Charlie Sykes - Calling this right now: secession is the next big MAGA play.

[Nevilledog]

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Charlie Sykes
@SykesCharlie
Calling this right now: secession is the next big MAGA play.

Don’t think they are that crazy? Then you haven’t been paying attention.

Mike Brest
@MikeBrestDC
Wyoming GOP Chair floats secession following @Liz_Cheney's vote to impeach Trump.

"Many of these Western states have the ability to be self-reliant, and we’re keeping eyes on Texas too and their consideration of possible secession," he said.

@dcexaminer
https://washingtonexaminer.com/news/wyoming-gop-chairman-secession-cheney-votes-impeach-trump…
6:21 PM · Jan 18, 2021

[servermsh]

1. They are free to get out of my country. n/t

[Arne]

9. That could be an interesting experiment.

Of course it would fail miserably but matbe reshape the country.
Maybe for the better.

[WhiteTara]

35. I just can't see how it would work

Britain is in free-fall economically because they decided to "seceed" from the EU. Seriously, the numbnuts have not thought this through. Because the states are not joined, they would each have to be their own country and all that entails. Own money, borders that would have checkpoints like US/Mexico borders.

They are not only insane but totally stupid. It's all a game to them. That young guy Caw Madison? likened being in Congress to being a wizard in a Harry Potter book.

[JHB]

22. They're free to LEAVE the country if they don't like it.

The real estate stays with the USA.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

69. This

[moonscape]

2. Of course, because it's Putin's wet dream. n/t

[bdamomma]

13. Exactly

that will be his "mission accomplished". Fucking Putin.

[SheltieLover]

18. Yup!

[essme]

3. No, the stupid fucks are

Not self reliant.

[Ferrets are Cool]

4. This is so laughable.

If it wasn't.

[captain queeg]

5. Well, they are certainly crazy enough to try it

But I don't think it'll fly. Look at all the trouble Britain had leaving the EU. That's nothing compared to states leaving the US.

[Progressive Jones]

6. If a region or State secedes, build that wall. Close that military base. Take their US $$ away.

Make life difficult for them.

[GoCubsGo]

16. Don't even need to build the wall.

Just take away all the federal money, and shut down the federal facilities, including the Social Security offices and the Postal Service. They won't last 3 months on their own. Imagine how all those retirees in those states are going to take having their Social Security and Medicare cut off, and can't get their medications delivered to them. No more farm subsidies to prop up their agriculture, either.

[StClone]

23. Montanastan Refugees

Cue Sarah Mclachlan sad music as pictures of skinny refugees trickling into Iowa. Please send money and hope to these unfortunate people...

[dsc]

51. Americans abroad can get SS

that said, those close would stop paying in if they worked for a locally based company and thus lose much of the benefit.

[GoCubsGo]

53. One has to assume that if they seceed, they're giving up their citizenship.

And, all the rights and privileges that come with it. If they don't renounce it on their own, it should be automatically revoked.

[dsc]

59. a person can renounce citizenship and still get the SS they paid for

I actually think non citizens can get SS regardless if they pay in. I will have to ask my school's Spanish teacher. I know he is in our state retirement system but I also think he is in SS. He has worked here for decades but isn't a citizen by choice.

[GoCubsGo]

62. Non-citizens can receive it if they are legal residents.

Which is why undocumented workers pay into SS, but cannot collect it. If you secede from this country, you are no longer a resident or citizen. You're now no different than those undocumented workers. And, if those who leave and have paid into it can currently collect, then that needs to change immediately. It shouldn't be too difficult, because the Congress would be losing predominately Republicans.

[dsc]

65. why should it change

If I decide to retire in Costa Rica, or Spain, or the UK, or Australia when I retire why shouldn't I get the SS I paid in to in addition to the state retirement I paid into?

[GoCubsGo]

68. Because you are still a citizen.

These people want to renounce their citizenship. Why should they be allowed to continue to reap the benefits of a country they hate and no longer want to be a part of? They paid into it? Tough shit.

[JHB]

25. Naw, don't let them do it at all.

We don't need client states of hostile powers on our borders.

