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The Q melt down begins... (Original Post) 634-5789 Jan 2021 OP
I wonder what "the plan" was. nt Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #1
Home by 9; hot pockets & call of duty... EarthFirst Jan 2021 #2
Basement nice and cozy durablend Jan 2021 #4
Is it wrong that that sounds like a nice day to me? [nt] Nexus2 Jan 2021 #44
Nope. orangecrush Jan 2021 #96
The plan changed weekly jcgoldie Jan 2021 #11
It reminds me of "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #31
Nobody knows Hav Jan 2021 #18
ad dollars, side grifts, fundraising...... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #40
Looking more and more like Plan 9 From Outer Space . . . hatrack Jan 2021 #50
+1 infullview Jan 2021 #89
From what I've read, there was no plan whatsoever nt Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #52
The Plan Was To Separate Suckers From Their Money COL Mustard Jan 2021 #74
To perpetrate a fraud hoping it would become real if everyone suckered in wished hard enough. marble falls Jan 2021 #54
I think the plan was to radical noodle Jan 2021 #58
Currently, arrests of Biden, Harris, Clinton are imminent. This is the "10 days of darkness" foretol Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #62
I had a family friend who, for years, was convinced the world was about to end. Neema Jan 2021 #85
Oh, good Lord Wednesdays Jan 2021 #88
I lost several IQ points just reading it. GopherGal Jan 2021 #139
I have to say that I agree with one point: colorado_ufo Jan 2021 #111
The plan was... hurple Jan 2021 #84
I'm pretty sure Trump cant play checkers, much less chess. fwvinson Jan 2021 #136
Plan 9 From Outer Space... First Speaker Jan 2021 #103
Anyone who truly believed in Q... MatthewG. Jan 2021 #3
Nah durablend Jan 2021 #5
Indeed Wednesdays Jan 2021 #91
exactly... these folks level of gullibility is low lying fruit for the crazy train samnsara Jan 2021 #9
Yes, but the scary thing we've learn is there's A LOT of low lying fruit Silent3 Jan 2021 #70
Not sure the standard IQ test is still being used, but luvtheGWN Jan 2021 #86
There are different tests. Caliman73 Jan 2021 #127
I heard recently that in 2015 (I think) Texas band "critical thinking" from.. LAS14 Jan 2021 #135
Yes, but it's supposed to be a bell curve... Silent3 Jan 2021 #129
The question is answered in the second sentence. $$$$$$ Luz Jan 2021 #6
I hope Trump was worth it SledDriver Jan 2021 #7
+1 dalton99a Jan 2021 #25
That pretty much nails it for me UpInArms Jan 2021 #26
Wow just wow mdelaguna Jan 2021 #35
Wow. Nailed it. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #36
Amazing! C Moon Jan 2021 #48
Perfect. birdographer Jan 2021 #72
This is a Keeper Frerotte Jan 2021 #92
I would have believed this a week ago. Bluesaph Jan 2021 #138
He wonders what the point of it all was??? Really? He ... Whiskeytide Jan 2021 #8
Hi Whiskeytide griffi94 Jan 2021 #97
Hmmm. This person seems too self-aware to be a true Q. Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #10
Good point Digger Jan 2021 #29
Yeah - it looks like what I wish they'd say. But they just aren't that bright. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #38
There are 2 Qs in the US Congress IronLionZion Jan 2021 #46
Neither of them will ever confess. Marcuse Jan 2021 #106
Boebert tries to distance herself, so we should tie her to it forever IronLionZion Jan 2021 #116
I've seen a bunch of reactions like that from QAnuts. A lot of them realize... CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #60
I just find it interesting that they really thought Trump was going to declare martial law Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #81
They're gullible partly because they're ignorant. But they're ignorant on purpose, too. yardwork Jan 2021 #113
Maybe that's a basic problem of democracy Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #115
I think that Jefferson wrote about this, but his solution was extreme. yardwork Jan 2021 #118
A lot have been brainwashed from years of Evangelical Snakeoil on TV Tommymac Jan 2021 #120
I've studied grifts and grifters... appmanga Jan 2021 #122
Purposely bad punctuation LakeArenal Jan 2021 #94
Right. The clue is the name of the person posting: Poe_zlaw Danascot Jan 2021 #121
Interesting. I learned something. Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #124
Poor baby Billytee Jan 2021 #12
"I WAS ONLY REPEATING from extremely highly trusted sources" Johnny2X2X Jan 2021 #13
There's Karma13612 Jan 2021 #20
The problem is Q followers are so numerous Johnny2X2X Jan 2021 #22
I WAS ONLY REPEATING will be the epitaph of our democracy if we don't prevail. yardwork Jan 2021 #110
I beg to differ..... brooklynite Jan 2021 #14
Why March 11? What is that particular date important? panader0 Jan 2021 #27
Its after today? brooklynite Jan 2021 #39
It was the original inauguration day dhol82 Jan 2021 #61
That was March 4th. Wednesdays Jan 2021 #93
Oops. My bad. dhol82 Jan 2021 #130
Actually you were close. Niagara Jan 2021 #140
