Frank Figliuzzi on MSNBC just now: worried about a permanent, violent civil war

[TomDaisy]

that these semi-organized cells of trumpers will try to commit ongoing acts of terrorism against soft targets for years

including bombings, etc.

Then we have a civil war that will be very very difficult to stop.

[cilla4progress]

1. I have been concerned about this,

too. I like Figliuzzi. Will try to catch it.

Does he propose a solution? Or at least a plan?

[StarfishSaver]

2. We were warned. This should have been nipped in the bud years ago

It will be defeated. But it's going to be so much harder than if we had shut it down much earlier.

[TomDaisy]

37. but the media played along with him. take him seriously --- but not literally!

there must be a reckoning in the media. they must be more accountable for soft-peddling this and enabling it.

I think it has to do with not letting a bunch of billionaire white guys run everything.

[Chainfire]

3. These "heroes" may sing a different tune when they learn that we are not all sheeple

will not be bullied, and will fight back.

[TomDaisy]

38. do we all need to have guns for self protection? I really don't know.

[Chainfire]

45. Having a gun without training is worse than useless, it is dangerous.

An awful lot of people have bought guns this year, many of them probably shouldn't have.

Most people do not need guns. Some do....I live in a very secluded place in a high crime rate county with minimal law enforcement, so I do need a gun in the house. I was trained in the military, and I have had further training over the years. In the past 20 years, two people have been murdered within 1000' of my property, one of the killers was a neighbor. (both were drug deals gone belly-up) When I lived in suburban neighborhoods in more upscale places, where cops were minutes away, I never felt the need to be armed.

Why don't I move instead? I can live most anywhere I would like. I live on property that has been in the family for over 100 years and I am not going anywhere until I leave toes up. My son is now buying some of the property from me, so the family plans to stay a while.

[Gore1FL]

46. hope not.

Because I won't.

[intrepidity]

4. I agree

This is how I see the future as well.

Barring some major, unforeseen event, like WW3, or an alien invasion.

[unblock]

5. Oh so in the *future* they might shoot up schools or blow up federal buildings?

[sop]

8. Maybe even shoot up synagogues or mail pipe bombs to elected leaders.

[MineralMan]

6. Hmm...If they bring that to my street, they'll be in for a surprise

from my neighbors and me. Yes, indeed.

I'm 75 years old and out of shits to give.

[Wednesdays]

23. The National Guard will be way ahead of you.

And they won't be messing around.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

31. If you're in a gated, guarded community, armed guard 24x7, you're probably ok.

Except when you go to a church, theater, school, restaurant, or some other soft target.

No matter, odds are huge that you'll see it on the news, not on your street.

[MineralMan]

32. Gated community?

I live in a very diverse urban neighborhood in a small house built in 1954. WTAF?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

33. Sounds a bit like my neighborhood. So what would be a reasonable defense plan ...

... against a small convoy of pickup trucks full of Trumpists raising hell and throwing stuff? Something that doesn't involve felonies, preferably.

[Lars39]

7. They train, the US government drones.

[WheelWalker]

9. An insurgency.

[AntiFascist]

10. It took a number of years...

but at least now the public realizes that domestic terrorism is more than just a conspiracy theory. Remember when it always used to be blamed on "lone wolves"?

[qazplm135]

11. oh I think that's inevitable

that kind of crazy doesn't just concede and go away. It goes underground, seethes, rages, and then explodes.

This is going to be with us a long time. We never properly dealt with the first Civil War, so until we do, it's never really going to fully end.

At least not until enough old white people die off to be honest.

[spooky3]

18. I know more than a few young people who share their views.

And, look at the numbers of young people who voted for Trump.

It is not going to cycle out on its own.

[Turin_C3PO]

24. Pretty large majority

of Millenials and Gen Z voted Biden. Trump's approval among people under 35 is pretty low.

[spooky3]

26. Yes, but that still leaves MILLIONS who supported him.

It’s just not going to age out.

[Turin_C3PO]

28. True.

[qazplm135]

40. there's a big difference

between 70+ million, and millions.

