Trump talked out of pardoning kids and Republican lawmakers

[Clash City Rocker]

President Donald Trump received an unsettling warning on his final Saturday night in the White House.

Huddled for a lengthy meeting with his legal advisers, Trump was warned the pardons he once hoped to bestow upon his family and even himself would place him in a legally perilous position, convey the appearance of guilt and potentially make him more vulnerable to reprisals.

So, too, was Trump warned that pardons for Republican lawmakers who had sought them for their role in the Capitol insurrection would anger the very Senate Republicans who will determine his fate in an upcoming impeachment trial.

White House counsel Pat Cipollone and another attorney who represented Trump in his first impeachment trial, Eric Herschmann, offered the grave warnings as Trump, his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner listened. Other lawyers joined by telephone. They all told Trump he should not pardon himself, his family or any GOP lawmakers in a prospective manner unless he was prepared to list specific crimes.

Cipollone and former Attorney General William Barr both warned Trump earlier this month they did not believe he should pardon himself, multiple sources familiar with the matter told CNN last week. Barr conveyed this position to Trump before resigning last month, sources say.

Trump continued to bring the matter up in the ensuing days, even after officials believed the issue was resolved. But the sobering meeting on Saturday evening at the White House seemed to put the idea to rest.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/politics/trump-self-pardon-warning/index.html

[Laelth]

1. Very good. k&r n/t

-Laelth

[regnaD kciN]

2. Bet he does it anyway...

Come tomorrow morning, he's going to wake up, realize he'll be vulnerable to prosecution in a matter of hours, and declare "Fuck it -- I'm not going to prison." It was at that point that I worried that he'd impose martial law; however, since the coup attempt failed so thoroughly, I'm thinking "Everyone Here Gets A Pardon!!!" is going to be his other alternative.

[getagrip_already]

3. and in secret....

He won't tell anyone and they won't be produced until years from now when trials are finally getting underway.

Why wouldn't he given who he s?

[fifthoffive]

6. I keep seeing that this is possible,

but unless the pardon is filed someplace prior to a president's departure, how can anyone affirm that it has not just been given once it was clearly required, and backdated? Chuck Rosenberg said there was nothing in the Constitution that prevents secrecy. The President could just "write himself a note."

Same for a verbal pardon that Chuck Rosenberg also said was possible. How can such ever be validated at a later date?

This seems to be an awfully large loophole. What am I missing?

[getagrip_already]

7. like any other legal document....

I imagine it needs to be witnessed and notarized to stand up in court later. But even contracts can be private.

That's just a guess though. I'm not a lawyer nor scholar.....

[Progressive dog]

8. You are missing nothing because a pardon without proof of issue time

could be issued after he leaves office. There has to be a provable date when it was issued. Trump has no credibilty with courts and my guess is that there will be no secret pardons.

[Cha]

4. We'll see.

[dalton99a]

5. He might still sign that paper on Air Force One on the way to Mar-a-Lago

as a final fuck-you to America