Kinda surprised Karma13612 Jan 2021 #15
Missing apostrophes on all the contractions. niyad Jan 2021 #49
Oops! Nt Karma13612 Jan 2021 #82
But this was probably written in Karma13612 Jan 2021 #90
... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Jan 2021 #17
With some notable exceptions, the heart of any good con is to appeal to people's baser instincts RAB910 Jan 2021 #19
Is this a real QAnon person, or a well crafted post to poke fun? Pobeka Jan 2021 #21
Some Q cultists Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #45
Some people downplay the importance of messaging but your aunt is a perfect example. CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #66
What Q forgot to teach you was apostrophe usage. sinkingfeeling Jan 2021 #23
My Reaction smb Jan 2021 #24
The Plan Is To Make You Look Stupid. dalton99a Jan 2021 #28
And extract as much money as possible dv421 Jan 2021 #59
Sometimes, I wish one could have a personal exchange with these kind of people Hav Jan 2021 #30
Poor puppy .... magicarpet Jan 2021 #32
Nice to read; I hope it's real. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #33
The primary defining characteristic of the Right Wing is a profound, Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #34
"Extremely highly trusted sources". WHY? Why did you trust them extremely highly? JHB Jan 2021 #37
I can't even watch that without an overwhelming desire to slap her face and yell SHUT THE FUCK UP Stinky The Clown Jan 2021 #41
God these people are Q-less. Glamrock Jan 2021 #42
"Q" was compromised early on by zombies. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2021 #43
Demonstrated media literacy jayschool2013 Jan 2021 #47
Hmmmm. This sounds way too reasoned the be a real Q supporter. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #51
This Q stuff is so stupid. It boggles the mind. honest.abe Jan 2021 #53
She should have bought herself a bag of apostrophes with that money. Politicub Jan 2021 #55
Let's think for a moment just what has disappointed this person so badly: catbyte Jan 2021 #56
Well said. Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #125
Womp Womp! AwakeAtLast Jan 2021 #57
She is going to need professional help. progressoid Jan 2021 #63
"Biden is talking with some kind of crazy flag." Ilsa Jan 2021 #64
Instead, she's being lied to all day long. yardwork Jan 2021 #114
There used to be crazy people standing on street corners preaching or talking loudly to the air when world wide wally Jan 2021 #65
she's repulsive. trump's base is the lowest of the low samsingh Jan 2021 #67
Trusted Sources? Tink41 Jan 2021 #68
What was the crying woman even watching that she didn't see an American flag? mtngirl47 Jan 2021 #69
I'm gonna guess birdographer Jan 2021 #78
Lady, Trump does have a plan..... Jon King Jan 2021 #71
Bless their hearts mgardener Jan 2021 #73
I have no words. nt iluvtennis Jan 2021 #75
I'm not sure it's all about being overly gullible or insufficiently intelligent. cab67 Jan 2021 #76
She needs in patient mental health care. redstatebluegirl Jan 2021 #131
Play Stupid Games; Win Stupid Prizes. Aristus Jan 2021 #77
QAnon believers grapple with doubt, spin new theories as Trump era ends: 'We all got played' Gothmog Jan 2021 #79
Is that the "Blair Witch" woman having a sad? jaxexpat Jan 2021 #80
As much as I detest the MAGA folks, this lady is sick. Sadly, she is ill and needs help. ashredux Jan 2021 #83
I hope most QAnon cultists realize they've been played for fools, but when I took a quick look at highplainsdem Jan 2021 #87
.... orangecrush Jan 2021 #95
Poe_zlaw, I got Two Words - Lokee11 Jan 2021 #98
I'm not sure you can call this "the q meltdown begins" matt819 Jan 2021 #99
From what I know Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #126
But they'll be johnny on the spot when frogmarch Jan 2021 #100
"Made to look like fools." ADK Jan 2021 #101
And she begs God to save us from the Devil in the White House KS Toronado Jan 2021 #102
They need to go down to Mar-a -lago where I'm sure trump will give them refuge . Aerator Jan 2021 #104
Trumps plan is to go golfing with your money.... Jon King Jan 2021 #105
You almost want to feel sorry for them BarackTheVote Jan 2021 #107
I don't see any actual tears. She makes motions like she's wiping tears but Maru Kitteh Jan 2021 #108
Rec #100 malaise Jan 2021 #109
OMG, is she for real???!!? secondwind Jan 2021 #112
Quite simply, the plan was... appmanga Jan 2021 #117
It reads like a near-future dystopian novel. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #119
Awwww, poor baby. Ask uncle Vladi for the answers about why, and who, and what for it all happened. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #123
Compassion for suffering... RichardRay Jan 2021 #128
I'm thinking the one who calls themself "Poe_zlaw" might not be genuine. D23MIURG23 Jan 2021 #132
That video. Holy shit. BComplex Jan 2021 #133
It's only today that I learned that these people believed something would, indeed... LAS14 Jan 2021 #134
The post asks one important question peggysue2 Jan 2021 #137