So yeah, it will age out. No one said every last crazy is going away, but if you whittle it down to a few million out of 350+ or more that we will hit in 20 years or so? Then you are just fine.

[spooky3]

29. "Young White men favored Trump."

It’s just not going to age out.

On edit

“Young white men favored Trump.”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/11/05/analysis-sheds-first-light-youth-voting-trends

[TheRealNorth]

39. White girls can fight if needed

And they may need to if the incels try to take over.

[qazplm135]

42. by only a 6 point margin

it was greater in 2016, and white men over 65 voted in a greater margin to Trump.

Plus, white people are going to be a smaller and smaller share of the electorate each and every election going forward.

So yeah, it will age out. It won't go away 100 percent. There are probably still some Whigs out there floating around. But 20-40 years from now, with each successive younger generation being a little more liberal, with racial, sexual and gender equality being a little more progressed, then yeah, this stuff will die out.

But it takes time, and it takes education, and it takes consistent voting.

[spooky3]

43. Sorry, I wish you were right, but the numbers do not support what

You’re claiming.

[qazplm135]

48. What numbers?

The only numbers you've shown is a tiny difference among young white men of 6 pts when he won white men in total by 23 points.

Which means he won older white men by a lot more than younger white men. 4 times as much, in fact.

[Faux pas]

12. Me too

I think they're embedded DEEP.

[Demsrule86]

13. Bull these folks will go to jail...not worried.

[Renew Deal]

14. I don't think most of them are committed enough for that.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. Like the Troubles in Northern Ireland during the '70s and '80s, maybe?

[Turin_C3PO]

21. That's what I think we may face, worst case scenario.

[tinrobot]

16. Is it really a civil war?

Random fringe wackos blowing stuff up does not constitute a "civil war"

Let's not give them the honor of that label. They're terrorists, that's it.

[spooky3]

17. This is why we MUST prosecute and hold them accountable NOW.

Including Trump.

[lagomorph777]

19. Germany (with outside help) cleaned up the bulk of their Nazis postwar.

We can do this.

[Turin_C3PO]

20. I could picture it

like the Troubles in Northern Ireland. But I'm hoping not. Best case scenario is that FBI and DOJ treat this as a new war on terror and the less extreme Trumpers will go back under their rocks.

[Quixote1818]

22. This will further hurt Trump and divide the GOP. nt

[Thekaspervote]

41. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[struggle4progress]

25. I'm not worrying. I'm sure we'll muddle through somehow

[safeinOhio]

27. We could stop their ability when we

cut off their disability checks.

[roamer65]

30. Yugoslavia times 20.

That is what it will be like if it happens.

Political and ethnic “cleansing”.

[Eid Ma Clack Shaw]

34. It might be that the GOP has to be effectively outlawed

I don’t see another realistic option - if - its followers go down a terrorist route while being backed (even tacitly) by the political arm. At that point, the state department should designate the party accordingly and treat it like any other terror group.

[hadEnuf]

35. Treat them like the terrorists that they are.

If they resort to terrorist acts then treat them like we would any other foreign terrorist group trying to destroy America. Neutralize the threat.

[stillcool]

36. I would think we're already there...

and have been for a while. Although, I guess it's just for some people, it never ended. If someone could announce when we arrive at the 'new normal' it would help in adjusting my sails accordingly.

[avebury]

44. I was talking to a friend yesterday that is so upset by

what is going on that she doesn't want to talk about it. She is the type of person that is into both sides do it mentality and I could never get through it with her. One of her son has gone way over the cliff on Trump and Covid too.

Anybody who has paid attention the last 4 years is not surprised by what is going but some people were too busy sticking their heads in the sand and now have pikachu surprise faces.

[SmartVoter22]

47. a civil war? fat chance

You think a civil war can happen ( snaps fingers) just like that?

There is a better chance of gangs of beer swilling unicorns coming to murder our lawn mowers than a civil war starting.

[Hortensis]

49. Civil war or chronic civil disturbances for a while?

War is a real thing, and I'm surprised he threw the term around carelessly. It's well within our abilities to smash any large insurgent groups, possibly leaving individuals and small groups acting alone.