If they've so deluded themselves that they believe all the apocalyptic shit they've created in their own fantasy versions of reality, they're free to leave. But the real estate stays in the USA.

[Thomas Hurt]

7. So you are a land locked State and you want secede so you don't have to deal with the feds?

How does that work, if WY becomes a nation state...it has to deal with the feds. fn idiots.

Does he think his new nation can be self reliant if the tax base crashes due to mass emigration of sane people.

[Blue_true]

29. You beat me to it. Who will buy their beef? How will they get it to ports.

Those assholes clearly haven’t put two and two together.

[kurtcagle]

31. Landlocked

No seaports. Airports would require a visa. highways and railway lines would likely be rerouted rather than paying foreign duties (Cheyenne is simply not that busy a city, and once out of Cheyenne, it's mostly mountains). They could raise cattle, but forget about most other crops. No rivers, a few very tiny lakes. Presumably, they'd also have to buy out Yellowstone, which is a national monument.

Yeah, that looks like a good candidate for secession.

[jmbar2]

43. Who will grow their food?

Those beets don't pick themselves.

[brewens]

8. I suppose we have to move all military bases out of those states to loyal states. Expensive,

but can't be helped.

[Clash City Rocker]

10. They'll talk about it but won't do it

Most red states couldn’t survive on their own. They’re the leechers, we have evidence of that.

I would hope that most DUers wouldn’t want them to secede, either. There are good progressives in every state, and not all of them can move.

[Nevilledog]

15. Agreed

[Celerity]

11. ...

[Pantagruel]

12. They can take their

500 k citizens and TWO Senators and walk anytime. Take Idaho with them.

[Thekaspervote]

14. It would be great if the RWNJ would just leave. Over the last decade + there's always a state

Talking..yes just talking about secession..it isn’t going to happen

[JHB]

26. Frankly, I would would appreciate the symbolism of them sending themselves to Siberia.

[marble falls]

17. Yeah. Like that'll work.

[StClone]

19. Let them secede then invade them.

Occupy them like we did the South after the Civil War. Doubt Canada would come to their rescue though Pooty Poot might.

[C_U_L8R]

20. They are free to leave now if they like.

[Walleye]

21. Going to give back those interstate highways?

You couldn’t get very far in Wyoming without them. Fucking state wouldn’t exist without the federal government. How much of their land is actually federal land? They loved the federal government when they’re orange God was in charge

[gldstwmn]

24. Good luck.

Unfortunately there are good people in those States.

[Kid Berwyn]

27. The secessionist can leave. The land stays.

That’s why it’s called the United States.

[Buckeyeblue]

28. I don't believe the western states could be self-reliant

Especially once we start rerouting water supplies. And pull federal dollars and military. And they are land-locked...so good luck importing and exporting.

[kurtcagle]

33. The Western coastal states could

I have often thought that one of the major goals that Trump had when he began fighting with the West Coast was to drive them to secession. They could survive as a fairly significant country in their own right for a while, even with water rights issues, but they would also be more susceptible to Russian or Chinese belligerence (though I'm more inclined to believe that both countries would rather Cascadia be separate in order to cut down on the potential of US belligerence or intervention in the Indian or Western Pacific oceans and to reduce the impact of the US submarine fleet ).

[Yavin4]

40. Imagine if the Western coastal states seceded and joined the European Union.

Think about that for a second.

[Buckeyeblue]

46. But we weren't talking western coastal states, I didn't think...

I thought we were discussing western wacko states like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Idaho, Utah, and maybe Montana. Even if you through in OK and Texas, I don't believe they are sustainable. First, a number of people not wanting to be part of the new country would move. I think a number of corporations would move as well. Hell, you could even attach LA, MI, AR, AL, TN and FL and I still don't see them being able to be much.

[Fiendish Thingy]

30. That question was settled in 1865 - how would they sustain secession? With what army?

Secession is just a provocation for that state to be placed under martial law.

I would be shocked if any Red State Governor would go along with such a scheme.