jcgoldie

(11,652 posts)
11. The plan changed weekly
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:42 AM
Jan 2021

They kept kicking the can a couple of weeks down the road. The states were gonna throw out the election results then the courts were then the supreme court was gonna overturn the election then when it didn't happen Hawley and Cruz were gonna object and Mike Pence was going to wreck it then finally Trump was going to declare martial law and everybody at Biden's inauguration was going to be rounded up and arrested as Trump secretly pulled the strings. The narrative of all that Q crap has been that Trump is some sort of secret world emperor pulling levers behind the scenes to control everything. Once he lost the election they had to scramble week by week to make his newfound weak loser status fit his all powerful position in the narrative. Once they watched him slink off to Florida and nobody got arrested the whole thing just sort of became exposed finally.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
18. Nobody knows
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:48 AM
Jan 2021

except some vague and made up predictions and promises. You are just supposed to trust it, that is how every con works.

getagrip_already

(14,864 posts)
40. ad dollars, side grifts, fundraising......
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:08 AM
Jan 2021

Follow the money, you will find some people with thick eastern european accents laughing and slamming back vodka.

But money is what got you here. Oh, and I don't care......

hatrack

(59,593 posts)
50. Looking more and more like Plan 9 From Outer Space . . .
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jan 2021

Similar in logic, plotting and production values.

COL Mustard

(5,933 posts)
74. The Plan Was To Separate Suckers From Their Money
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:36 AM
Jan 2021

Overall, it sounds like a rousing success for somebody!

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
58. I think the plan was to
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:06 AM
Jan 2021

round up all the Democrats (who are devil-worshipping baby eaters) and make trump president for life.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
62. Currently, arrests of Biden, Harris, Clinton are imminent. This is the "10 days of darkness" foretol
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:14 AM
Jan 2021

There is some talk about stuff "researched" that they think points to things happening Feb. 1 but they always have some date in the not too distant future that they can pin hopes on. They think the 10 days between 20th and 31st or nearly Feb 1 are for actions behind the scenes - there are always obscure "knowledgeable" people telling them there are "actions behind the scenes" going on. Though the second post doesn't mention it, the post is typical of the convoluted rationalizations they latch onto as a way to keep the flame of belief in the cult and its leader going. And there is really no "castle rock" chess strategy ("castling" is a basic move), but there is/was a Castle Rock movie company and it is a town in fiction.



HOLD THE LINE PATRIOTS
CASTLE ROCK CHESS MOVE (as described in previous thread this morning in the 3200 post vicinity)
CHESS MOVE DONE BY BEST PRESIDENT EVER
GOD WINS
483 posted on 1/20/2021, by TheConservativeParty (410 Hold The Line Patriots)



FOUND THIS ON GAB NEON BOOSTED IT

Midnight Rider @midnite_rider 31m · Some facts to keep in mind. These things are still in play, despite the usurper’s inauguration, and this is why I’m still holding the line.

1) D.C. is ***still*** currently occupied by the military, still surrounded by fences and barbed wire, still swarmed with up to 65,000 troops. Why? That question still hasn’t been answered. They are there at President Trump’s direction. The excuse that they are there to protect the inauguration is bullshit and everyone knows it. Something is up.

2) John Durham is ***still*** investigating and because he is now a special counsel, usurper pedo Joe Biden can’t call off the investigation. Durham **still** can and will issue indictments and make prosecutions, fulfilling Q/Q+’s promise of “transparency” and “accountability.”

3) There are **still** 200,000 sealed indictments.

4) The people Durham is investigating, the people who **illegally** tried to undermine and overthrow President Trump in a coup are the SAME people who are in power now, the same people who committed election fraud. Their crimes can **still** be exposed and they can **still** be prosecuted.

5) If the above happens, it will be clear Donald J. Trump won the election and is the duly elected and rightful President. We don’t know how long it may take to reach this scenario but it is not out of the realm of possibility. We are in uncharted waters and anything is possible.

6) President Trump is not a quitter. He has said multiple times now, even in his farewell speeches that “the best is yet to come”. He knows what would happen under a Biden presidency. He knows if America falls, the world falls with it. He could have given a very different kind of speech. He could have subtly brought up election fraud. He could have subtly warned us that his efforts to MAGA might soon be imperiled. (We all know he loves to make those kinds of predictions, like he did with mail-in ballots). He could have warned about the dangers of globalism, like Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex in his farewell speech. He did nothing of the sort. He was confident that the best is **still** yet to come. Why?

BOTTOM LINE:

The way I see it, there are still too many variables and unsettled issues for me to **logically** conclude that this is over. It’s not over.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST:

We are watching a movie, right? Can you think of any movies where it seems like all is lost, everything’s finished, the protagonist is done for, and out of nowhere a MIRACLE happens? I can think of hundreds of movies like that. In fact, it’s an extremely common plot device: DEUS EX MACHINA...aka GOD.

Pompeo just tweeted this Bible verse:

“Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.” Proverbs 19:21

God will prevail no matter what. With man, it may seem impossible, but with God anything is possible. I’m not losing faith because I know God’s plan will prevail in the end, however long that may be.

This movie isn’t over.

