be.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
20. Maybe.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jan 2021

It's kind of moot now that there are no reserves to use as single dose vaccine.

Nice knowing you.

Wear that damn mask! Please.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
24. I am going to keep wearing my mask for some time. Even after vaccine.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jan 2021

If I ever get one.

Joelteply

(38 posts)
58. No, not true
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:32 PM
Jan 2021

It could result in poor immunity but not resistant strains at least from what we understand about this type of vaccine. It’s not like antibiotics.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
59. There are several studies out in the last few weeks disputing this...
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 12:08 AM
Jan 2021

So, at this point I don't think it's settled science.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
12. No but it is better than nothing
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:20 PM
Jan 2021

If it prevents severe cases and in some cases more spread. It is possible, we don’t have the data yet to prove it. I have been told by rescue groups that even one rabies vacc for an outdoor cat can give them many years of immunity. Of course it is a different virus and vaccine.

Disaffected

(6,403 posts)
19. Not worthless at all
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:32 PM
Jan 2021

although the idea is controversial. Anyhow, that's what's being done is several Canadian provinces. The second doses will be given as more supplies become available. Meanwhile, twice as many folks receive at least partial immunization which is very important considering how drastic the situation has become in some locals.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
7. Keep wearing those damn masks, everyone.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:16 PM
Jan 2021

Follow all of the guidelines to the best of your ability.

Once some competent leadership is in place we will see progress. It will take time, though. I want you around to see it.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
22. I think that is the likely answer. The reserves were there, but Jared made sure
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jan 2021

they were sold and money went to an offshore bank account.
Black market vaccines at least $25,000 a shot.

crickets

(26,168 posts)
41. You both read my mind.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:54 PM
Jan 2021

Four more days. Just four more days.

The trouble is, once they're gone, even more little surprises like this are going to surface for some time to come. Oy.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
13. My daughter got both doses
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:20 PM
Jan 2021

She is a nurse. The second one laid her out for day and a half. I definitely feel relieved since she still mostly lives at home (she has a perfectly good condo three blocks from us but whatever). My older daughter wears a mask around us all the time and she keeps her distance.

russiamommy

(276 posts)
14. This is all so confusing
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jan 2021

I believe what they meant was that the CDC has changed its guidance to allow the states to use all the doses distributed, as opposed to telling them to reserve enough for second doses. But the new guidance will not be effective until after Biden takes office. This is also Biden’s plan. I don’t believe the Federal government or the manufacturers are physically holding reserves, but I may be wrong. The real issue is the distribution in the states - due largely to not having a national plan and failing to fund the implementation plans. It all needs to be fixed. This link gives the numbers. They need to start by getting the millions of doses that are sitting on shelves in capitals distributed.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html

C_U_L8R

(49,384 posts)
25. I think they're doing themselves in
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:43 PM
Jan 2021

I've always had a feeling that these crooks would go down in flames. Like red wine and blue Ceaușescu's.

IronLionZion

(51,268 posts)
31. 5 More days of this BS until we start getting some truth from qualified leaders
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:10 PM
Jan 2021

I don't envy the Biden administration for the enormous mess they have to fix. It's going to be a while.

So I would keep wearing a mask around people long after others claim the pandemic is over because they got a half dose of the vaccine or whatever.

luvtheGWN

(1,343 posts)
35. If it's any consolation,
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:23 PM
Jan 2021

just remember the huge financial mess Obama and his cabinet inherited.

Trust the Democrats to save the USA from ruin. (And trust the GOP to mess it up again).

 

occupant

(166 posts)
38. Operation Warp Speed
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:36 PM
Jan 2021

I wish they would take that Operation Warp Speed slogan and shove it up tRumps ass! Just more smoke and mirrors, obfuscating reality.If I hear that term one more time Imma gonna scream!

NoMoreRepugs

(12,076 posts)
40. ANYTHING said by anyone in this administration should be considered a lie until proven otherwise.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:51 PM
Jan 2021

That's been the case since day 1.

Woodwizard

(1,322 posts)
46. Nieghbor right down the road has his trump flag out.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:05 PM
Jan 2021

Another neighbor that borrows tools from me is a trumper he posted on facebook they should have burned Pelosi's desk. I told him he just crossed a line, no more favors from me. These people are Idiots and think what was done is justifiable.

I will not be forgetting any of it.

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
47. I said this at the start of this rotten regime
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:09 PM
Jan 2021
Trump's going to get us all dead.

The grammar may be questionable but frankly it fits the subject.

Trump's pre-election shtick was all anyone needed to understand how opportunistic and shallow the man was/is. And for those still making excuses for Trump and his incompetent, malicious enablers, January 6th was the end of the line for rational players.

Is it any wonder Trump and his 'best' people screwed up the Covid response and now the vaccine distribution? They lied. They schemed. They lied again and again and again.

Because. They. Don't. Care.

Nothing moves them beyond their own power and financial well-being.

They are the enemy within. Time to treat them accordingly!

erpowers

(9,445 posts)
54. Hillary Clinton Deserves More Credit
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 03:13 PM
Jan 2021

Just about everything, if not everything, she said about Trump and his supporters has been proven accurate.

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