[roamer65]

64. Only way it could happen is a referendum and a favorable SCOTUS ruling.

There is a strong argument in the absence of a secession formula in the Constitution. Especially with the presence of the 10th Amendment.

[dweller]

32. well they can fek

off RFN , buncha whiny sniffling snowflakes

✌🏻

[sinkingfeeling]

34. Haha. So this fool thinks Wyoming and Texas could be self-reliant

without federal money.

[phylny]

47. Hmm, kinda cool - I thought Virginia was more of a "taker" than a "maker."

Glad to see we are where we are

[Turin_C3PO]

50. I think my state, NM,

is the only poor blue state. At least we know where our bread is buttered unlike some of the other poor states.

[harumph]

58. Graph is incomplete info.

Here is something that breaks it down:

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700


Texas actually could be economically independent - but since the vast majority of Texas cities lean heavily Democratic, there is
no way the State Gov't could do this without inciting extreme violence. I'd like to see Republicans try. It would be the end
of R rule in Texas.

[RichardRay]

36. Not all of it

Teton County (Jackson Hole and environs) is solidly blue. We’ll secede from Wyoming and form a small, dependably Democratic state. Hell, we’d be bigger than either Rhode Island or Delaware!

[Yavin4]

38. The UK is already suffering under Brexit after just a couple of weeks.

These MAGA states wouldn't make it past 24 hrs.

[roamer65]

39. Scotland will be independent within 2 years and have rejoined the EU.

That’s my prediction for the former UK.

[Delphinus]

54. I'm thinking so too.

Britain won't be able to call themselves the United Kingdom soon.

Brexit was a bad deal for them.

[roamer65]

55. Scotland will be in the EU and there will be a united Ireland.

Just England and Wales left.

Just my gut feeling.

[roamer65]

41. Fine.

Michigan can join with Canada.

The Province of Michitario.

25 million population, provincial government in Toronto and our federal government in Ottawa.

🇨🇦

[LeftInTX]

42. Where will Wyoming go?

[Retrograde]

44. Wyoming? With fewer than 700,000 people?

My county - not the most populous in California - has more than twice that. What does Wyoming have going for it economically aside from Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks - which don't belong to them in the first place?

[maxsolomon]

70. Natural Gas, Mining, Cattle, Sheep.

They have many natural resources that they could trade for fresh vegetables.

[greenjar_01]

45. Pffffft

Do we have policy initiatives to discuss, or are we going to spend the next two years in the glow of the last four years' crazies?

[DeminPennswoods]

48. Not a well-thought out plan

They'd have to negotiate trade agreements, have their own foreign policy, pay for their own infrastructure and defense, figure out healthcare. There's also the large Native American reservations that are controlled by the Tribes. And more...

[roamer65]

49. It will present a great opportunity to forcibly consolidate MT, WY, ND and SD...

into one administrative region. Only 2 senators.

[OnDoutside]

52. Well the UK is available and looking to grow their Empire once more ! Opportunity knocks !

[marie999]

56. There isn't anything in the Constitution about secession, but can't the federal government

not allow secession under the 14th Amendment since it would abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of The United States?

[roamer65]

63. If it's not specifically spelled out in the Constitution...

it is a power specifically reserved for the states and the people under the 10th Amendment.

So any secession referendum would be destined for the SCOTUS.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

57. The Republic of QAnon?

President Lauren Boebert?

yuh, that'll work

[Vivienne235729]

60. This the UNITED states. If they want to leave the republic, I bet Russia would love to have them

If you think about it, Russia would be a perfect fit for them: white, authoritarian, socially conservative.

[Hotler]

61. Let them, we set up a blockade, no goods in or out.

especially smokes, booze and ammo. And then they can set an example for the rest of us on how to pull ones self up their own bootstraps.

[Tarc]

66. We setled this once before, and if we need a 21st-century version of Gen. Sherman

to do it again, well... ol' Johnny Reb might not like what will come...

[Voltaire2]

67. I support devolution.

It really seems to be the only way forward. It doesn't have to be punitive. Arrangements for relocation, trade, travel, and financial separation can all be arranged, and everything should be done to give JesusLand a chance to be successful. We really don't want them back.