958 posted on 1/20/2021, by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)


Neema

(1,151 posts)
85. I had a family friend who, for years, was convinced the world was about to end.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:49 AM
Jan 2021

They constantly were making preparations for that day, with new and increasingly insane tasks. Each time the day would come and go without the world ending, they would get an "explanation" and a new date. It was mind-boggling to see them fall for it anew each time. I see it with these QAnon people.

hurple

(1,306 posts)
84. The plan was...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:49 AM
Jan 2021

Remember, the whole conspiracy behind Q was that the world is being run by a cabal of child sax-trafficking cannibalistic pedophiles, who also happen to all be Democrats or "libs". And, that trump was secretly leading an opposing army and was going to round them up, lock them up, and destroy them.

"The Plan" was trump's 4d chess game that was going to expose them and destroy them.

So, yes, they are all insane.

MatthewG.

(362 posts)
3. Anyone who truly believed in Q...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:37 AM
Jan 2021

Anyone who truly believed in Q lacked the discernment necessary to cope with the complexities of modernity.

If Q hadn’t hoaxed them, internet scam artists, Scientology, or some other grifter would have.

That said, I do have a bit of compassion for the traumatic shock some of these people may be experiencing. I hope they use this opportunity to rethink their beliefs and media consumption.

durablend

(7,465 posts)
5. Nah
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:38 AM
Jan 2021

" I hope they use this opportunity to rethink their beliefs and media consumption."

Not a chance. The next shiny object (person) that comes along they'll be right on that.

Silent3

(15,293 posts)
70. Yes, but the scary thing we've learn is there's A LOT of low lying fruit
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:29 AM
Jan 2021

What I once thought of a "fringe" is capable of going mainstream, or nearly so, in large segments of our population.

Even Republicans who weren't total Q freaks bought into parts of it.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
86. Not sure the standard IQ test is still being used, but
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:49 AM
Jan 2021

it's worth remembering that 50% of all people fall under the 100 mark.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
127. There are different tests.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 01:27 PM
Jan 2021

They all have their weaknesses and strengths. IQ is tricky and controversial because of its historical use to deny services to minorities and its role as an excuse for discriminatory practices.

There is a distribution and you are correct that half the population is below the 100 mark, however depending on the test the ranges are different. 70 or below is typically considered intellectually disabled (the current term for what was called Mental Retardation).People who fall below 70 are typically inhibited in functional activities like reading, writing, and even self care tasks. The average range appears to be from 90-110 where the largest majority of the population lies. 85-90 is typically seen as "low average".

I think it is more about critical thinking skills, the ability to discern evidence and reputable sources, and exposure more than IQ.

The saturation of right wing media from AM radio, to Fox and other networks, to the internet, has allowed people to stay inside of a bubble where they get information that confirms their predilections.

A lot of times, "going down the rabbit hole" is about feeling aggrieved, disempowered, and isolated. A lot of these conspiracies are born out of a, not completely unwarranted, distrust of government and authority. That is not to say that there is any validity to the actual claims, but more about how the government does hide things from us.

If you think back historically, the Spanish-American War had a flashpoint with the sinking of the Maine, which was blamed on Spain. The reality is that Spain was likely not responsible for the sinking. Similarly, our full on entry into Vietnam (we had already been there since Eisenhower) was linked to the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was basically made up by the Johnson Administration. We only learned after the fact, about the sterilization projects with Black women, the secret testing of birth control on Puerto Rican women, the Tuskegee experiments, and other things that the government has done and covered up.

Some people take this skepticism too far, and start listening to any crack pot with an "explanation" that fits into their already held or learned beliefs. They lose perspective and they invest emotionally into the situation. Like people in abusive relationships that continue to think that "this time, he is really sorry for smacking me, and he will change."

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
135. I heard recently that in 2015 (I think) Texas band "critical thinking" from..
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 03:56 PM
Jan 2021

.. its public school curricula. I wonder a lot about how one teaches critical thinking/media literacy when a child's parents tell them, "Well, honey, NewsMax is a trusted source."

Silent3

(15,293 posts)
129. Yes, but it's supposed to be a bell curve...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 01:35 PM
Jan 2021

...not a steep drop on the left-hand side of the graph, with a big bump-up after that in the 50s.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
36. Wow. Nailed it.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:02 AM
Jan 2021

I'd like to share this with my ex-friends, but as Steve says, there's no going back. What's the use?

Bluesaph

(719 posts)
138. I would have believed this a week ago.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 06:58 PM
Jan 2021

But now I don’t see the point. I left a cult once. I was fortunate that my family accepted me back once I learned to reason again. I won’t hold it against almost anyone. There have been a handful of Trump supporters who were toxic prior to Trump and I don’t think I need to mend fences with those types. But the majority of friends and family who fell for the lies... I’m glad to mend fences.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
8. He wonders what the point of it all was??? Really? He ...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:40 AM
Jan 2021

... has “given money” and ”bought the merch” and “went to the rallies”. And presumably voted for an Orange man. Do you get the point now?

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
97. Hi Whiskeytide
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:09 PM
Jan 2021

I'm glad I read the thread before posting. I was going to post exactly what you just said lol.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
10. Hmmm. This person seems too self-aware to be a true Q.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:42 AM
Jan 2021

The person who wrote this is fairly intelligent. I think a Q person would never admit they were fooled. Or that they had ruined relationships.

IronLionZion

(45,547 posts)
116. Boebert tries to distance herself, so we should tie her to it forever
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:46 PM
Jan 2021

Greene campaigned openly on it and should not be able to scrub that stench off

CaptainTruth

(6,606 posts)
60. I've seen a bunch of reactions like that from QAnuts. A lot of them realize...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jan 2021

...they've been lied to. I hope they'll learn from it & be less gullible in the future.

And this is another golden messaging opportunity for Democrats, handed to us on a silver platter. It's a simple message: Q lied to you (we're not the evil people Q said we were), Trump lied to you (examples are easy to find), we won't lie to you.

If we hope to deprogram any of these people it's where we have to start.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
81. I just find it interesting that they really thought Trump was going to declare martial law
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:43 AM
Jan 2021

And prevent Biden from being president. There is no historical context for that happening. Nor was there any reason to believe the military would go along with such a scheme.

I think it's less that the Q people are gullible than they are ignorant.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
113. They're gullible partly because they're ignorant. But they're ignorant on purpose, too.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:36 PM
Jan 2021

These people use the internet, so they could learn some facts about our history and our system of government if they chose to do so. Instead, they choose confirmation bias.

They want to believe.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
115. Maybe that's a basic problem of democracy
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jan 2021

An ignorant person's vote counts the same as an informed person's vote. I find that frustrating. But have no workable solution.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
118. I think that Jefferson wrote about this, but his solution was extreme.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:47 PM
Jan 2021

From your user name, I'm guessing you're from Ohio? I grew up in Ohio. I'm old enough to remember when patriotism involved working hard and learning facts about our country. There were deep flaws, of course, but at least hard work and learning were encouraged by people who called themselves patriots.

I don't recognize today's "patriotism." It feels like 1930s Germany.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
120. A lot have been brainwashed from years of Evangelical Snakeoil on TV
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jan 2021

They want an easy way out - they want something from nothing.

Lazy, ignorant, fat and now unhappy.

Boo hoo. Fuck You.

appmanga

(584 posts)
122. I've studied grifts and grifters...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 01:08 PM
Jan 2021

...and one of the amazing things I found out was grifters know that people who were conned once are quite susceptible to being conned again. High level con artists used to share lists of people who had been victims of long cons because many were just as easy to rook again. Most of these folks will fall for another batch of fairy tales conjured up to part them from their money long before they'd ever become Democrats.

LakeArenal

(28,855 posts)
94. Purposely bad punctuation
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:02 PM
Jan 2021

Just like the video woman sheds no real wet tears. No snot running down her nose.

Danascot

(4,695 posts)
121. Right. The clue is the name of the person posting: Poe_zlaw
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 01:07 PM
Jan 2021

Poe's law

Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied. Wikipedia

Johnny2X2X

(19,140 posts)
13. "I WAS ONLY REPEATING from extremely highly trusted sources"
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:43 AM
Jan 2021

Ya see, there's your problem, you trusted the wrong people and sources.

The last thing anyone wants to be told is that they had a missing or broken bullshit detector, but that's what you have here.

I think there will be some good and interesting research into this Q nonsense, some good books will come out of it. Perhaps some good segments on NPR. And I'm not sure how to help these people, if Q fades away, something else just as stupid will replace it and the same people will fall for it. And there will be politici9ans on the Right who take advantage.

Johnny2X2X

(19,140 posts)
22. The problem is Q followers are so numerous
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jan 2021

There are always cults, they usually suck a few dozen or at most a few hundred people in and the damage is limited to their lives. There are millions of Q followers and they have members of their cult in Congress now.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
110. I WAS ONLY REPEATING will be the epitaph of our democracy if we don't prevail.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jan 2021

Despite the recent elections I still feel that our democracy is balanced on a very fine line. Way too many Americans are ignorant, gullible, and all to ready to "only repeat" random things told to them by anonymous strangers on the internet.

brooklynite

(94,757 posts)
14. I beg to differ.....
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jan 2021

Did you know that yesterday's Inauguration DID NOT happen? That it was pre-recorded? That the military is going to let Biden pretend to be President until March 11?

"They" do, based on what I've read on some of their sites in the past 24 hours.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
15. Kinda surprised
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:45 AM
Jan 2021

That someone who believed in Q anon would be that well spoken. That was well written with no obvious spelling or grammatical errors.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
90. But this was probably written in
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:52 AM
Jan 2021

The ‘notepad’ utility of Microsoft Windows. Then just copied and pasted into the post. That basic utility doesn’t probably proof the text. Other than that, the overall literacy reflected makes me think Q believers are sometimes even from intelligent walks of life. Or this is someone who was in Q to actually manipulate the followers. ?? Anyway, still makes me wonder about people these days. So many gullible folk.

Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

RAB910

(3,515 posts)
19. With some notable exceptions, the heart of any good con is to appeal to people's baser instincts
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:48 AM
Jan 2021

It's not hard to see the person writing this was not particularly smart or well educated. As such, I don't they were particularly successful in life. So Q offered this person a tantalizing fantasy where he would become the smart one the elite one the one in power. It's a technique used by fascists and others for centuries. Build an army of misfits and losers with the promise that they would become what they envy

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
21. Is this a real QAnon person, or a well crafted post to poke fun?
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:49 AM
Jan 2021

It just seems far to rational to have come from someone kooky enough to fall for that nonsense in the first place.

Turin_C3PO

(14,083 posts)
45. Some Q cultists
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:47 AM
Jan 2021

are actually fairly intelligent. My aunt (retired now) has a masters in education and was a great special education teacher by all accounts. She used to be a good liberal. She started changing during the Obama era. Started believing right wing lies and watching Fox News. By 2016 she was all in for Trump and by late 2018 she was a full blown Q cult member. I haven’t spoken to her in a year but based on her Facebook, she fully believes the election was stolen and that Trump would declare martial law and arrest the “satanic, pedophiliac Democrats” on Inauguration Day. I’m not sure how she feels now but I hope she’s waking up. I miss my relationship with her.

CaptainTruth

(6,606 posts)
66. Some people downplay the importance of messaging but your aunt is a perfect example.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jan 2021

Effective messaging (by the right wing & a cult) completely changed her belief system.

I really hope Democratic leadership starts to understand this concept, & act on it, soon.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
30. Sometimes, I wish one could have a personal exchange with these kind of people
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:56 AM
Jan 2021

They are very close to realizing and admitting that they fell for a fraud but they might just as easily fall for the next one.
Just a few questions that they need to answer for themselves might make them see the light.

magicarpet

(14,181 posts)
32. Poor puppy ....
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:57 AM
Jan 2021

Have you heard of Alcoholics Anonymous ?

Well in your case it is,...

Quisling Anonymous.

*~*~*~*~*~


quis·ling
/ˈkwizliNG/
noun
a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.
"he had the Quisling owner of the factory arrested"

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
33. Nice to read; I hope it's real.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:59 AM
Jan 2021

To me, it looks like the sort of fantasy I have about the QAnuts. Too good to be true.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
34. The primary defining characteristic of the Right Wing is a profound,
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:59 AM
Jan 2021

collective lack of common sense. The most recent stunning example of their collective lack of common sense is the Qpublicans and white supremacists recording themselves sacking the Capitol, and then posting the incriminating videos on the internet.

Another recent mind boggling display of the utter lack of common sense inherent among RWers/Qpublicans is the anti-masker phenomenon.

All Darwin Awards ever bestowed have been won by RWers.





JHB

(37,163 posts)
37. "Extremely highly trusted sources". WHY? Why did you trust them extremely highly?
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:02 AM
Jan 2021

When they clearly weren't.

You should have watched "Lost" instead. Same build-up, same lack of pay-off, but at least you know it's just a TV show.

Glamrock

(11,802 posts)
42. God these people are Q-less.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:25 AM
Jan 2021

Save us President Trump! Wanna bet she sends money when the orange one asks?

Buns_of_Fire

(17,201 posts)
43. "Q" was compromised early on by zombies.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:38 AM
Jan 2021

Primarily, L. Ron Hubbard, who directed secret messages to him through the little bear in the Charmin commercials ("Enjoy the Go" is the code decryption password). Trouble is, L. Ron was passing on bogus information to lead "Q" away from the real threat -- zombies like him and Stephen Miller. I've got it all written down somewhere, and will be exposing the entire conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy as soon as Regnery and I come to terms on my cut.

That's all the information I dare give in a public forum until I start getting some bucks from it.

jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
47. Demonstrated media literacy
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:51 AM
Jan 2021

Demonstrated media literacy should be a requirement for graduation from high school, entry to college and entry into the military. Maybe even for running for elected office.

Until we understand what are legitimate sources of information, we'll always have too many of these loons pushing their insanity.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
55. She should have bought herself a bag of apostrophes with that money.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:02 AM
Jan 2021

It would have been better spent.

catbyte

(34,472 posts)
56. Let's think for a moment just what has disappointed this person so badly:
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jan 2021

According to "The Plan," s/he expected storm troopers to barge in, arrest and shoot or hang every Democrat and Republican who didn't vote to decertify the election who attended the Inauguration, and install that thing that infested the White House for four miserable years as God Emperor. It was a vile plan and every single one of these Q believers is a goddamned traitor and the furthest thing from a "patriot" that I've seen in my lifetime.

They deserve every bit of derision, shame, and ignominy that befalls them.

Ilsa

(61,700 posts)
64. "Biden is talking with some kind of crazy flag."
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:16 AM
Jan 2021

She might be delusional. Or maybe she saw a state flag she's never seen before, and thinks it's Biden's.

Her representatives in the House or Senate need to talk to her and only speak the truth to her.

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
65. There used to be crazy people standing on street corners preaching or talking loudly to the air when
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jan 2021

I was a kid. My Mother would explain to me that they were not "all there". Now they have the internet and it makes it gives them a platform along with the other "not all there" people.

Tink41

(537 posts)
68. Trusted Sources?
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jan 2021

Jeanine Pirro? Who was groveling and schilling the whole time for a pardon for her Ex? I'm not sure which sources could be trusted
in an environment of grifters. ALL of them were in on it. Grabbing as much as they could. I do feel sorry for those who do not possess the ability to discern such things.

mtngirl47

(991 posts)
69. What was the crying woman even watching that she didn't see an American flag?
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jan 2021

There were thousands on the mall and everywhere on the Capitol building....and we weren't hitting police over the heads with them or wrapping them around our bodies! The Inauguration had the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem.

I guess her news source didn't show that.

birdographer

(1,347 posts)
78. I'm gonna guess
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:42 AM
Jan 2021

she saw the flags with the circle of stars behind him and freaked out.

Hard to watch her. Hard to process someone actually thinking trump was going to save her and the country. These people are so deep into this fantasy, I doubt they will ever come out of it.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
71. Lady, Trump does have a plan.....
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:31 AM
Jan 2021

Same plan he has executed his entire adult life.....steal money and then move on. Trump University, Trump Foundation and many other things Trump. Trump politics was just another grift and you were just the latest sucker.

mgardener

(1,820 posts)
73. Bless their hearts
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:33 AM
Jan 2021

The first sentence says it all.
They were used, abused and discarded.
Once "they" had their money, they were no longer needed.

Q is just a big a con as Trump is.

They should have known when the pizza parlor had no basement!!!

cab67

(3,010 posts)
76. I'm not sure it's all about being overly gullible or insufficiently intelligent.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:40 AM
Jan 2021

I think a big part of how these people respond as individuals is the degree to which they absorbed Qanon as part of their identity.

(I'm not saying gullibility and room-temperature IQ aren't also factors. Of course they are.)

I suspect that Poe_zlaw followed Qanon and accepted its claims, but never fully embraced actually being part of the movement. Perhaps this person felt strong enough ties to other communities - neighborhood, house of worship, profession, and so on - that although his or her persona is diminished without Qanon, it isn't left totally empty.

The woman in the video is another matter. By the time she made the video yesterday, so much of her identity was linked to Qanon that she'd be left totally adrift without it.

As a matter of basic humanity, I actually hope that woman has family or friends who can keep an eye on her. She's in a very vulnerable place right now.

Gothmog

(145,631 posts)
79. QAnon believers grapple with doubt, spin new theories as Trump era ends: 'We all got played'
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:43 AM
Jan 2021

Only complete idiots would buy this crap. These idiots deserve to be laughed at




Followers of the extremist ideology QAnon saw their hopes once again dashed Wednesday as President Trump left Washington on the final day of his presidency, without any of the climactic scenes of violence and salvation that the sprawling set of conspiracy theories had preached for years would come.

As Trump boarded Air Force One for his last presidential flight to Florida, many QAnon adherents — some of whom had earlier this month stormed the Capitol in a siege that left at least two QAnon devotees dead and others in jail — began to wonder whether they’d been duped all along.

When one QAnon channel on the chat app Telegram posted a new theory that suggested Biden himself was “part of the plan,” a number of followers shifted into open rebellion: “This will never happen”; “Just stfu already!” “It’s over. It is sadly, sadly over.” “What a fraud!”.....

“It simply doesn’t make sense that we all got played,” one QAnon channel on Telegram said.

jaxexpat

(6,860 posts)
80. Is that the "Blair Witch" woman having a sad?
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:43 AM
Jan 2021

A little more smegma and I'm sure it's a match.

Wherefore art thine Wednesday meds?

ashredux

(2,609 posts)
83. As much as I detest the MAGA folks, this lady is sick. Sadly, she is ill and needs help.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:46 AM
Jan 2021

I am not being sarcastic...she is ill

highplainsdem

(49,044 posts)
87. I hope most QAnon cultists realize they've been played for fools, but when I took a quick look at
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:50 AM
Jan 2021

Gab's front page last night for their most popular posts, it included some evolving QAnon conspiracy theorists "explaining" that Biden being inaugurated is still part of the plan, as Trump supposedly sets a very clever trap for his enemies.

And you're not going to see that kind of insanity or cynical misinformation discouraged on Gab, whose CEO posted on Twitter yesterday that conspiracy theories are "a great American pastime."

Uh-huh.

Andrew Torba seems crazier than ever, convinced Gab will completely replace all other social media for RWers and Christians (he seems to think he's leading some kind of Christian crusade).

And if growing his platform and making more money means not just tolerating but encouraging every batshit crazy conspiracy theory out there, he's obviously willing to do it.

Zero conscience.

Zero ethics.

Lokee11

(235 posts)
98. Poe_zlaw, I got Two Words -
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:10 PM
Jan 2021

Yo Fault!

[link:

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Sorry any excuse I can find to bring up a Fresh Prince clip - I cannot pass by.

✊!

matt819

(10,749 posts)
99. I'm not sure you can call this "the q meltdown begins"
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:12 PM
Jan 2021

These are two people. They are still ripe for exploitation. They were looking for an authoritarian leader, and one may yet come along. Or "Q" will take the approach of those apocalyptic cults when the world doesn't end - they recalculate and redouble their commitment.

So we are most definitely not out of the woods, especially when they have demagogues like Cruz and Hawley and traitors like Bannon, Stone, and the Flynn brothers to regroup.

That said, if these two people can be the vanguard of the deprogramming effort, that's another thing. If they can somehow convert one or more of their email list and then get them to do the same, maybe we have some hope. But the hardcore oathkeepers, three percenters, retired (or active) police and service members are still with us. And I can only hope that the Justice Department will redouble its efforts to break these groups the way they attacked organized crime. And that the ones they arrested can move them up the food chain, including to people infiltrated into local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies.

Turin_C3PO

(14,083 posts)
126. From what I know
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 01:26 PM
Jan 2021

of the Oath Keepers and three percenters, most think the Q conspiracy is crap but they want to use it to bring them into their white supremacist agenda. That’s a scary thought.

frogmarch

(12,160 posts)
100. But they'll be johnny on the spot when
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:13 PM
Jan 2021

the next CT pops up. Not a functioning brain cell among them.

 

ADK

(83 posts)
101. "Made to look like fools."
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:15 PM
Jan 2021

No. You all are fools and seditious dumbfucks. Take some personal responsibility for your idiocy.

KS Toronado

(17,355 posts)
102. And she begs God to save us from the Devil in the White House
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:16 PM
Jan 2021

Believe he did when kicking him clear to mar-a-largo.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
105. Trumps plan is to go golfing with your money....
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:29 PM
Jan 2021

Lets see....Jared and Ivanka bought an island property, Don Jr and Kim bought 2 waterfront houses, and Trump himself is playing golf today on a beautiful Florida day. While these folks sent them all their money.

Sounds like the plan was executed to perfection.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
107. You almost want to feel sorry for them
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jan 2021

until you remember that the thing they are so piteously moaning about is that the military didn’t come out, arrest and execute all the people who didn’t kiss Trump’s ring, and overthrow American democracy. They wanted a night of long ropes, blood in the streets, the establishment of a dictatorship.

These are terrible, awful, no good, very bad people.

Like post 62 pointed out these people act like they’re watching a movie. Popcorn munching emojis apparently abounded as they sat down to watch the inauguration, fully expecting violence. These people lack empathy, and they’re still dangerous.

Maru Kitteh

(28,343 posts)
108. I don't see any actual tears. She makes motions like she's wiping tears but
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:32 PM
Jan 2021

I don't see any water. She makes sounds like she bawling but they seem faked to me. The sounds she's making should be accompanied by a bunch of ugly snot requiring tissues.


Not buying it lady.



appmanga

(584 posts)
117. Quite simply, the plan was...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:47 PM
Jan 2021

...to separate suckers from their cash. I'll guarantee some of the same people who were pumping out the idiot piss of incoherence to easily manipulated dimwits were behind the manufacture of t-shirts, banners, flags, and other accoutrements of identity for the gullible folks who went down this ridiculous rabbit hole. They got rich(er) off delusional chumps. They understood a timeless business model that has yet to fail: a fool and their money are soon parted.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
119. It reads like a near-future dystopian novel.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jan 2021

One written by a 15-year old who hasn't even read many books and considers a quiz question that asks for a reasoned conclusion in 100-150 words is "writing."

"If I could draw, I'd turn this into a graphic novel. I didn't know how many words this was going to take, and even a page or two is very, very hard."

Ford_Prefect

(7,923 posts)
123. Awwww, poor baby. Ask uncle Vladi for the answers about why, and who, and what for it all happened.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 01:13 PM
Jan 2021

I am certain he knows those answers.

RichardRay

(2,611 posts)
128. Compassion for suffering...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 01:30 PM
Jan 2021

...does not preclude seeing suffering’s causes. The real assholes are the twisted minds behind the entire Q phenomenon.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
132. I'm thinking the one who calls themself "Poe_zlaw" might not be genuine.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 03:19 PM
Jan 2021

YMMV, but if you reference poe's law in your user name and then write something stupid, I'm going to assume you are a parody account.

The woman crying and asking Trump to "save us from satan" and Biden's "crazy flag" is just sad.

BComplex

(8,069 posts)
133. That video. Holy shit.
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 03:50 PM
Jan 2021

Truth is, you stupid stupid woman...God, with a whole lot of help from Stacey Abrams and 81 million American voters, DID save us....from trump....and from really stupid people like you.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
134. It's only today that I learned that these people believed something would, indeed...
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 03:53 PM
Jan 2021

... happen to prevent the Biden takeover. Amazing! But good, in a way, because the Biden presidency is a fact they can't deny.

peggysue2

(10,843 posts)
137. The post asks one important question
Thu Jan 21, 2021, 04:44 PM
Jan 2021

What was the point? My answer would be to increase polarization, suspicion and hate. This worked for the insurrectionist/sovereign citizen groups who want the perks of the country but none of the accountability or responsibility. White nationalists are reportedly combing these shocked and disillusioned Q-members attempting to seduce them into their own groups of racists and haters. Some will undoubtedly sign on because the community, regardless of how hateful and outrageous, is part of the seduction.

But for the woman in the video some have been driven straight into fanatic madness.

It's frightening what Qanon has done to a portion of the American public. They tapped into the underlying fear and bigotry that exists in about 35-40% of the white population and driven that into a frenzy of victimhood and a hunger for violent retaliation. The Awakening was all about retribution of purported crimes against humanity--global pedophilia rings, communism, Satan worship. The list goes on and on. How and why Donald Trump was designated as a Savior of anything defies reason.

They played the game. The game ultimately played them.

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